How can i find a inverse of a polynomial in a quotient ring?
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I am asked to find the inverse of $widehat {x^3+1} $ in Q/[x]/I where I = $x^2-2$.
I am used to find the inverse by keep doing the division until a find a irreducible elements but the degree of the polynomial i asked to find the inverse is larger than the degree of polynomial in I.
In previous question, we have calculated the inverse of $widehat {X} $ which is $1/2$(X). And i am trying to breaking down $X^3 - 1 $ into $X(X^2-2)$ + $(2X+1)$. Is this bit some hints to approach this question or is it a new idea to find the inverse with a polynomial of a larger degree?
Thanks a lot!!
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I am asked to find the inverse of $widehat {x^3+1} $ in Q/[x]/I where I = $x^2-2$.
I am used to find the inverse by keep doing the division until a find a irreducible elements but the degree of the polynomial i asked to find the inverse is larger than the degree of polynomial in I.
In previous question, we have calculated the inverse of $widehat {X} $ which is $1/2$(X). And i am trying to breaking down $X^3 - 1 $ into $X(X^2-2)$ + $(2X+1)$. Is this bit some hints to approach this question or is it a new idea to find the inverse with a polynomial of a larger degree?
Thanks a lot!!
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This is more or less the same as computing $1/((sqrt2)^3+1)$ in surds.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
6 hours ago
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Your calculation (breaking down $x^3+1$) shows that $widehat{x^3+1}=widehat{2x+1}$. Go from there.
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– Jyrki Lahtonen
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I am asked to find the inverse of $widehat {x^3+1} $ in Q/[x]/I where I = $x^2-2$.
I am used to find the inverse by keep doing the division until a find a irreducible elements but the degree of the polynomial i asked to find the inverse is larger than the degree of polynomial in I.
In previous question, we have calculated the inverse of $widehat {X} $ which is $1/2$(X). And i am trying to breaking down $X^3 - 1 $ into $X(X^2-2)$ + $(2X+1)$. Is this bit some hints to approach this question or is it a new idea to find the inverse with a polynomial of a larger degree?
Thanks a lot!!
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I am asked to find the inverse of $widehat {x^3+1} $ in Q/[x]/I where I = $x^2-2$.
I am used to find the inverse by keep doing the division until a find a irreducible elements but the degree of the polynomial i asked to find the inverse is larger than the degree of polynomial in I.
In previous question, we have calculated the inverse of $widehat {X} $ which is $1/2$(X). And i am trying to breaking down $X^3 - 1 $ into $X(X^2-2)$ + $(2X+1)$. Is this bit some hints to approach this question or is it a new idea to find the inverse with a polynomial of a larger degree?
Thanks a lot!!
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This is more or less the same as computing $1/((sqrt2)^3+1)$ in surds.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
6 hours ago
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Your calculation (breaking down $x^3+1$) shows that $widehat{x^3+1}=widehat{2x+1}$. Go from there.
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– Jyrki Lahtonen
5 hours ago
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1
$begingroup$
This is more or less the same as computing $1/((sqrt2)^3+1)$ in surds.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
6 hours ago
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Your calculation (breaking down $x^3+1$) shows that $widehat{x^3+1}=widehat{2x+1}$. Go from there.
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– Jyrki Lahtonen
5 hours ago
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1
$begingroup$
This is more or less the same as computing $1/((sqrt2)^3+1)$ in surds.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
6 hours ago
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This is more or less the same as computing $1/((sqrt2)^3+1)$ in surds.
$endgroup$
– Lord Shark the Unknown
6 hours ago
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Your calculation (breaking down $x^3+1$) shows that $widehat{x^3+1}=widehat{2x+1}$. Go from there.
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– Jyrki Lahtonen
5 hours ago
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Your calculation (breaking down $x^3+1$) shows that $widehat{x^3+1}=widehat{2x+1}$. Go from there.
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– Jyrki Lahtonen
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Hint $ color{#c00}{x^2 = 2} Rightarrow dfrac{1}{1+color{#c00}{x^2} x} ,=, dfrac{1}{1+color{#c00}2x} = dfrac{1}{1+2color{#c00}x}, dfrac{1-2x}{1-2color{#c00}x} = dfrac{1,-,2x }{1-4(color{#c00}2)}$
i.e. $ $ rationalize the denom of $, dfrac{1}{1+2sqrt{2}}.,$ More generally, use the Extended Euclidean Algorithm.
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Applying the generalized Euclidean algotithm to $x^3+1$ and to $x^2-2$, you get that$$-frac74=left(frac{x^2}2-frac x4+1right)(x^2-2)-left(frac x2-frac14right)(x^3+1).$$Therefore,$$left(-frac{2x^2}7+frac x7-frac47right)(x^2-2)+left(frac{2x}7-frac17right)(x^3+1)=1$$and so the inverse of $x^3+1$ in $mathbb{Q}[x]/langle x^2-2rangle$ is $dfrac{2x}7-dfrac17$.
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extended Euc:
$$ left( x^{3} + 1 right) $$
$$ left( x^{2} - 2 right) $$
$$ left( x^{3} + 1 right) = left( x^{2} - 2 right) cdot color{magenta}{ left( x right) } + left( 2 x + 1 right) $$
$$ left( x^{2} - 2 right) = left( 2 x + 1 right) cdot color{magenta}{ left( frac{ 2 x - 1 }{ 4 } right) } + left( frac{ -7}{4 } right) $$
$$ left( 2 x + 1 right) = left( frac{ -7}{4 } right) cdot color{magenta}{ left( frac{ - 8 x - 4 }{ 7 } right) } + left( 0 right) $$
$$ frac{ 0}{1} $$
$$ frac{ 1}{0} $$
$$ color{magenta}{ left( x right) } Longrightarrow Longrightarrow frac{ left( x right) }{ left( 1 right) } $$
$$ color{magenta}{ left( frac{ 2 x - 1 }{ 4 } right) } Longrightarrow Longrightarrow frac{ left( frac{ 2 x^{2} - x + 4 }{ 4 } right) }{ left( frac{ 2 x - 1 }{ 4 } right) } $$
$$ color{magenta}{ left( frac{ - 8 x - 4 }{ 7 } right) } Longrightarrow Longrightarrow frac{ left( frac{ - 4 x^{3} - 4 }{ 7 } right) }{ left( frac{ - 4 x^{2} + 8 }{ 7 } right) } $$
$$ left( x^{3} + 1 right) left( frac{ 2 x - 1 }{ 7 } right) - left( x^{2} - 2 right) left( frac{ 2 x^{2} - x + 4 }{ 7 } right) = left( 1 right) $$
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If one insists on using the longer way of the extended Euclidean algorithm, then it is much clearer & simpler to use it in the augmented matrix form.
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– Bill Dubuque
4 hours ago
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@BillDubuque I am very fond of continued fractions, and was delighted to learn Bezout for (rational) polynomials could also be done that way. Matter of taste, I guess, or of effort invested.
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– Will Jagy
4 hours ago
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Hint $ color{#c00}{x^2 = 2} Rightarrow dfrac{1}{1+color{#c00}{x^2} x} ,=, dfrac{1}{1+color{#c00}2x} = dfrac{1}{1+2color{#c00}x}, dfrac{1-2x}{1-2color{#c00}x} = dfrac{1,-,2x }{1-4(color{#c00}2)}$
i.e. $ $ rationalize the denom of $, dfrac{1}{1+2sqrt{2}}.,$ More generally, use the Extended Euclidean Algorithm.
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Hint $ color{#c00}{x^2 = 2} Rightarrow dfrac{1}{1+color{#c00}{x^2} x} ,=, dfrac{1}{1+color{#c00}2x} = dfrac{1}{1+2color{#c00}x}, dfrac{1-2x}{1-2color{#c00}x} = dfrac{1,-,2x }{1-4(color{#c00}2)}$
i.e. $ $ rationalize the denom of $, dfrac{1}{1+2sqrt{2}}.,$ More generally, use the Extended Euclidean Algorithm.
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Hint $ color{#c00}{x^2 = 2} Rightarrow dfrac{1}{1+color{#c00}{x^2} x} ,=, dfrac{1}{1+color{#c00}2x} = dfrac{1}{1+2color{#c00}x}, dfrac{1-2x}{1-2color{#c00}x} = dfrac{1,-,2x }{1-4(color{#c00}2)}$
i.e. $ $ rationalize the denom of $, dfrac{1}{1+2sqrt{2}}.,$ More generally, use the Extended Euclidean Algorithm.
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Hint $ color{#c00}{x^2 = 2} Rightarrow dfrac{1}{1+color{#c00}{x^2} x} ,=, dfrac{1}{1+color{#c00}2x} = dfrac{1}{1+2color{#c00}x}, dfrac{1-2x}{1-2color{#c00}x} = dfrac{1,-,2x }{1-4(color{#c00}2)}$
i.e. $ $ rationalize the denom of $, dfrac{1}{1+2sqrt{2}}.,$ More generally, use the Extended Euclidean Algorithm.
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Applying the generalized Euclidean algotithm to $x^3+1$ and to $x^2-2$, you get that$$-frac74=left(frac{x^2}2-frac x4+1right)(x^2-2)-left(frac x2-frac14right)(x^3+1).$$Therefore,$$left(-frac{2x^2}7+frac x7-frac47right)(x^2-2)+left(frac{2x}7-frac17right)(x^3+1)=1$$and so the inverse of $x^3+1$ in $mathbb{Q}[x]/langle x^2-2rangle$ is $dfrac{2x}7-dfrac17$.
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Applying the generalized Euclidean algotithm to $x^3+1$ and to $x^2-2$, you get that$$-frac74=left(frac{x^2}2-frac x4+1right)(x^2-2)-left(frac x2-frac14right)(x^3+1).$$Therefore,$$left(-frac{2x^2}7+frac x7-frac47right)(x^2-2)+left(frac{2x}7-frac17right)(x^3+1)=1$$and so the inverse of $x^3+1$ in $mathbb{Q}[x]/langle x^2-2rangle$ is $dfrac{2x}7-dfrac17$.
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Applying the generalized Euclidean algotithm to $x^3+1$ and to $x^2-2$, you get that$$-frac74=left(frac{x^2}2-frac x4+1right)(x^2-2)-left(frac x2-frac14right)(x^3+1).$$Therefore,$$left(-frac{2x^2}7+frac x7-frac47right)(x^2-2)+left(frac{2x}7-frac17right)(x^3+1)=1$$and so the inverse of $x^3+1$ in $mathbb{Q}[x]/langle x^2-2rangle$ is $dfrac{2x}7-dfrac17$.
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Applying the generalized Euclidean algotithm to $x^3+1$ and to $x^2-2$, you get that$$-frac74=left(frac{x^2}2-frac x4+1right)(x^2-2)-left(frac x2-frac14right)(x^3+1).$$Therefore,$$left(-frac{2x^2}7+frac x7-frac47right)(x^2-2)+left(frac{2x}7-frac17right)(x^3+1)=1$$and so the inverse of $x^3+1$ in $mathbb{Q}[x]/langle x^2-2rangle$ is $dfrac{2x}7-dfrac17$.
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José Carlos SantosJosé Carlos Santos
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extended Euc:
$$ left( x^{3} + 1 right) $$
$$ left( x^{2} - 2 right) $$
$$ left( x^{3} + 1 right) = left( x^{2} - 2 right) cdot color{magenta}{ left( x right) } + left( 2 x + 1 right) $$
$$ left( x^{2} - 2 right) = left( 2 x + 1 right) cdot color{magenta}{ left( frac{ 2 x - 1 }{ 4 } right) } + left( frac{ -7}{4 } right) $$
$$ left( 2 x + 1 right) = left( frac{ -7}{4 } right) cdot color{magenta}{ left( frac{ - 8 x - 4 }{ 7 } right) } + left( 0 right) $$
$$ frac{ 0}{1} $$
$$ frac{ 1}{0} $$
$$ color{magenta}{ left( x right) } Longrightarrow Longrightarrow frac{ left( x right) }{ left( 1 right) } $$
$$ color{magenta}{ left( frac{ 2 x - 1 }{ 4 } right) } Longrightarrow Longrightarrow frac{ left( frac{ 2 x^{2} - x + 4 }{ 4 } right) }{ left( frac{ 2 x - 1 }{ 4 } right) } $$
$$ color{magenta}{ left( frac{ - 8 x - 4 }{ 7 } right) } Longrightarrow Longrightarrow frac{ left( frac{ - 4 x^{3} - 4 }{ 7 } right) }{ left( frac{ - 4 x^{2} + 8 }{ 7 } right) } $$
$$ left( x^{3} + 1 right) left( frac{ 2 x - 1 }{ 7 } right) - left( x^{2} - 2 right) left( frac{ 2 x^{2} - x + 4 }{ 7 } right) = left( 1 right) $$
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If one insists on using the longer way of the extended Euclidean algorithm, then it is much clearer & simpler to use it in the augmented matrix form.
$endgroup$
– Bill Dubuque
4 hours ago
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@BillDubuque I am very fond of continued fractions, and was delighted to learn Bezout for (rational) polynomials could also be done that way. Matter of taste, I guess, or of effort invested.
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– Will Jagy
4 hours ago
add a comment |
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extended Euc:
$$ left( x^{3} + 1 right) $$
$$ left( x^{2} - 2 right) $$
$$ left( x^{3} + 1 right) = left( x^{2} - 2 right) cdot color{magenta}{ left( x right) } + left( 2 x + 1 right) $$
$$ left( x^{2} - 2 right) = left( 2 x + 1 right) cdot color{magenta}{ left( frac{ 2 x - 1 }{ 4 } right) } + left( frac{ -7}{4 } right) $$
$$ left( 2 x + 1 right) = left( frac{ -7}{4 } right) cdot color{magenta}{ left( frac{ - 8 x - 4 }{ 7 } right) } + left( 0 right) $$
$$ frac{ 0}{1} $$
$$ frac{ 1}{0} $$
$$ color{magenta}{ left( x right) } Longrightarrow Longrightarrow frac{ left( x right) }{ left( 1 right) } $$
$$ color{magenta}{ left( frac{ 2 x - 1 }{ 4 } right) } Longrightarrow Longrightarrow frac{ left( frac{ 2 x^{2} - x + 4 }{ 4 } right) }{ left( frac{ 2 x - 1 }{ 4 } right) } $$
$$ color{magenta}{ left( frac{ - 8 x - 4 }{ 7 } right) } Longrightarrow Longrightarrow frac{ left( frac{ - 4 x^{3} - 4 }{ 7 } right) }{ left( frac{ - 4 x^{2} + 8 }{ 7 } right) } $$
$$ left( x^{3} + 1 right) left( frac{ 2 x - 1 }{ 7 } right) - left( x^{2} - 2 right) left( frac{ 2 x^{2} - x + 4 }{ 7 } right) = left( 1 right) $$
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
If one insists on using the longer way of the extended Euclidean algorithm, then it is much clearer & simpler to use it in the augmented matrix form.
$endgroup$
– Bill Dubuque
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@BillDubuque I am very fond of continued fractions, and was delighted to learn Bezout for (rational) polynomials could also be done that way. Matter of taste, I guess, or of effort invested.
$endgroup$
– Will Jagy
4 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
extended Euc:
$$ left( x^{3} + 1 right) $$
$$ left( x^{2} - 2 right) $$
$$ left( x^{3} + 1 right) = left( x^{2} - 2 right) cdot color{magenta}{ left( x right) } + left( 2 x + 1 right) $$
$$ left( x^{2} - 2 right) = left( 2 x + 1 right) cdot color{magenta}{ left( frac{ 2 x - 1 }{ 4 } right) } + left( frac{ -7}{4 } right) $$
$$ left( 2 x + 1 right) = left( frac{ -7}{4 } right) cdot color{magenta}{ left( frac{ - 8 x - 4 }{ 7 } right) } + left( 0 right) $$
$$ frac{ 0}{1} $$
$$ frac{ 1}{0} $$
$$ color{magenta}{ left( x right) } Longrightarrow Longrightarrow frac{ left( x right) }{ left( 1 right) } $$
$$ color{magenta}{ left( frac{ 2 x - 1 }{ 4 } right) } Longrightarrow Longrightarrow frac{ left( frac{ 2 x^{2} - x + 4 }{ 4 } right) }{ left( frac{ 2 x - 1 }{ 4 } right) } $$
$$ color{magenta}{ left( frac{ - 8 x - 4 }{ 7 } right) } Longrightarrow Longrightarrow frac{ left( frac{ - 4 x^{3} - 4 }{ 7 } right) }{ left( frac{ - 4 x^{2} + 8 }{ 7 } right) } $$
$$ left( x^{3} + 1 right) left( frac{ 2 x - 1 }{ 7 } right) - left( x^{2} - 2 right) left( frac{ 2 x^{2} - x + 4 }{ 7 } right) = left( 1 right) $$
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extended Euc:
$$ left( x^{3} + 1 right) $$
$$ left( x^{2} - 2 right) $$
$$ left( x^{3} + 1 right) = left( x^{2} - 2 right) cdot color{magenta}{ left( x right) } + left( 2 x + 1 right) $$
$$ left( x^{2} - 2 right) = left( 2 x + 1 right) cdot color{magenta}{ left( frac{ 2 x - 1 }{ 4 } right) } + left( frac{ -7}{4 } right) $$
$$ left( 2 x + 1 right) = left( frac{ -7}{4 } right) cdot color{magenta}{ left( frac{ - 8 x - 4 }{ 7 } right) } + left( 0 right) $$
$$ frac{ 0}{1} $$
$$ frac{ 1}{0} $$
$$ color{magenta}{ left( x right) } Longrightarrow Longrightarrow frac{ left( x right) }{ left( 1 right) } $$
$$ color{magenta}{ left( frac{ 2 x - 1 }{ 4 } right) } Longrightarrow Longrightarrow frac{ left( frac{ 2 x^{2} - x + 4 }{ 4 } right) }{ left( frac{ 2 x - 1 }{ 4 } right) } $$
$$ color{magenta}{ left( frac{ - 8 x - 4 }{ 7 } right) } Longrightarrow Longrightarrow frac{ left( frac{ - 4 x^{3} - 4 }{ 7 } right) }{ left( frac{ - 4 x^{2} + 8 }{ 7 } right) } $$
$$ left( x^{3} + 1 right) left( frac{ 2 x - 1 }{ 7 } right) - left( x^{2} - 2 right) left( frac{ 2 x^{2} - x + 4 }{ 7 } right) = left( 1 right) $$
answered 5 hours ago
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If one insists on using the longer way of the extended Euclidean algorithm, then it is much clearer & simpler to use it in the augmented matrix form.
$endgroup$
– Bill Dubuque
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@BillDubuque I am very fond of continued fractions, and was delighted to learn Bezout for (rational) polynomials could also be done that way. Matter of taste, I guess, or of effort invested.
$endgroup$
– Will Jagy
4 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
If one insists on using the longer way of the extended Euclidean algorithm, then it is much clearer & simpler to use it in the augmented matrix form.
$endgroup$
– Bill Dubuque
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@BillDubuque I am very fond of continued fractions, and was delighted to learn Bezout for (rational) polynomials could also be done that way. Matter of taste, I guess, or of effort invested.
$endgroup$
– Will Jagy
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
If one insists on using the longer way of the extended Euclidean algorithm, then it is much clearer & simpler to use it in the augmented matrix form.
$endgroup$
– Bill Dubuque
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
If one insists on using the longer way of the extended Euclidean algorithm, then it is much clearer & simpler to use it in the augmented matrix form.
$endgroup$
– Bill Dubuque
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@BillDubuque I am very fond of continued fractions, and was delighted to learn Bezout for (rational) polynomials could also be done that way. Matter of taste, I guess, or of effort invested.
$endgroup$
– Will Jagy
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@BillDubuque I am very fond of continued fractions, and was delighted to learn Bezout for (rational) polynomials could also be done that way. Matter of taste, I guess, or of effort invested.
$endgroup$
– Will Jagy
4 hours ago
add a comment |
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This is more or less the same as computing $1/((sqrt2)^3+1)$ in surds.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
6 hours ago
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Your calculation (breaking down $x^3+1$) shows that $widehat{x^3+1}=widehat{2x+1}$. Go from there.
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– Jyrki Lahtonen
5 hours ago