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Johnny the Magnificent died to a monster in a dungeon wearing a ring of mind shielding. His soul entered the ring and there he lived for centuries. Now Jack the Rookie picked up the ring.



What can Johnny do from inside the ring besides talking to Jack or departing to the afterlife? Is it considered an intelligent item?










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What can Johnny do from inside the ring besides talking to Jack or departing to the afterlife? Is it considered an intelligent item?







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  • Might be worth blockquoting what exactly a ring of mindshielding does for us ignorant to its effects or laziness to look it up :)
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Might be worth blockquoting what exactly a ring of mindshielding does for us ignorant to its effects or laziness to look it up :)
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Might be worth blockquoting what exactly a ring of mindshielding does for us ignorant to its effects or laziness to look it up :)
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Johnny can only do exactly what the description says he can do. Which is communicate telepathically with any creature wearing the ring or depart for the afterlife.



On your question about whether its an intelligent item: It is not quite the same as the 'sentient items' described in the DMG as it is the soul within the ring that is intelligent rather than the item itself, though many sentient items blur this line since their power often comes from a soul trapped within it.



It's the subtle difference between an existing magic item that just happens to contain a soul, and an item (typically unique) that either gained sentience by virtue of a powerful enchantment or gained it's actual power because it trapped a soul.



However, the question is moot (unless you have a situation that proves otherwise), since the soul in this case can't do anything other than what is described and doesn't have any other power over the wearer so there is no need to provide other stats etc.






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    So, what you're saying is that Johnny can't do Jack? ;)
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  • could Johnny convince or trick Jack into returning him to life as his soul still exists?
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  • @Reed worth a question. But of course yes he can, as you can persuade him indefinitely until he unequip the ring. The telepathy cannot be prevented.
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Johnny can only do what the description says. He can communicate telepathically or depart for the afterlife.



In a few cases, communication is sufficient to do things. I mean, you could teach Jack about an ancient earbug song. Or you could mislead Jack into entering a Lich's trap in exchange for the Lich helping you get a body.



There is even the UA Diplomat feat that grants you the ability to charm someone by talking to them; telepathic communication would count as talking in any reasonable sense. Charming doesn't do much here, other than grant you advantage of further social skill checks and make Jack unable to harm you (charm in 5e isn't charm from 3e, it is highly limited). Similarly, you could perform a song using Performer and distract Jack with a disadvantage on Insight and Perception checks.



If worn by an animal, the Animal Handler feat (from the same UA) would let you command the beast. Your inability to see what is going on makes this less than useful, however.



Johnny has no ability to cast spells, no ability to maintain concentration or do actions (the Diplomat ability isn't an action, however). Anything that isn't an action and can be done by talking or communicating with someone can by done by Johnny, and only on Jack.






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    Johnny can only do exactly what the description says he can do. Which is communicate telepathically with any creature wearing the ring or depart for the afterlife.



    On your question about whether its an intelligent item: It is not quite the same as the 'sentient items' described in the DMG as it is the soul within the ring that is intelligent rather than the item itself, though many sentient items blur this line since their power often comes from a soul trapped within it.



    It's the subtle difference between an existing magic item that just happens to contain a soul, and an item (typically unique) that either gained sentience by virtue of a powerful enchantment or gained it's actual power because it trapped a soul.



    However, the question is moot (unless you have a situation that proves otherwise), since the soul in this case can't do anything other than what is described and doesn't have any other power over the wearer so there is no need to provide other stats etc.






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    • There's no need to mark your edits. We have a very robust version history system if we want to go back and see what was changed. The expectation is that every edit is blended into the old one and thus each version is the best version of the answer. I've removed it for you so it's no problem, just FYI :)
      – Rubiksmoose
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      So, what you're saying is that Johnny can't do Jack? ;)
      – Rubiksmoose
      Dec 11 at 17:58










    • could Johnny convince or trick Jack into returning him to life as his soul still exists?
      – Reed
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    • @Reed worth a question. But of course yes he can, as you can persuade him indefinitely until he unequip the ring. The telepathy cannot be prevented.
      – Vylix
      Dec 12 at 3:20















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    Johnny can only do exactly what the description says he can do. Which is communicate telepathically with any creature wearing the ring or depart for the afterlife.



    On your question about whether its an intelligent item: It is not quite the same as the 'sentient items' described in the DMG as it is the soul within the ring that is intelligent rather than the item itself, though many sentient items blur this line since their power often comes from a soul trapped within it.



    It's the subtle difference between an existing magic item that just happens to contain a soul, and an item (typically unique) that either gained sentience by virtue of a powerful enchantment or gained it's actual power because it trapped a soul.



    However, the question is moot (unless you have a situation that proves otherwise), since the soul in this case can't do anything other than what is described and doesn't have any other power over the wearer so there is no need to provide other stats etc.






    share|improve this answer























    • There's no need to mark your edits. We have a very robust version history system if we want to go back and see what was changed. The expectation is that every edit is blended into the old one and thus each version is the best version of the answer. I've removed it for you so it's no problem, just FYI :)
      – Rubiksmoose
      Dec 11 at 17:39








    • 6




      So, what you're saying is that Johnny can't do Jack? ;)
      – Rubiksmoose
      Dec 11 at 17:58










    • could Johnny convince or trick Jack into returning him to life as his soul still exists?
      – Reed
      Dec 11 at 21:59










    • @Reed worth a question. But of course yes he can, as you can persuade him indefinitely until he unequip the ring. The telepathy cannot be prevented.
      – Vylix
      Dec 12 at 3:20













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    Johnny can only do exactly what the description says he can do. Which is communicate telepathically with any creature wearing the ring or depart for the afterlife.



    On your question about whether its an intelligent item: It is not quite the same as the 'sentient items' described in the DMG as it is the soul within the ring that is intelligent rather than the item itself, though many sentient items blur this line since their power often comes from a soul trapped within it.



    It's the subtle difference between an existing magic item that just happens to contain a soul, and an item (typically unique) that either gained sentience by virtue of a powerful enchantment or gained it's actual power because it trapped a soul.



    However, the question is moot (unless you have a situation that proves otherwise), since the soul in this case can't do anything other than what is described and doesn't have any other power over the wearer so there is no need to provide other stats etc.






    share|improve this answer














    Johnny can only do exactly what the description says he can do. Which is communicate telepathically with any creature wearing the ring or depart for the afterlife.



    On your question about whether its an intelligent item: It is not quite the same as the 'sentient items' described in the DMG as it is the soul within the ring that is intelligent rather than the item itself, though many sentient items blur this line since their power often comes from a soul trapped within it.



    It's the subtle difference between an existing magic item that just happens to contain a soul, and an item (typically unique) that either gained sentience by virtue of a powerful enchantment or gained it's actual power because it trapped a soul.



    However, the question is moot (unless you have a situation that proves otherwise), since the soul in this case can't do anything other than what is described and doesn't have any other power over the wearer so there is no need to provide other stats etc.







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    • There's no need to mark your edits. We have a very robust version history system if we want to go back and see what was changed. The expectation is that every edit is blended into the old one and thus each version is the best version of the answer. I've removed it for you so it's no problem, just FYI :)
      – Rubiksmoose
      Dec 11 at 17:39








    • 6




      So, what you're saying is that Johnny can't do Jack? ;)
      – Rubiksmoose
      Dec 11 at 17:58










    • could Johnny convince or trick Jack into returning him to life as his soul still exists?
      – Reed
      Dec 11 at 21:59










    • @Reed worth a question. But of course yes he can, as you can persuade him indefinitely until he unequip the ring. The telepathy cannot be prevented.
      – Vylix
      Dec 12 at 3:20


















    • There's no need to mark your edits. We have a very robust version history system if we want to go back and see what was changed. The expectation is that every edit is blended into the old one and thus each version is the best version of the answer. I've removed it for you so it's no problem, just FYI :)
      – Rubiksmoose
      Dec 11 at 17:39








    • 6




      So, what you're saying is that Johnny can't do Jack? ;)
      – Rubiksmoose
      Dec 11 at 17:58










    • could Johnny convince or trick Jack into returning him to life as his soul still exists?
      – Reed
      Dec 11 at 21:59










    • @Reed worth a question. But of course yes he can, as you can persuade him indefinitely until he unequip the ring. The telepathy cannot be prevented.
      – Vylix
      Dec 12 at 3:20
















    There's no need to mark your edits. We have a very robust version history system if we want to go back and see what was changed. The expectation is that every edit is blended into the old one and thus each version is the best version of the answer. I've removed it for you so it's no problem, just FYI :)
    – Rubiksmoose
    Dec 11 at 17:39






    There's no need to mark your edits. We have a very robust version history system if we want to go back and see what was changed. The expectation is that every edit is blended into the old one and thus each version is the best version of the answer. I've removed it for you so it's no problem, just FYI :)
    – Rubiksmoose
    Dec 11 at 17:39






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    So, what you're saying is that Johnny can't do Jack? ;)
    – Rubiksmoose
    Dec 11 at 17:58




    So, what you're saying is that Johnny can't do Jack? ;)
    – Rubiksmoose
    Dec 11 at 17:58












    could Johnny convince or trick Jack into returning him to life as his soul still exists?
    – Reed
    Dec 11 at 21:59




    could Johnny convince or trick Jack into returning him to life as his soul still exists?
    – Reed
    Dec 11 at 21:59












    @Reed worth a question. But of course yes he can, as you can persuade him indefinitely until he unequip the ring. The telepathy cannot be prevented.
    – Vylix
    Dec 12 at 3:20




    @Reed worth a question. But of course yes he can, as you can persuade him indefinitely until he unequip the ring. The telepathy cannot be prevented.
    – Vylix
    Dec 12 at 3:20












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    Johnny can only do what the description says. He can communicate telepathically or depart for the afterlife.



    In a few cases, communication is sufficient to do things. I mean, you could teach Jack about an ancient earbug song. Or you could mislead Jack into entering a Lich's trap in exchange for the Lich helping you get a body.



    There is even the UA Diplomat feat that grants you the ability to charm someone by talking to them; telepathic communication would count as talking in any reasonable sense. Charming doesn't do much here, other than grant you advantage of further social skill checks and make Jack unable to harm you (charm in 5e isn't charm from 3e, it is highly limited). Similarly, you could perform a song using Performer and distract Jack with a disadvantage on Insight and Perception checks.



    If worn by an animal, the Animal Handler feat (from the same UA) would let you command the beast. Your inability to see what is going on makes this less than useful, however.



    Johnny has no ability to cast spells, no ability to maintain concentration or do actions (the Diplomat ability isn't an action, however). Anything that isn't an action and can be done by talking or communicating with someone can by done by Johnny, and only on Jack.






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      Johnny can only do what the description says. He can communicate telepathically or depart for the afterlife.



      In a few cases, communication is sufficient to do things. I mean, you could teach Jack about an ancient earbug song. Or you could mislead Jack into entering a Lich's trap in exchange for the Lich helping you get a body.



      There is even the UA Diplomat feat that grants you the ability to charm someone by talking to them; telepathic communication would count as talking in any reasonable sense. Charming doesn't do much here, other than grant you advantage of further social skill checks and make Jack unable to harm you (charm in 5e isn't charm from 3e, it is highly limited). Similarly, you could perform a song using Performer and distract Jack with a disadvantage on Insight and Perception checks.



      If worn by an animal, the Animal Handler feat (from the same UA) would let you command the beast. Your inability to see what is going on makes this less than useful, however.



      Johnny has no ability to cast spells, no ability to maintain concentration or do actions (the Diplomat ability isn't an action, however). Anything that isn't an action and can be done by talking or communicating with someone can by done by Johnny, and only on Jack.






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        Johnny can only do what the description says. He can communicate telepathically or depart for the afterlife.



        In a few cases, communication is sufficient to do things. I mean, you could teach Jack about an ancient earbug song. Or you could mislead Jack into entering a Lich's trap in exchange for the Lich helping you get a body.



        There is even the UA Diplomat feat that grants you the ability to charm someone by talking to them; telepathic communication would count as talking in any reasonable sense. Charming doesn't do much here, other than grant you advantage of further social skill checks and make Jack unable to harm you (charm in 5e isn't charm from 3e, it is highly limited). Similarly, you could perform a song using Performer and distract Jack with a disadvantage on Insight and Perception checks.



        If worn by an animal, the Animal Handler feat (from the same UA) would let you command the beast. Your inability to see what is going on makes this less than useful, however.



        Johnny has no ability to cast spells, no ability to maintain concentration or do actions (the Diplomat ability isn't an action, however). Anything that isn't an action and can be done by talking or communicating with someone can by done by Johnny, and only on Jack.






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        Johnny can only do what the description says. He can communicate telepathically or depart for the afterlife.



        In a few cases, communication is sufficient to do things. I mean, you could teach Jack about an ancient earbug song. Or you could mislead Jack into entering a Lich's trap in exchange for the Lich helping you get a body.



        There is even the UA Diplomat feat that grants you the ability to charm someone by talking to them; telepathic communication would count as talking in any reasonable sense. Charming doesn't do much here, other than grant you advantage of further social skill checks and make Jack unable to harm you (charm in 5e isn't charm from 3e, it is highly limited). Similarly, you could perform a song using Performer and distract Jack with a disadvantage on Insight and Perception checks.



        If worn by an animal, the Animal Handler feat (from the same UA) would let you command the beast. Your inability to see what is going on makes this less than useful, however.



        Johnny has no ability to cast spells, no ability to maintain concentration or do actions (the Diplomat ability isn't an action, however). Anything that isn't an action and can be done by talking or communicating with someone can by done by Johnny, and only on Jack.







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