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I was recently considering how one could motivate studying abelian groups from the study of linear algebra, and I presumed that the multiplicative group of the complex numbers would be a good a example of an abelian group that is not a vector space. However, upon closer inspection it seems that perhaps it is a real vector space, with appropriate scalar multiplication.



In particular, consider the scalar multiplication $(lambda, z) mapsto z^{lambda}$. If our "vector addition" is actually complex multiplication, then this gives a two dimensional real vector space. However, this behaves quite a bit differently than ordinary finite-dimensional real vector spaces, in the sense that there exists nonzero $lambda$ and $z$ with $z^{lambda} = 1$ (which is the "zero" vector).



More generally, for many complex $z$ (e.g. roots of unity) there exists multiple distinct $lambda_{j}$ with $z^{lambda_{j}} = z^{lambda_{j'}}$ (e.g. for $n$-th roots, $lambda_{j} = j cdot n$).



In other words, at least on one subspace (the unit circle) the action does not seem to be faithful (sort of - on closer reflection this is not strictly true). This comes as a shock and suggests to me that perhaps this isn't a vector space and that there is something I am missing. It is my understanding that all finite dimensional vector spaces are isomorphic to $mathbb{R}^{n}$ for appropriate $n$, which does not seem to be the case here.



Thus my question: What I am missing here? Is there something that prevents a vector space from having this curious behavior, or is this actually a valid real vector space?



What I've looked at so far: it seems the only mention of this structure on MSE is this answer which says that, restricted to the positive reals under multiplication, it gives a vector space.










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    I was recently considering how one could motivate studying abelian groups from the study of linear algebra, and I presumed that the multiplicative group of the complex numbers would be a good a example of an abelian group that is not a vector space. However, upon closer inspection it seems that perhaps it is a real vector space, with appropriate scalar multiplication.



    In particular, consider the scalar multiplication $(lambda, z) mapsto z^{lambda}$. If our "vector addition" is actually complex multiplication, then this gives a two dimensional real vector space. However, this behaves quite a bit differently than ordinary finite-dimensional real vector spaces, in the sense that there exists nonzero $lambda$ and $z$ with $z^{lambda} = 1$ (which is the "zero" vector).



    More generally, for many complex $z$ (e.g. roots of unity) there exists multiple distinct $lambda_{j}$ with $z^{lambda_{j}} = z^{lambda_{j'}}$ (e.g. for $n$-th roots, $lambda_{j} = j cdot n$).



    In other words, at least on one subspace (the unit circle) the action does not seem to be faithful (sort of - on closer reflection this is not strictly true). This comes as a shock and suggests to me that perhaps this isn't a vector space and that there is something I am missing. It is my understanding that all finite dimensional vector spaces are isomorphic to $mathbb{R}^{n}$ for appropriate $n$, which does not seem to be the case here.



    Thus my question: What I am missing here? Is there something that prevents a vector space from having this curious behavior, or is this actually a valid real vector space?



    What I've looked at so far: it seems the only mention of this structure on MSE is this answer which says that, restricted to the positive reals under multiplication, it gives a vector space.










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      I was recently considering how one could motivate studying abelian groups from the study of linear algebra, and I presumed that the multiplicative group of the complex numbers would be a good a example of an abelian group that is not a vector space. However, upon closer inspection it seems that perhaps it is a real vector space, with appropriate scalar multiplication.



      In particular, consider the scalar multiplication $(lambda, z) mapsto z^{lambda}$. If our "vector addition" is actually complex multiplication, then this gives a two dimensional real vector space. However, this behaves quite a bit differently than ordinary finite-dimensional real vector spaces, in the sense that there exists nonzero $lambda$ and $z$ with $z^{lambda} = 1$ (which is the "zero" vector).



      More generally, for many complex $z$ (e.g. roots of unity) there exists multiple distinct $lambda_{j}$ with $z^{lambda_{j}} = z^{lambda_{j'}}$ (e.g. for $n$-th roots, $lambda_{j} = j cdot n$).



      In other words, at least on one subspace (the unit circle) the action does not seem to be faithful (sort of - on closer reflection this is not strictly true). This comes as a shock and suggests to me that perhaps this isn't a vector space and that there is something I am missing. It is my understanding that all finite dimensional vector spaces are isomorphic to $mathbb{R}^{n}$ for appropriate $n$, which does not seem to be the case here.



      Thus my question: What I am missing here? Is there something that prevents a vector space from having this curious behavior, or is this actually a valid real vector space?



      What I've looked at so far: it seems the only mention of this structure on MSE is this answer which says that, restricted to the positive reals under multiplication, it gives a vector space.










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      I was recently considering how one could motivate studying abelian groups from the study of linear algebra, and I presumed that the multiplicative group of the complex numbers would be a good a example of an abelian group that is not a vector space. However, upon closer inspection it seems that perhaps it is a real vector space, with appropriate scalar multiplication.



      In particular, consider the scalar multiplication $(lambda, z) mapsto z^{lambda}$. If our "vector addition" is actually complex multiplication, then this gives a two dimensional real vector space. However, this behaves quite a bit differently than ordinary finite-dimensional real vector spaces, in the sense that there exists nonzero $lambda$ and $z$ with $z^{lambda} = 1$ (which is the "zero" vector).



      More generally, for many complex $z$ (e.g. roots of unity) there exists multiple distinct $lambda_{j}$ with $z^{lambda_{j}} = z^{lambda_{j'}}$ (e.g. for $n$-th roots, $lambda_{j} = j cdot n$).



      In other words, at least on one subspace (the unit circle) the action does not seem to be faithful (sort of - on closer reflection this is not strictly true). This comes as a shock and suggests to me that perhaps this isn't a vector space and that there is something I am missing. It is my understanding that all finite dimensional vector spaces are isomorphic to $mathbb{R}^{n}$ for appropriate $n$, which does not seem to be the case here.



      Thus my question: What I am missing here? Is there something that prevents a vector space from having this curious behavior, or is this actually a valid real vector space?



      What I've looked at so far: it seems the only mention of this structure on MSE is this answer which says that, restricted to the positive reals under multiplication, it gives a vector space.







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          What you're looking for is the concept of a module over a ring $R$, which is an abelian group (written additively) together with compatible scalar multiplication by elements in $R$. You recover the notion of an abelian group by letting $R=mathbb Z$: an abelian group is the same thing as a $mathbb Z$-module. Vector spaces are modules over a field (or division ring).



          Vector spaces are extremely special modules. The backbone theorems of linear algebra are mostly false for modules over more general rings. Most modules don't have a basis, in the sense that it's almost never true that there is a subset such that all elements of the module are unique linear combinations of elements of the subset. In a sense, that's the most "boring" case.



          If a module does have a basis, then it's called a free module, and even then there's no need for a submodule of a free module to itself be free. This is true for abelian groups, but over more general rings it is not.



          A free module need not have a concept of "dimension" either. The size of a basis of a free module is called the "rank" of the module. In general, a free module of rank $n$ is isomorphic to $R^n$. However, the rank need not be unique! There are rings where $R^mcong R^n$ for all $m, ngeq 1$. Rings for which the rank is unique are said to have the invariant basis number property.



          Already with the simplest non free abelian groups, $mathbb Z/nmathbb Z$, we have nonzero elements $m$ of the module and nonzero ring elements $a$ such that $am=0$. Elements for which such an $a$ exists that is not a zero divisor are called torsion elements, and your example has lots of them (specifically, the roots of unity)
          . Even if a module is not free, it need not have torsion elements. For example, $mathbb Q$ is a torsion-free $mathbb Z$-module, but it is about as far from being a free module as you can get: any two free submodules of rank $1$ intersect each other nontrivially.



          Your group can be stripped to become a $mathbb Q$-vector space, and indeed an $mathbb R$-vector space. The group is the direct product $mathbb R^+times S^1$ when you decompose it into magnitude and direction. $S^1$, the unit circle, is what is making it fail to be a vector space, because the roots of unity are torsion elements and vector spaces can't have torsion. $mathbb R^+$ under multiplication is actually isomorphic to $mathbb R$ under addition via the exponential map $tmapsto e^t$, and multiplication by a scalar becomes exponentiation, so it is a vector space in this way.






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          • Thanks for the answer! This particular construction doesn't seem like it forms a module, however, since $a cdot (b cdot v) = (ab) cdot v$ doesn't always hold. But modules might actually be a good way to introduce abelian groups. Interesting thought!
            – Jacob Maibach
            Dec 23 at 20:57






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            @Jacob Being an abelian group, it's a module over $mathbb Z$, which is integer exponentiation. Since it has integer torsion, it can't possibly be a module over $mathbb Q$, no matter which roots you end up choosing.
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            Dec 23 at 20:59












          • @Jacob However, if you take out imaginary numbers and negative numbers, you're left with the positive real numbers under multiplication. This is indeed a module with rational exponentiation.
            – Matt Samuel
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          • Could you add/emphasize that point about why it can't be extended to a $mathbb{Q}$-module in your answer? I think that is exactly what I was looking for.
            – Jacob Maibach
            Dec 23 at 21:11










          • @Jacob See the edit.
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          Embarrassingly, the same question I linked has an answer explaining just this.



          Namely, for $z = i$, note that $(z^{4})^{1/2}$ is not equal to $z^{(4 cdot 1/2)} = z^{2}$. Why? Because $i^{4} = 1$ so $(i^{4})^{1/2} = 1^{1/2} =1$ which is quite distinct from $i^{2} = -1$. That is, the lack of uniqueness of square-roots (or roots more generally) in the complex numbers either prevents scalar multiplication from being well-defined, or it prevents it from satisfying the axiom that $a cdot (b cdot v) = (ab) cdot v$ (for scalars $a, b$ and vector $v$).



          Edit: Generalizing this gives a short proof that a vector space is torsion-free. Presume there exists a nonzero scalar $a$ and vector $v$ such that $a cdot v = 0$. Then note that
          $$ a^{-1} cdot (a cdot v) = (a^{-1}a) cdot v = v, $$
          yet also
          $$ a^{-1} cdot (a cdot v) = a^{-1} cdot 0 = 0. $$
          Therefore $v = 0$. More generally, this shows that scaling must be bijective. That is, for distinct scalars $a$ and $b$, and vector $v$ with $a cdot v = b cdot v$, we have $(a - b) cdot v = 0$ implying once again that $v = 0$.






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            What you're looking for is the concept of a module over a ring $R$, which is an abelian group (written additively) together with compatible scalar multiplication by elements in $R$. You recover the notion of an abelian group by letting $R=mathbb Z$: an abelian group is the same thing as a $mathbb Z$-module. Vector spaces are modules over a field (or division ring).



            Vector spaces are extremely special modules. The backbone theorems of linear algebra are mostly false for modules over more general rings. Most modules don't have a basis, in the sense that it's almost never true that there is a subset such that all elements of the module are unique linear combinations of elements of the subset. In a sense, that's the most "boring" case.



            If a module does have a basis, then it's called a free module, and even then there's no need for a submodule of a free module to itself be free. This is true for abelian groups, but over more general rings it is not.



            A free module need not have a concept of "dimension" either. The size of a basis of a free module is called the "rank" of the module. In general, a free module of rank $n$ is isomorphic to $R^n$. However, the rank need not be unique! There are rings where $R^mcong R^n$ for all $m, ngeq 1$. Rings for which the rank is unique are said to have the invariant basis number property.



            Already with the simplest non free abelian groups, $mathbb Z/nmathbb Z$, we have nonzero elements $m$ of the module and nonzero ring elements $a$ such that $am=0$. Elements for which such an $a$ exists that is not a zero divisor are called torsion elements, and your example has lots of them (specifically, the roots of unity)
            . Even if a module is not free, it need not have torsion elements. For example, $mathbb Q$ is a torsion-free $mathbb Z$-module, but it is about as far from being a free module as you can get: any two free submodules of rank $1$ intersect each other nontrivially.



            Your group can be stripped to become a $mathbb Q$-vector space, and indeed an $mathbb R$-vector space. The group is the direct product $mathbb R^+times S^1$ when you decompose it into magnitude and direction. $S^1$, the unit circle, is what is making it fail to be a vector space, because the roots of unity are torsion elements and vector spaces can't have torsion. $mathbb R^+$ under multiplication is actually isomorphic to $mathbb R$ under addition via the exponential map $tmapsto e^t$, and multiplication by a scalar becomes exponentiation, so it is a vector space in this way.






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            • Thanks for the answer! This particular construction doesn't seem like it forms a module, however, since $a cdot (b cdot v) = (ab) cdot v$ doesn't always hold. But modules might actually be a good way to introduce abelian groups. Interesting thought!
              – Jacob Maibach
              Dec 23 at 20:57






            • 1




              @Jacob Being an abelian group, it's a module over $mathbb Z$, which is integer exponentiation. Since it has integer torsion, it can't possibly be a module over $mathbb Q$, no matter which roots you end up choosing.
              – Matt Samuel
              Dec 23 at 20:59












            • @Jacob However, if you take out imaginary numbers and negative numbers, you're left with the positive real numbers under multiplication. This is indeed a module with rational exponentiation.
              – Matt Samuel
              Dec 23 at 21:02










            • Could you add/emphasize that point about why it can't be extended to a $mathbb{Q}$-module in your answer? I think that is exactly what I was looking for.
              – Jacob Maibach
              Dec 23 at 21:11










            • @Jacob See the edit.
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            What you're looking for is the concept of a module over a ring $R$, which is an abelian group (written additively) together with compatible scalar multiplication by elements in $R$. You recover the notion of an abelian group by letting $R=mathbb Z$: an abelian group is the same thing as a $mathbb Z$-module. Vector spaces are modules over a field (or division ring).



            Vector spaces are extremely special modules. The backbone theorems of linear algebra are mostly false for modules over more general rings. Most modules don't have a basis, in the sense that it's almost never true that there is a subset such that all elements of the module are unique linear combinations of elements of the subset. In a sense, that's the most "boring" case.



            If a module does have a basis, then it's called a free module, and even then there's no need for a submodule of a free module to itself be free. This is true for abelian groups, but over more general rings it is not.



            A free module need not have a concept of "dimension" either. The size of a basis of a free module is called the "rank" of the module. In general, a free module of rank $n$ is isomorphic to $R^n$. However, the rank need not be unique! There are rings where $R^mcong R^n$ for all $m, ngeq 1$. Rings for which the rank is unique are said to have the invariant basis number property.



            Already with the simplest non free abelian groups, $mathbb Z/nmathbb Z$, we have nonzero elements $m$ of the module and nonzero ring elements $a$ such that $am=0$. Elements for which such an $a$ exists that is not a zero divisor are called torsion elements, and your example has lots of them (specifically, the roots of unity)
            . Even if a module is not free, it need not have torsion elements. For example, $mathbb Q$ is a torsion-free $mathbb Z$-module, but it is about as far from being a free module as you can get: any two free submodules of rank $1$ intersect each other nontrivially.



            Your group can be stripped to become a $mathbb Q$-vector space, and indeed an $mathbb R$-vector space. The group is the direct product $mathbb R^+times S^1$ when you decompose it into magnitude and direction. $S^1$, the unit circle, is what is making it fail to be a vector space, because the roots of unity are torsion elements and vector spaces can't have torsion. $mathbb R^+$ under multiplication is actually isomorphic to $mathbb R$ under addition via the exponential map $tmapsto e^t$, and multiplication by a scalar becomes exponentiation, so it is a vector space in this way.






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            • Thanks for the answer! This particular construction doesn't seem like it forms a module, however, since $a cdot (b cdot v) = (ab) cdot v$ doesn't always hold. But modules might actually be a good way to introduce abelian groups. Interesting thought!
              – Jacob Maibach
              Dec 23 at 20:57






            • 1




              @Jacob Being an abelian group, it's a module over $mathbb Z$, which is integer exponentiation. Since it has integer torsion, it can't possibly be a module over $mathbb Q$, no matter which roots you end up choosing.
              – Matt Samuel
              Dec 23 at 20:59












            • @Jacob However, if you take out imaginary numbers and negative numbers, you're left with the positive real numbers under multiplication. This is indeed a module with rational exponentiation.
              – Matt Samuel
              Dec 23 at 21:02










            • Could you add/emphasize that point about why it can't be extended to a $mathbb{Q}$-module in your answer? I think that is exactly what I was looking for.
              – Jacob Maibach
              Dec 23 at 21:11










            • @Jacob See the edit.
              – Matt Samuel
              Dec 23 at 21:17














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            What you're looking for is the concept of a module over a ring $R$, which is an abelian group (written additively) together with compatible scalar multiplication by elements in $R$. You recover the notion of an abelian group by letting $R=mathbb Z$: an abelian group is the same thing as a $mathbb Z$-module. Vector spaces are modules over a field (or division ring).



            Vector spaces are extremely special modules. The backbone theorems of linear algebra are mostly false for modules over more general rings. Most modules don't have a basis, in the sense that it's almost never true that there is a subset such that all elements of the module are unique linear combinations of elements of the subset. In a sense, that's the most "boring" case.



            If a module does have a basis, then it's called a free module, and even then there's no need for a submodule of a free module to itself be free. This is true for abelian groups, but over more general rings it is not.



            A free module need not have a concept of "dimension" either. The size of a basis of a free module is called the "rank" of the module. In general, a free module of rank $n$ is isomorphic to $R^n$. However, the rank need not be unique! There are rings where $R^mcong R^n$ for all $m, ngeq 1$. Rings for which the rank is unique are said to have the invariant basis number property.



            Already with the simplest non free abelian groups, $mathbb Z/nmathbb Z$, we have nonzero elements $m$ of the module and nonzero ring elements $a$ such that $am=0$. Elements for which such an $a$ exists that is not a zero divisor are called torsion elements, and your example has lots of them (specifically, the roots of unity)
            . Even if a module is not free, it need not have torsion elements. For example, $mathbb Q$ is a torsion-free $mathbb Z$-module, but it is about as far from being a free module as you can get: any two free submodules of rank $1$ intersect each other nontrivially.



            Your group can be stripped to become a $mathbb Q$-vector space, and indeed an $mathbb R$-vector space. The group is the direct product $mathbb R^+times S^1$ when you decompose it into magnitude and direction. $S^1$, the unit circle, is what is making it fail to be a vector space, because the roots of unity are torsion elements and vector spaces can't have torsion. $mathbb R^+$ under multiplication is actually isomorphic to $mathbb R$ under addition via the exponential map $tmapsto e^t$, and multiplication by a scalar becomes exponentiation, so it is a vector space in this way.






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            What you're looking for is the concept of a module over a ring $R$, which is an abelian group (written additively) together with compatible scalar multiplication by elements in $R$. You recover the notion of an abelian group by letting $R=mathbb Z$: an abelian group is the same thing as a $mathbb Z$-module. Vector spaces are modules over a field (or division ring).



            Vector spaces are extremely special modules. The backbone theorems of linear algebra are mostly false for modules over more general rings. Most modules don't have a basis, in the sense that it's almost never true that there is a subset such that all elements of the module are unique linear combinations of elements of the subset. In a sense, that's the most "boring" case.



            If a module does have a basis, then it's called a free module, and even then there's no need for a submodule of a free module to itself be free. This is true for abelian groups, but over more general rings it is not.



            A free module need not have a concept of "dimension" either. The size of a basis of a free module is called the "rank" of the module. In general, a free module of rank $n$ is isomorphic to $R^n$. However, the rank need not be unique! There are rings where $R^mcong R^n$ for all $m, ngeq 1$. Rings for which the rank is unique are said to have the invariant basis number property.



            Already with the simplest non free abelian groups, $mathbb Z/nmathbb Z$, we have nonzero elements $m$ of the module and nonzero ring elements $a$ such that $am=0$. Elements for which such an $a$ exists that is not a zero divisor are called torsion elements, and your example has lots of them (specifically, the roots of unity)
            . Even if a module is not free, it need not have torsion elements. For example, $mathbb Q$ is a torsion-free $mathbb Z$-module, but it is about as far from being a free module as you can get: any two free submodules of rank $1$ intersect each other nontrivially.



            Your group can be stripped to become a $mathbb Q$-vector space, and indeed an $mathbb R$-vector space. The group is the direct product $mathbb R^+times S^1$ when you decompose it into magnitude and direction. $S^1$, the unit circle, is what is making it fail to be a vector space, because the roots of unity are torsion elements and vector spaces can't have torsion. $mathbb R^+$ under multiplication is actually isomorphic to $mathbb R$ under addition via the exponential map $tmapsto e^t$, and multiplication by a scalar becomes exponentiation, so it is a vector space in this way.







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            • Thanks for the answer! This particular construction doesn't seem like it forms a module, however, since $a cdot (b cdot v) = (ab) cdot v$ doesn't always hold. But modules might actually be a good way to introduce abelian groups. Interesting thought!
              – Jacob Maibach
              Dec 23 at 20:57






            • 1




              @Jacob Being an abelian group, it's a module over $mathbb Z$, which is integer exponentiation. Since it has integer torsion, it can't possibly be a module over $mathbb Q$, no matter which roots you end up choosing.
              – Matt Samuel
              Dec 23 at 20:59












            • @Jacob However, if you take out imaginary numbers and negative numbers, you're left with the positive real numbers under multiplication. This is indeed a module with rational exponentiation.
              – Matt Samuel
              Dec 23 at 21:02










            • Could you add/emphasize that point about why it can't be extended to a $mathbb{Q}$-module in your answer? I think that is exactly what I was looking for.
              – Jacob Maibach
              Dec 23 at 21:11










            • @Jacob See the edit.
              – Matt Samuel
              Dec 23 at 21:17


















            • Thanks for the answer! This particular construction doesn't seem like it forms a module, however, since $a cdot (b cdot v) = (ab) cdot v$ doesn't always hold. But modules might actually be a good way to introduce abelian groups. Interesting thought!
              – Jacob Maibach
              Dec 23 at 20:57






            • 1




              @Jacob Being an abelian group, it's a module over $mathbb Z$, which is integer exponentiation. Since it has integer torsion, it can't possibly be a module over $mathbb Q$, no matter which roots you end up choosing.
              – Matt Samuel
              Dec 23 at 20:59












            • @Jacob However, if you take out imaginary numbers and negative numbers, you're left with the positive real numbers under multiplication. This is indeed a module with rational exponentiation.
              – Matt Samuel
              Dec 23 at 21:02










            • Could you add/emphasize that point about why it can't be extended to a $mathbb{Q}$-module in your answer? I think that is exactly what I was looking for.
              – Jacob Maibach
              Dec 23 at 21:11










            • @Jacob See the edit.
              – Matt Samuel
              Dec 23 at 21:17
















            Thanks for the answer! This particular construction doesn't seem like it forms a module, however, since $a cdot (b cdot v) = (ab) cdot v$ doesn't always hold. But modules might actually be a good way to introduce abelian groups. Interesting thought!
            – Jacob Maibach
            Dec 23 at 20:57




            Thanks for the answer! This particular construction doesn't seem like it forms a module, however, since $a cdot (b cdot v) = (ab) cdot v$ doesn't always hold. But modules might actually be a good way to introduce abelian groups. Interesting thought!
            – Jacob Maibach
            Dec 23 at 20:57




            1




            1




            @Jacob Being an abelian group, it's a module over $mathbb Z$, which is integer exponentiation. Since it has integer torsion, it can't possibly be a module over $mathbb Q$, no matter which roots you end up choosing.
            – Matt Samuel
            Dec 23 at 20:59






            @Jacob Being an abelian group, it's a module over $mathbb Z$, which is integer exponentiation. Since it has integer torsion, it can't possibly be a module over $mathbb Q$, no matter which roots you end up choosing.
            – Matt Samuel
            Dec 23 at 20:59














            @Jacob However, if you take out imaginary numbers and negative numbers, you're left with the positive real numbers under multiplication. This is indeed a module with rational exponentiation.
            – Matt Samuel
            Dec 23 at 21:02




            @Jacob However, if you take out imaginary numbers and negative numbers, you're left with the positive real numbers under multiplication. This is indeed a module with rational exponentiation.
            – Matt Samuel
            Dec 23 at 21:02












            Could you add/emphasize that point about why it can't be extended to a $mathbb{Q}$-module in your answer? I think that is exactly what I was looking for.
            – Jacob Maibach
            Dec 23 at 21:11




            Could you add/emphasize that point about why it can't be extended to a $mathbb{Q}$-module in your answer? I think that is exactly what I was looking for.
            – Jacob Maibach
            Dec 23 at 21:11












            @Jacob See the edit.
            – Matt Samuel
            Dec 23 at 21:17




            @Jacob See the edit.
            – Matt Samuel
            Dec 23 at 21:17











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            Embarrassingly, the same question I linked has an answer explaining just this.



            Namely, for $z = i$, note that $(z^{4})^{1/2}$ is not equal to $z^{(4 cdot 1/2)} = z^{2}$. Why? Because $i^{4} = 1$ so $(i^{4})^{1/2} = 1^{1/2} =1$ which is quite distinct from $i^{2} = -1$. That is, the lack of uniqueness of square-roots (or roots more generally) in the complex numbers either prevents scalar multiplication from being well-defined, or it prevents it from satisfying the axiom that $a cdot (b cdot v) = (ab) cdot v$ (for scalars $a, b$ and vector $v$).



            Edit: Generalizing this gives a short proof that a vector space is torsion-free. Presume there exists a nonzero scalar $a$ and vector $v$ such that $a cdot v = 0$. Then note that
            $$ a^{-1} cdot (a cdot v) = (a^{-1}a) cdot v = v, $$
            yet also
            $$ a^{-1} cdot (a cdot v) = a^{-1} cdot 0 = 0. $$
            Therefore $v = 0$. More generally, this shows that scaling must be bijective. That is, for distinct scalars $a$ and $b$, and vector $v$ with $a cdot v = b cdot v$, we have $(a - b) cdot v = 0$ implying once again that $v = 0$.






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              Embarrassingly, the same question I linked has an answer explaining just this.



              Namely, for $z = i$, note that $(z^{4})^{1/2}$ is not equal to $z^{(4 cdot 1/2)} = z^{2}$. Why? Because $i^{4} = 1$ so $(i^{4})^{1/2} = 1^{1/2} =1$ which is quite distinct from $i^{2} = -1$. That is, the lack of uniqueness of square-roots (or roots more generally) in the complex numbers either prevents scalar multiplication from being well-defined, or it prevents it from satisfying the axiom that $a cdot (b cdot v) = (ab) cdot v$ (for scalars $a, b$ and vector $v$).



              Edit: Generalizing this gives a short proof that a vector space is torsion-free. Presume there exists a nonzero scalar $a$ and vector $v$ such that $a cdot v = 0$. Then note that
              $$ a^{-1} cdot (a cdot v) = (a^{-1}a) cdot v = v, $$
              yet also
              $$ a^{-1} cdot (a cdot v) = a^{-1} cdot 0 = 0. $$
              Therefore $v = 0$. More generally, this shows that scaling must be bijective. That is, for distinct scalars $a$ and $b$, and vector $v$ with $a cdot v = b cdot v$, we have $(a - b) cdot v = 0$ implying once again that $v = 0$.






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                Embarrassingly, the same question I linked has an answer explaining just this.



                Namely, for $z = i$, note that $(z^{4})^{1/2}$ is not equal to $z^{(4 cdot 1/2)} = z^{2}$. Why? Because $i^{4} = 1$ so $(i^{4})^{1/2} = 1^{1/2} =1$ which is quite distinct from $i^{2} = -1$. That is, the lack of uniqueness of square-roots (or roots more generally) in the complex numbers either prevents scalar multiplication from being well-defined, or it prevents it from satisfying the axiom that $a cdot (b cdot v) = (ab) cdot v$ (for scalars $a, b$ and vector $v$).



                Edit: Generalizing this gives a short proof that a vector space is torsion-free. Presume there exists a nonzero scalar $a$ and vector $v$ such that $a cdot v = 0$. Then note that
                $$ a^{-1} cdot (a cdot v) = (a^{-1}a) cdot v = v, $$
                yet also
                $$ a^{-1} cdot (a cdot v) = a^{-1} cdot 0 = 0. $$
                Therefore $v = 0$. More generally, this shows that scaling must be bijective. That is, for distinct scalars $a$ and $b$, and vector $v$ with $a cdot v = b cdot v$, we have $(a - b) cdot v = 0$ implying once again that $v = 0$.






                share|cite|improve this answer














                Embarrassingly, the same question I linked has an answer explaining just this.



                Namely, for $z = i$, note that $(z^{4})^{1/2}$ is not equal to $z^{(4 cdot 1/2)} = z^{2}$. Why? Because $i^{4} = 1$ so $(i^{4})^{1/2} = 1^{1/2} =1$ which is quite distinct from $i^{2} = -1$. That is, the lack of uniqueness of square-roots (or roots more generally) in the complex numbers either prevents scalar multiplication from being well-defined, or it prevents it from satisfying the axiom that $a cdot (b cdot v) = (ab) cdot v$ (for scalars $a, b$ and vector $v$).



                Edit: Generalizing this gives a short proof that a vector space is torsion-free. Presume there exists a nonzero scalar $a$ and vector $v$ such that $a cdot v = 0$. Then note that
                $$ a^{-1} cdot (a cdot v) = (a^{-1}a) cdot v = v, $$
                yet also
                $$ a^{-1} cdot (a cdot v) = a^{-1} cdot 0 = 0. $$
                Therefore $v = 0$. More generally, this shows that scaling must be bijective. That is, for distinct scalars $a$ and $b$, and vector $v$ with $a cdot v = b cdot v$, we have $(a - b) cdot v = 0$ implying once again that $v = 0$.







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