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The polynomial $x^3+3x^2-2x+1$ has roots $alpha, beta, gamma$ . Find $$alpha^2(beta + gamma) + beta^2(alpha + gamma) + gamma^2(alpha + beta)$$




I tried finding the relation using $-b/a$, $c/a$ and $-d/a$. I couldn’t seem to find anything. I also tried solving for one root but it gave me back the polynomial but with the root as the variable. Also the polynomial can not be factorised.






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    The polynomial $x^3+3x^2-2x+1$ has roots $alpha, beta, gamma$ . Find $$alpha^2(beta + gamma) + beta^2(alpha + gamma) + gamma^2(alpha + beta)$$




    I tried finding the relation using $-b/a$, $c/a$ and $-d/a$. I couldn’t seem to find anything. I also tried solving for one root but it gave me back the polynomial but with the root as the variable. Also the polynomial can not be factorised.






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      The polynomial $x^3+3x^2-2x+1$ has roots $alpha, beta, gamma$ . Find $$alpha^2(beta + gamma) + beta^2(alpha + gamma) + gamma^2(alpha + beta)$$




      I tried finding the relation using $-b/a$, $c/a$ and $-d/a$. I couldn’t seem to find anything. I also tried solving for one root but it gave me back the polynomial but with the root as the variable. Also the polynomial can not be factorised.






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      The polynomial $x^3+3x^2-2x+1$ has roots $alpha, beta, gamma$ . Find $$alpha^2(beta + gamma) + beta^2(alpha + gamma) + gamma^2(alpha + beta)$$




      I tried finding the relation using $-b/a$, $c/a$ and $-d/a$. I couldn’t seem to find anything. I also tried solving for one root but it gave me back the polynomial but with the root as the variable. Also the polynomial can not be factorised.






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          Since the polynomial has three roots and its highest degree is 3, we can write
          $$
          p(x) = (x-alpha)(x-beta)(x-gamma) = x^3 +3x^2 - 2x + 1.
          $$
          It then follows from
          $$
          x^3 - (alpha+beta+gamma)x^2 + (alphabeta + beta gamma + gamma alpha)x - alphabeta gamma = x^3+3x^2-2x + 1
          $$
          that
          $$
          alpha+beta+gamma = -3, quad alphabeta + beta gamma + gamma alpha = -2, quad
          alphabeta gamma = -1.
          $$
          Note that
          $$
          -2alpha = alpha(alphabeta + beta gamma + gamma alpha) = alpha^2(beta+gamma) +alphabetagamma = alpha^2(beta+gamma) - 1.
          $$
          Thus $alpha^2(beta + gamma)=1-2alpha$.
          Similarly, $beta^2(alpha + gamma) = 1-2beta$ and $gamma^2(alpha + beta) = 1-2gamma$.
          Therefore,
          begin{align}
          alpha^2(beta + gamma) + beta^2(alpha + gamma) + gamma^2(alpha + beta)
          &= (1-2alpha) + (1-2beta) + (1-2gamma) \
          &= 3 -2(alpha+beta+gamma) = 3 +6 =9.
          end{align}






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            Any symmetric (polynomial) function of the roots can be expressed in terms of the Vieta coefficients. Here, check the hint:
            $$sum alpha^2(beta+gamma) = (alpha+beta+gamma)(alphabeta+betagamma+gammaalpha)-3alphabetagamma$$



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            In case you want a systematic method to express in terms of elementary symmetric polynomials, check this answer for Gauss' algorithm.






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              Another often useful approach is to transform the polynomial (and / or) the result using the given polynomial. For e.g. $sum alpha^2(beta+gamma) = sumalpha^2(-3-alpha) = sum (-alpha^3-3alpha^2) = sum (-2alpha+1)=-2cdot(-3)+3=9 $
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            $a,b,c$ are the three roots.
            $$
            begin{align}
            &a^2*(b+c)+b^2*(a+c)+c^2*(a+b)\
            ={}&(a+b+c)*(a^2+b^2+c^2)-(a^3+b^3+c^3)\
            ={}&(-3)*(a^2+b^2+c^2)-(a+b+c)^3\
            ={}&(-3)*((a+b+c)^2-2ab-2ac-2bc)-(a+b+c) * (a^2+b^2+c^2) + ab(a+b) + ac(a+c) + bc(b+c)\
            ={}& (-3)*(9-2*(-2))-(-3)*(9-2*(-2)) + ab(a+b+c-c) + ac(a+b+c-b) + bc(a+b+c-a)\
            ={}&(a+b+c)(ab+ac+bc)-3abc\
            ={}&(-3)*(-2)-3*(-1)\
            ={}&6-(-3)\
            ={}&9
            end{align}
            $$






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            $begingroup$

            Since the polynomial has three roots and its highest degree is 3, we can write
            $$
            p(x) = (x-alpha)(x-beta)(x-gamma) = x^3 +3x^2 - 2x + 1.
            $$
            It then follows from
            $$
            x^3 - (alpha+beta+gamma)x^2 + (alphabeta + beta gamma + gamma alpha)x - alphabeta gamma = x^3+3x^2-2x + 1
            $$
            that
            $$
            alpha+beta+gamma = -3, quad alphabeta + beta gamma + gamma alpha = -2, quad
            alphabeta gamma = -1.
            $$
            Note that
            $$
            -2alpha = alpha(alphabeta + beta gamma + gamma alpha) = alpha^2(beta+gamma) +alphabetagamma = alpha^2(beta+gamma) - 1.
            $$
            Thus $alpha^2(beta + gamma)=1-2alpha$.
            Similarly, $beta^2(alpha + gamma) = 1-2beta$ and $gamma^2(alpha + beta) = 1-2gamma$.
            Therefore,
            begin{align}
            alpha^2(beta + gamma) + beta^2(alpha + gamma) + gamma^2(alpha + beta)
            &= (1-2alpha) + (1-2beta) + (1-2gamma) \
            &= 3 -2(alpha+beta+gamma) = 3 +6 =9.
            end{align}






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              Since the polynomial has three roots and its highest degree is 3, we can write
              $$
              p(x) = (x-alpha)(x-beta)(x-gamma) = x^3 +3x^2 - 2x + 1.
              $$
              It then follows from
              $$
              x^3 - (alpha+beta+gamma)x^2 + (alphabeta + beta gamma + gamma alpha)x - alphabeta gamma = x^3+3x^2-2x + 1
              $$
              that
              $$
              alpha+beta+gamma = -3, quad alphabeta + beta gamma + gamma alpha = -2, quad
              alphabeta gamma = -1.
              $$
              Note that
              $$
              -2alpha = alpha(alphabeta + beta gamma + gamma alpha) = alpha^2(beta+gamma) +alphabetagamma = alpha^2(beta+gamma) - 1.
              $$
              Thus $alpha^2(beta + gamma)=1-2alpha$.
              Similarly, $beta^2(alpha + gamma) = 1-2beta$ and $gamma^2(alpha + beta) = 1-2gamma$.
              Therefore,
              begin{align}
              alpha^2(beta + gamma) + beta^2(alpha + gamma) + gamma^2(alpha + beta)
              &= (1-2alpha) + (1-2beta) + (1-2gamma) \
              &= 3 -2(alpha+beta+gamma) = 3 +6 =9.
              end{align}






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                Since the polynomial has three roots and its highest degree is 3, we can write
                $$
                p(x) = (x-alpha)(x-beta)(x-gamma) = x^3 +3x^2 - 2x + 1.
                $$
                It then follows from
                $$
                x^3 - (alpha+beta+gamma)x^2 + (alphabeta + beta gamma + gamma alpha)x - alphabeta gamma = x^3+3x^2-2x + 1
                $$
                that
                $$
                alpha+beta+gamma = -3, quad alphabeta + beta gamma + gamma alpha = -2, quad
                alphabeta gamma = -1.
                $$
                Note that
                $$
                -2alpha = alpha(alphabeta + beta gamma + gamma alpha) = alpha^2(beta+gamma) +alphabetagamma = alpha^2(beta+gamma) - 1.
                $$
                Thus $alpha^2(beta + gamma)=1-2alpha$.
                Similarly, $beta^2(alpha + gamma) = 1-2beta$ and $gamma^2(alpha + beta) = 1-2gamma$.
                Therefore,
                begin{align}
                alpha^2(beta + gamma) + beta^2(alpha + gamma) + gamma^2(alpha + beta)
                &= (1-2alpha) + (1-2beta) + (1-2gamma) \
                &= 3 -2(alpha+beta+gamma) = 3 +6 =9.
                end{align}






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                Since the polynomial has three roots and its highest degree is 3, we can write
                $$
                p(x) = (x-alpha)(x-beta)(x-gamma) = x^3 +3x^2 - 2x + 1.
                $$
                It then follows from
                $$
                x^3 - (alpha+beta+gamma)x^2 + (alphabeta + beta gamma + gamma alpha)x - alphabeta gamma = x^3+3x^2-2x + 1
                $$
                that
                $$
                alpha+beta+gamma = -3, quad alphabeta + beta gamma + gamma alpha = -2, quad
                alphabeta gamma = -1.
                $$
                Note that
                $$
                -2alpha = alpha(alphabeta + beta gamma + gamma alpha) = alpha^2(beta+gamma) +alphabetagamma = alpha^2(beta+gamma) - 1.
                $$
                Thus $alpha^2(beta + gamma)=1-2alpha$.
                Similarly, $beta^2(alpha + gamma) = 1-2beta$ and $gamma^2(alpha + beta) = 1-2gamma$.
                Therefore,
                begin{align}
                alpha^2(beta + gamma) + beta^2(alpha + gamma) + gamma^2(alpha + beta)
                &= (1-2alpha) + (1-2beta) + (1-2gamma) \
                &= 3 -2(alpha+beta+gamma) = 3 +6 =9.
                end{align}







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                    Any symmetric (polynomial) function of the roots can be expressed in terms of the Vieta coefficients. Here, check the hint:
                    $$sum alpha^2(beta+gamma) = (alpha+beta+gamma)(alphabeta+betagamma+gammaalpha)-3alphabetagamma$$



                    --
                    In case you want a systematic method to express in terms of elementary symmetric polynomials, check this answer for Gauss' algorithm.






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                    • $begingroup$
                      Another often useful approach is to transform the polynomial (and / or) the result using the given polynomial. For e.g. $sum alpha^2(beta+gamma) = sumalpha^2(-3-alpha) = sum (-alpha^3-3alpha^2) = sum (-2alpha+1)=-2cdot(-3)+3=9 $
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                    $begingroup$

                    Any symmetric (polynomial) function of the roots can be expressed in terms of the Vieta coefficients. Here, check the hint:
                    $$sum alpha^2(beta+gamma) = (alpha+beta+gamma)(alphabeta+betagamma+gammaalpha)-3alphabetagamma$$



                    --
                    In case you want a systematic method to express in terms of elementary symmetric polynomials, check this answer for Gauss' algorithm.






                    share|cite|improve this answer











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                    • $begingroup$
                      Another often useful approach is to transform the polynomial (and / or) the result using the given polynomial. For e.g. $sum alpha^2(beta+gamma) = sumalpha^2(-3-alpha) = sum (-alpha^3-3alpha^2) = sum (-2alpha+1)=-2cdot(-3)+3=9 $
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                    $begingroup$

                    Any symmetric (polynomial) function of the roots can be expressed in terms of the Vieta coefficients. Here, check the hint:
                    $$sum alpha^2(beta+gamma) = (alpha+beta+gamma)(alphabeta+betagamma+gammaalpha)-3alphabetagamma$$



                    --
                    In case you want a systematic method to express in terms of elementary symmetric polynomials, check this answer for Gauss' algorithm.






                    share|cite|improve this answer











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                    Any symmetric (polynomial) function of the roots can be expressed in terms of the Vieta coefficients. Here, check the hint:
                    $$sum alpha^2(beta+gamma) = (alpha+beta+gamma)(alphabeta+betagamma+gammaalpha)-3alphabetagamma$$



                    --
                    In case you want a systematic method to express in terms of elementary symmetric polynomials, check this answer for Gauss' algorithm.







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                    • $begingroup$
                      Another often useful approach is to transform the polynomial (and / or) the result using the given polynomial. For e.g. $sum alpha^2(beta+gamma) = sumalpha^2(-3-alpha) = sum (-alpha^3-3alpha^2) = sum (-2alpha+1)=-2cdot(-3)+3=9 $
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                    • $begingroup$
                      Another often useful approach is to transform the polynomial (and / or) the result using the given polynomial. For e.g. $sum alpha^2(beta+gamma) = sumalpha^2(-3-alpha) = sum (-alpha^3-3alpha^2) = sum (-2alpha+1)=-2cdot(-3)+3=9 $
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                    $begingroup$
                    Another often useful approach is to transform the polynomial (and / or) the result using the given polynomial. For e.g. $sum alpha^2(beta+gamma) = sumalpha^2(-3-alpha) = sum (-alpha^3-3alpha^2) = sum (-2alpha+1)=-2cdot(-3)+3=9 $
                    $endgroup$
                    – Macavity
                    1 hour ago






                    $begingroup$
                    Another often useful approach is to transform the polynomial (and / or) the result using the given polynomial. For e.g. $sum alpha^2(beta+gamma) = sumalpha^2(-3-alpha) = sum (-alpha^3-3alpha^2) = sum (-2alpha+1)=-2cdot(-3)+3=9 $
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                    $a,b,c$ are the three roots.
                    $$
                    begin{align}
                    &a^2*(b+c)+b^2*(a+c)+c^2*(a+b)\
                    ={}&(a+b+c)*(a^2+b^2+c^2)-(a^3+b^3+c^3)\
                    ={}&(-3)*(a^2+b^2+c^2)-(a+b+c)^3\
                    ={}&(-3)*((a+b+c)^2-2ab-2ac-2bc)-(a+b+c) * (a^2+b^2+c^2) + ab(a+b) + ac(a+c) + bc(b+c)\
                    ={}& (-3)*(9-2*(-2))-(-3)*(9-2*(-2)) + ab(a+b+c-c) + ac(a+b+c-b) + bc(a+b+c-a)\
                    ={}&(a+b+c)(ab+ac+bc)-3abc\
                    ={}&(-3)*(-2)-3*(-1)\
                    ={}&6-(-3)\
                    ={}&9
                    end{align}
                    $$






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                    $begingroup$

                    $a,b,c$ are the three roots.
                    $$
                    begin{align}
                    &a^2*(b+c)+b^2*(a+c)+c^2*(a+b)\
                    ={}&(a+b+c)*(a^2+b^2+c^2)-(a^3+b^3+c^3)\
                    ={}&(-3)*(a^2+b^2+c^2)-(a+b+c)^3\
                    ={}&(-3)*((a+b+c)^2-2ab-2ac-2bc)-(a+b+c) * (a^2+b^2+c^2) + ab(a+b) + ac(a+c) + bc(b+c)\
                    ={}& (-3)*(9-2*(-2))-(-3)*(9-2*(-2)) + ab(a+b+c-c) + ac(a+b+c-b) + bc(a+b+c-a)\
                    ={}&(a+b+c)(ab+ac+bc)-3abc\
                    ={}&(-3)*(-2)-3*(-1)\
                    ={}&6-(-3)\
                    ={}&9
                    end{align}
                    $$






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                      Welcome to MSE. Note that I, at least, found what you wrote hard to read. To help make your future math formatting look better, I suggest you read & use what it says in MathJax basic tutorial and quick reference.
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                    $begingroup$

                    $a,b,c$ are the three roots.
                    $$
                    begin{align}
                    &a^2*(b+c)+b^2*(a+c)+c^2*(a+b)\
                    ={}&(a+b+c)*(a^2+b^2+c^2)-(a^3+b^3+c^3)\
                    ={}&(-3)*(a^2+b^2+c^2)-(a+b+c)^3\
                    ={}&(-3)*((a+b+c)^2-2ab-2ac-2bc)-(a+b+c) * (a^2+b^2+c^2) + ab(a+b) + ac(a+c) + bc(b+c)\
                    ={}& (-3)*(9-2*(-2))-(-3)*(9-2*(-2)) + ab(a+b+c-c) + ac(a+b+c-b) + bc(a+b+c-a)\
                    ={}&(a+b+c)(ab+ac+bc)-3abc\
                    ={}&(-3)*(-2)-3*(-1)\
                    ={}&6-(-3)\
                    ={}&9
                    end{align}
                    $$






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                    $a,b,c$ are the three roots.
                    $$
                    begin{align}
                    &a^2*(b+c)+b^2*(a+c)+c^2*(a+b)\
                    ={}&(a+b+c)*(a^2+b^2+c^2)-(a^3+b^3+c^3)\
                    ={}&(-3)*(a^2+b^2+c^2)-(a+b+c)^3\
                    ={}&(-3)*((a+b+c)^2-2ab-2ac-2bc)-(a+b+c) * (a^2+b^2+c^2) + ab(a+b) + ac(a+c) + bc(b+c)\
                    ={}& (-3)*(9-2*(-2))-(-3)*(9-2*(-2)) + ab(a+b+c-c) + ac(a+b+c-b) + bc(a+b+c-a)\
                    ={}&(a+b+c)(ab+ac+bc)-3abc\
                    ={}&(-3)*(-2)-3*(-1)\
                    ={}&6-(-3)\
                    ={}&9
                    end{align}
                    $$







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