Has there ever been an instance of an active nuclear power plant within or near a war zone?
The question
Has there ever been a military combat going on around an active (running or in outage but not decommissioned) commercial nuclear power plant? Or dangerously near it? If yes, how did the plant and its personnel fare in such situation?
Why I ask
Let's assume for the scope of this question modern commercial nuclear power plants (CANDU, PWR, BWR of generation II plus all of gen III and newer) are usually reasonably safe to operate given that the engineering has been done right and there is a whole cohort of very well trained personnel on-site at all times, well rested and with considerable resources on their hands. Things hard to get with an armed conflict like the recent Syrian war raging around. I can't seem to find any reference or a comprehensive article about this, hence this question.
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Alex asks how far is near: as far or near as it gets for the plant operations to be affected. For example, if there was front a thousand kilometers away but all operators were drafted into military forces, the power plat would be affected. On the other hand, the 200 km distance in Ukraine is a point of debate under the question below, since the military action was feared to affect the Zhaporizhia Nuclear Power Plant, but in the end it didn't.
T.E.D. mentions nonoperational power plants being swept in conflict. As I'm interested in the operations being affected, nonoperational power plants are not considered.
LangLangC, Mike Scott and others wanted clarification on why only commercial and not military installations. The reasoning is that military installations are built for the purpose of a military conflict (either conducting or preventing it) and thus are built, supplied and run with an armed conflict in mind. Modern civilian nuclear power plants are built to withstand a certain level of a direct attack, but that is not what I ask about. Today we get reports on war in real time, with video and picture in high resolution, over WhatsApp, Facebook and similar, which means even under direct siege the civilian infrastructure works at least to a degree, hospitals are low on personnel and materials but still run, albeit a more basic service. Nuclear power plants are the greatest risk to populace when run without the required care, but requirements for power supply may under circumstances override standard safety requirements. at the same time, it is impossible to run "a third of a nuclear power plant", but it is difficult to predict where the line is. I'm interested in instances of civil/commercial power station operations being affected, whether there at all was such an instance, and what lessons can be learned from it for a civilian not directly involved in operations but wanting an insight and understanding.
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The question
Has there ever been a military combat going on around an active (running or in outage but not decommissioned) commercial nuclear power plant? Or dangerously near it? If yes, how did the plant and its personnel fare in such situation?
Why I ask
Let's assume for the scope of this question modern commercial nuclear power plants (CANDU, PWR, BWR of generation II plus all of gen III and newer) are usually reasonably safe to operate given that the engineering has been done right and there is a whole cohort of very well trained personnel on-site at all times, well rested and with considerable resources on their hands. Things hard to get with an armed conflict like the recent Syrian war raging around. I can't seem to find any reference or a comprehensive article about this, hence this question.
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Alex asks how far is near: as far or near as it gets for the plant operations to be affected. For example, if there was front a thousand kilometers away but all operators were drafted into military forces, the power plat would be affected. On the other hand, the 200 km distance in Ukraine is a point of debate under the question below, since the military action was feared to affect the Zhaporizhia Nuclear Power Plant, but in the end it didn't.
T.E.D. mentions nonoperational power plants being swept in conflict. As I'm interested in the operations being affected, nonoperational power plants are not considered.
LangLangC, Mike Scott and others wanted clarification on why only commercial and not military installations. The reasoning is that military installations are built for the purpose of a military conflict (either conducting or preventing it) and thus are built, supplied and run with an armed conflict in mind. Modern civilian nuclear power plants are built to withstand a certain level of a direct attack, but that is not what I ask about. Today we get reports on war in real time, with video and picture in high resolution, over WhatsApp, Facebook and similar, which means even under direct siege the civilian infrastructure works at least to a degree, hospitals are low on personnel and materials but still run, albeit a more basic service. Nuclear power plants are the greatest risk to populace when run without the required care, but requirements for power supply may under circumstances override standard safety requirements. at the same time, it is impossible to run "a third of a nuclear power plant", but it is difficult to predict where the line is. I'm interested in instances of civil/commercial power station operations being affected, whether there at all was such an instance, and what lessons can be learned from it for a civilian not directly involved in operations but wanting an insight and understanding.
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– sempaiscuba♦
yesterday
You say "Nuclear power plants are the greatest risk to populace when run without the required care", but I'd invite you to consider large hydroelectric dams as well - the Tabqa dam was at risk recently in the Syrian civil war, and outside of conflict the Banqiao dam collapse killed 171,000 people.
– llama
yesterday
@llama The important difference is that when in a good shape and built with sound engineering, you can shut a hydroelectric power plant pretty quickly and leave it as it is with floodgates open. you can't do that with a nuclear power station, it needs to be manned and carefully operated a long time after you shut it down to prevent environmental damage and direct safety risks to the populace. Off course you can bomb the dam, but that is not what I ask about.
– Pavel
21 hours ago
@Pavel You can shut down a nuclear plant far more quickly that you can empty a vast reservoir safely. Even assuming you can at all.
– Rekesoft
18 hours ago
@Rekesoft First, this is off topic here. Second, emptying a large reservoir of water is of no interest to me. You can leave the dam full for prolonged periods of time, given its well built. You can't leave a nuclear power plant unattended, even when shut down. As repeatedly emphasized in comments and edits, I'm interested in operations being affected, not about attacks, not about withstanding damage from direct hits, not about theoretical comparison to other sources of energy.
– Pavel
15 hours ago
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The question
Has there ever been a military combat going on around an active (running or in outage but not decommissioned) commercial nuclear power plant? Or dangerously near it? If yes, how did the plant and its personnel fare in such situation?
Why I ask
Let's assume for the scope of this question modern commercial nuclear power plants (CANDU, PWR, BWR of generation II plus all of gen III and newer) are usually reasonably safe to operate given that the engineering has been done right and there is a whole cohort of very well trained personnel on-site at all times, well rested and with considerable resources on their hands. Things hard to get with an armed conflict like the recent Syrian war raging around. I can't seem to find any reference or a comprehensive article about this, hence this question.
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Alex asks how far is near: as far or near as it gets for the plant operations to be affected. For example, if there was front a thousand kilometers away but all operators were drafted into military forces, the power plat would be affected. On the other hand, the 200 km distance in Ukraine is a point of debate under the question below, since the military action was feared to affect the Zhaporizhia Nuclear Power Plant, but in the end it didn't.
T.E.D. mentions nonoperational power plants being swept in conflict. As I'm interested in the operations being affected, nonoperational power plants are not considered.
LangLangC, Mike Scott and others wanted clarification on why only commercial and not military installations. The reasoning is that military installations are built for the purpose of a military conflict (either conducting or preventing it) and thus are built, supplied and run with an armed conflict in mind. Modern civilian nuclear power plants are built to withstand a certain level of a direct attack, but that is not what I ask about. Today we get reports on war in real time, with video and picture in high resolution, over WhatsApp, Facebook and similar, which means even under direct siege the civilian infrastructure works at least to a degree, hospitals are low on personnel and materials but still run, albeit a more basic service. Nuclear power plants are the greatest risk to populace when run without the required care, but requirements for power supply may under circumstances override standard safety requirements. at the same time, it is impossible to run "a third of a nuclear power plant", but it is difficult to predict where the line is. I'm interested in instances of civil/commercial power station operations being affected, whether there at all was such an instance, and what lessons can be learned from it for a civilian not directly involved in operations but wanting an insight and understanding.
war nuclear
The question
Has there ever been a military combat going on around an active (running or in outage but not decommissioned) commercial nuclear power plant? Or dangerously near it? If yes, how did the plant and its personnel fare in such situation?
Why I ask
Let's assume for the scope of this question modern commercial nuclear power plants (CANDU, PWR, BWR of generation II plus all of gen III and newer) are usually reasonably safe to operate given that the engineering has been done right and there is a whole cohort of very well trained personnel on-site at all times, well rested and with considerable resources on their hands. Things hard to get with an armed conflict like the recent Syrian war raging around. I can't seem to find any reference or a comprehensive article about this, hence this question.
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Alex asks how far is near: as far or near as it gets for the plant operations to be affected. For example, if there was front a thousand kilometers away but all operators were drafted into military forces, the power plat would be affected. On the other hand, the 200 km distance in Ukraine is a point of debate under the question below, since the military action was feared to affect the Zhaporizhia Nuclear Power Plant, but in the end it didn't.
T.E.D. mentions nonoperational power plants being swept in conflict. As I'm interested in the operations being affected, nonoperational power plants are not considered.
LangLangC, Mike Scott and others wanted clarification on why only commercial and not military installations. The reasoning is that military installations are built for the purpose of a military conflict (either conducting or preventing it) and thus are built, supplied and run with an armed conflict in mind. Modern civilian nuclear power plants are built to withstand a certain level of a direct attack, but that is not what I ask about. Today we get reports on war in real time, with video and picture in high resolution, over WhatsApp, Facebook and similar, which means even under direct siege the civilian infrastructure works at least to a degree, hospitals are low on personnel and materials but still run, albeit a more basic service. Nuclear power plants are the greatest risk to populace when run without the required care, but requirements for power supply may under circumstances override standard safety requirements. at the same time, it is impossible to run "a third of a nuclear power plant", but it is difficult to predict where the line is. I'm interested in instances of civil/commercial power station operations being affected, whether there at all was such an instance, and what lessons can be learned from it for a civilian not directly involved in operations but wanting an insight and understanding.
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– sempaiscuba♦
yesterday
You say "Nuclear power plants are the greatest risk to populace when run without the required care", but I'd invite you to consider large hydroelectric dams as well - the Tabqa dam was at risk recently in the Syrian civil war, and outside of conflict the Banqiao dam collapse killed 171,000 people.
– llama
yesterday
@llama The important difference is that when in a good shape and built with sound engineering, you can shut a hydroelectric power plant pretty quickly and leave it as it is with floodgates open. you can't do that with a nuclear power station, it needs to be manned and carefully operated a long time after you shut it down to prevent environmental damage and direct safety risks to the populace. Off course you can bomb the dam, but that is not what I ask about.
– Pavel
21 hours ago
@Pavel You can shut down a nuclear plant far more quickly that you can empty a vast reservoir safely. Even assuming you can at all.
– Rekesoft
18 hours ago
@Rekesoft First, this is off topic here. Second, emptying a large reservoir of water is of no interest to me. You can leave the dam full for prolonged periods of time, given its well built. You can't leave a nuclear power plant unattended, even when shut down. As repeatedly emphasized in comments and edits, I'm interested in operations being affected, not about attacks, not about withstanding damage from direct hits, not about theoretical comparison to other sources of energy.
– Pavel
15 hours ago
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Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– sempaiscuba♦
yesterday
You say "Nuclear power plants are the greatest risk to populace when run without the required care", but I'd invite you to consider large hydroelectric dams as well - the Tabqa dam was at risk recently in the Syrian civil war, and outside of conflict the Banqiao dam collapse killed 171,000 people.
– llama
yesterday
@llama The important difference is that when in a good shape and built with sound engineering, you can shut a hydroelectric power plant pretty quickly and leave it as it is with floodgates open. you can't do that with a nuclear power station, it needs to be manned and carefully operated a long time after you shut it down to prevent environmental damage and direct safety risks to the populace. Off course you can bomb the dam, but that is not what I ask about.
– Pavel
21 hours ago
@Pavel You can shut down a nuclear plant far more quickly that you can empty a vast reservoir safely. Even assuming you can at all.
– Rekesoft
18 hours ago
@Rekesoft First, this is off topic here. Second, emptying a large reservoir of water is of no interest to me. You can leave the dam full for prolonged periods of time, given its well built. You can't leave a nuclear power plant unattended, even when shut down. As repeatedly emphasized in comments and edits, I'm interested in operations being affected, not about attacks, not about withstanding damage from direct hits, not about theoretical comparison to other sources of energy.
– Pavel
15 hours ago
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Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– sempaiscuba♦
yesterday
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– sempaiscuba♦
yesterday
You say "Nuclear power plants are the greatest risk to populace when run without the required care", but I'd invite you to consider large hydroelectric dams as well - the Tabqa dam was at risk recently in the Syrian civil war, and outside of conflict the Banqiao dam collapse killed 171,000 people.
– llama
yesterday
You say "Nuclear power plants are the greatest risk to populace when run without the required care", but I'd invite you to consider large hydroelectric dams as well - the Tabqa dam was at risk recently in the Syrian civil war, and outside of conflict the Banqiao dam collapse killed 171,000 people.
– llama
yesterday
@llama The important difference is that when in a good shape and built with sound engineering, you can shut a hydroelectric power plant pretty quickly and leave it as it is with floodgates open. you can't do that with a nuclear power station, it needs to be manned and carefully operated a long time after you shut it down to prevent environmental damage and direct safety risks to the populace. Off course you can bomb the dam, but that is not what I ask about.
– Pavel
21 hours ago
@llama The important difference is that when in a good shape and built with sound engineering, you can shut a hydroelectric power plant pretty quickly and leave it as it is with floodgates open. you can't do that with a nuclear power station, it needs to be manned and carefully operated a long time after you shut it down to prevent environmental damage and direct safety risks to the populace. Off course you can bomb the dam, but that is not what I ask about.
– Pavel
21 hours ago
@Pavel You can shut down a nuclear plant far more quickly that you can empty a vast reservoir safely. Even assuming you can at all.
– Rekesoft
18 hours ago
@Pavel You can shut down a nuclear plant far more quickly that you can empty a vast reservoir safely. Even assuming you can at all.
– Rekesoft
18 hours ago
@Rekesoft First, this is off topic here. Second, emptying a large reservoir of water is of no interest to me. You can leave the dam full for prolonged periods of time, given its well built. You can't leave a nuclear power plant unattended, even when shut down. As repeatedly emphasized in comments and edits, I'm interested in operations being affected, not about attacks, not about withstanding damage from direct hits, not about theoretical comparison to other sources of energy.
– Pavel
15 hours ago
@Rekesoft First, this is off topic here. Second, emptying a large reservoir of water is of no interest to me. You can leave the dam full for prolonged periods of time, given its well built. You can't leave a nuclear power plant unattended, even when shut down. As repeatedly emphasized in comments and edits, I'm interested in operations being affected, not about attacks, not about withstanding damage from direct hits, not about theoretical comparison to other sources of energy.
– Pavel
15 hours ago
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The Ten-Day War, in 1990, was Slovenia's war of independence from Yugoslavia. During this war, at least a few battles took places within 10-20 km of the Krško Nuclear Power Plant, which had been operating since 1983. The map from Wikipedia shows at least three battles in the vicinity; below, I've annotated the map with the Krško plant's location. (Note the scale in the lower right.)
Unfortunately, I have been unable to find any online English-language sources on how (or whether) the Krško plant was affected by the fighting. A 2015 article in Nuclear Engineering International claims that the plant remained operational during the war, but doesn't provide much more info:
The battlefield map shows that engagement took place along the road passing a few kilometres from the plant. About 70 people were killed during the conflict. The station remained in operation and there is no information on the impact of the conflict on the plant safety or equipment, although it was clearly a stressful experience for the plant personnel.
The cited figure of 70 casualties is for the entire war, not just the nearby battles; the Ten-Day War was neither prolonged nor intense.
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@Pavel - You likely know more than I about this, but I understand a nuclear reactor isn't something you can go unplug from the wall if there's trouble.
– T.E.D.♦
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@Pavel, it takes a while to shut a nuclear reactor down: even after you've inserted the control rods to stop the primary reaction, you still need to keep the cooling pumps running for a week or two until the secondary decay heat dies down. Starting a reactor back up is also a slow process.
– Mark
2 days ago
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@T.E.D. You don’t unplug it from the wall, but you can transition the high power chain reaction to something more controllable (low power state, chain reaction shut down etc) which would be, for me, a logical thing to do. At least in Europe nuclear reactors are transitioned to low power for much less scary reasons than an armed conflict virtually at the gates (for example out-of-spec vibration on the turbine, which doesn’t affect niclear safety, although it is overall bad for business).
– Pavel
2 days ago
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To explain - this is exactly why I asked the question, to find out how it worked out when the operators found themselves dangerously near a conflict, and it turns out in both cases (this and the Ukraine situation) kept running. The operators are usually very well versed in predictable situations leading to an unscheduled outage (e.g. keep the turbine running with this level of vibration and you ruin it) but an armed conflict is a highly unpredictable one and I’ve never seen a decision chart for such scenario as this. It’s just that I’m surprised (and motivated to find out more on this).
– Pavel
2 days ago
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@Pavel I suspect part of the reason is that nobody really wants to damage the nuclear plant in a firefight. Conventional warfare is about acquiring territory and/or capital, and destroying the very things you're fighting for isn't really good strategy; and that's even before considering international political fallout. If you're the separatists responsible for destroying an NPP, UN probably isn't going to be very nice to you about your claims. Accidental damage is relatively unlikely, since the buildings are usually highly resilient. Fanatics like ISIS are a much bigger threat, of course.
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Best example I know of is the Zhaporizhia Nuclear Power Plant. Its in Southern Ukraine, which unfortunately put it right within the area that the Russians "separatist rebel forces" wanted to use to carve themselves a corridor of Russian territory through Ukraine to Crimea in 2014.
I don't believe the city itself was directly attacked, but it was at one point only about 200KM from the fighting in Donesk, and some armed separatists did at one point reportedly try to take over the nuclear plant. It was enough of a concern that the residents started calling up and arming militias, setting up checkpoints, and digging trenches to defend the city.
In case you were wondering, this plant does in fact use a different (and safer) reactor design than the Chernobyl plant. However, it has more reactors than a typical nuclear plant (6), which means more chances for something to go wrong in a reactor.
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We differ in our interpretation of 200km but this probably is the best example. My reading of the armed group that approached the city near the plant was something closer to civil disorder than warfare, but sources in English aren't clear.
– Chris H
2 days ago
This seems like the answer to me, if nothing worse comes up. The comments are quite informative as well.
– Pavel
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– T.E.D.♦
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You could add a source for the photo (I suspect you are not the author).
– gerrit
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@gerrit - I did add the source. Its the hyperlink in the sentence right on top of the photo. Click it, you will see the photo (and the caption tanderson reported), and a whole bunch of supporting textual material.
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Dimona Nuclear Research center is not a commercial power plant but it is 50 miles from the border with Gaza, which is a permanent war zone.
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I don't think I'd personally call Dimona a 'war zone.' Be'ersheva is half that distance to Gaza and I wouldn't call it a 'war zone,' either, even if the occasional Hamas terrorist launches a rocket in that direction. That said, perhaps the situation was different during one of the many wars in the region. It would be interesting to see maps of how close hostile forces actually got to Dimona during, for example, the Yom Kippur War.
– reirab
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@reirab: Two MiGs (either Soviet or Egyptian, sources vary) flew over the facility shortly before the Six-Day War, but I suspect the OP is more interested in ground forces.
– Michael Seifert
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I don't care that much about the type of military force involved, but I'm mainly interested in civilian nuclear operation. Dimona is, IIRC highly classified operation with a mainly military purpose. I've edited the question to address the recurring question about why I'm not interested in primarily military nuclear operations.
– Pavel
2 days ago
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@reirab: I did not claim that Dimona in in the war zone. And in the question it was not defined what "near" means. Anyway, it is much closer to the war Zone than the Ukrainian station in Zaporizhzhia.
– Alex
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In 1981, Israel intentionally destroyed an Osiris-class research reactor. Basically, they flew in, bombed it to pieces, then flew away. While this was a just a sneak attack and not a part of protracted hostilities, it most certainly was an act of war.
Please read more about this on wikipedia.
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It was indeed a military action, but the facility was still under construction and there are valid reasons to believe it was not even built as civilian power generation station. I'm interested in civilian nuclear power operation being affected by conflict.
– Pavel
2 days ago
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It was definitely not a civilian (or any sort of) power generation station. You don't need 93% enriched Uranium for power generation. The claimed purpose of the reactor was for research, not nuclear power.
– reirab
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@reirab "Baghdad reiterated a previous statement that the French atomic reactor was designed for research and for the eventual production of electricity.". Just because HEU isn't generally used to generate power doesn't mean it's incapable of doing so: case in point US naval reactors(page 26): "use uranium enriched to at least 93%... a U.S. submarine reactor core contains an average of 200 kg of U-235 enriched to 97.3%"
– TemporalWolf
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@reirab There is a whole class of reactors, fast neutron reactors which use HEU, up to and including weapons-grade. There are real-life, currently running civilian power stations running on weapons-grade plutonium of this design. The design is also advantageous from a nuclear waste perspective. The claim that there "[t]he only valid reasons..." is not accurate. Although I still think this answer stands, even if the OP has since clarified to exclude it.
– TemporalWolf
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@TemporalWolf That's an experimental reactor. OP's original question asked only about "commercial nuclear power plants." The question itself hasn't changed at all. The edit just added an explanation for why OP wasn't asking about military facilities or other non-civilian-power-plant reactors, since people kept posting answers about other stuff.
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Q Has there ever been an instance of an active nuclear power plant within or near a war zone?
Yes, quite a lot. And even one would have been one too many.
Directly attacked or "affected" active plants were found in Israel, Ukraine and Yugoslavia. Proving in every instance that supporting atomic power is an untenable position.
Q The reasoning is that military installations are built for the purpose of a military conflict (either conducting or preventing it) and thus are built, supplied and run with an armed conflict in mind.
That is wishful thinking as it is prevalent in pro-atom circles of all colours. All reactors are built with "this doesn't blow up" in mind. And yet, Windscale, Three-Mile-Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima are just the most prominent examples where "shit happens" was the ansewr to "what could *possibly go wrong?" Reactors for the military are not safer than "commercial" plants. Even if they were: why then build knowingly and on purpose less secure atomic reactors for commercial use?
It seems irrelevant to focus on "commercial" and "active" reactors, as the real criteria for damage are more likely "contains radioactive material to be spread when hit". That would include pre-operational and post-operational reactors. Whether they are commercial or strictly military or research doesn't factor in case of catastrophe facilitated by a war.
We might have to define "war zone" further: if the US wages "war on terror", and considered itself under attack of the homeland (ie a war zone in 2001) – would that make all its nuclear installations count? And all those in or near the countries bombed or invaded?
In centuries gone by a "war zone" might have been precisely declared. Since we now seem to prefer asymmetrical warfare, this definition is no longer that useful. Mere proximity or distance to infantry fighting on the ground was no safe haven for for example Serbian, Afghan, or Yemeni people.
If not, we might still look at the map of atomic insanity to get a stricter measurement of reactors at risk of being targets:
via Carbon Brief (https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-the-worlds-nuclear-power-plants)
And correlate the dates of construction and "connectedness to the grid" with the list armed conflicts
List of wars 1945–1989
List of wars 1990–2002
List of wars 2003–present
This is a bit misleading, as the map above is not listing secret or formerly secret armament reactors, which all have to be counted in. Equally, "research reactors" can be tiny or really unnecessarily large – for real research. But it appears that regardless of size and therefore danger, facilities simply declared "for research" (like Egypt's, Libya's or North Korea's?) are just not listed.
For example the Shimon Peres Negev Nuclear Research Center (aka "Dimona") was used by Israel to enrich enough fission material to construct bombs. This went online between 1962–1964 and obviously – that strip of land is awfully small – would be a quite vulnaerable target at least as early during 1973 Arab–Israeli War (Yom Kippur).
Since then it was repeatedly attacked. Iran is supposedly targeting it constantly, but Iraq actually launched rockets in 1991 at it and Hamas does so now. (Although with low accuracy, for now.)
The response to that was that Israel first stepped up air-defenses, a few times, and by now is said to have shut down the reactor. How the personnel reacted in all of those incidents is typically not reported. Since the plant wasn't really hit, they may have never learned of the danger when it was imminent, only later.
The same goes for India and Pakistan, at the latest in 1999, as India detonated "Smiling Buddha" in 1974 and Pakistan had equally enough installations to declare itself on-par with "Chagai-I" in 1998.
Supporters of nuclear power are cynical enough to discount the plants as endangered, as both countries have refrained from all-out-war and now have mobile bombs as well. That is of course wrongheadedly downplaying the reach of weapons available to both sides.
As the Korean War is not offiically really "over", just being an armistice, one might just look at the surroundings of the peninsula:
This is further complicated as internal struggles and civil wars could very easily turn a bit ugly if the plants get targeted.
As is the case with the conflicts in Ukraine, which make also some indisputably Russian reactors "near" a zone of conflict. The Washington posts counts 15 Ukrainian reactors alone in this war zone.
“You need to make sure you have enough security that so bad guys don’t do what the tsunami did to Fukushima — cutting off the power and disabling the backup power to start a meltdown,” Bunn says. Most nuclear plants have so much security that terrorists look elsewhere, “at a dam or a chemical plant instead,” he says. (Nukes of Hazard)
This affected the operational situation in Ukrainian plants:
The situation in Ukraine is very a serious concern. The country has 15 reactors operating at four nuclear power plants. Ukraine is proud of its nuclear capacity, but its new circumstances make then a cause for anxiety.
Three stations (South Ukraine, Rovno, and Khmelnitsky) are situated in the western side of the country and are not part of this discussion. The largest plant in Europe, Zaporozhe with its six 1000 MW VVER-1000 reactors, lies about 200 km from the combat zone.
Thermal energy supplies and networks in Ukraine have suffered during the war. Five large thermal power plants near Donbass now operate at reduced output and are periodically in outage due to lack of coal. A hit on the unit transformer at the Lugansk power plant resulted in a blaze which put the plant out of action, blacking out a large region. Towns and villages with a total population of about 700,000 had no power, including the major industrial centre of Lugansk.
Easily accessible power grids have had frequent damage. Power lines, transformers and substations have all been hit by shelling and there have been many cases of intentional damage to electrical infrastructure. The tragic deaths of grid personnel who were shot while inspecting and repairing equipment is a black page in the history of the Ukrainian energy industry. However, during the conflict station staff have continued to work despite the threat to life and limb and through these terrible circumstances thermal energy plants have continued to generate electricity.
Kovynev, 2015
In the age of intercontinental missiles one has to count really every single last one of nuclear reactors near a potential war zone.
In recent years, we have added rhetoric of "heroic deeds being worthwhile", from quite a few sides. The means not only big rockets or errant shells are a threat. As those plants are all at least possibly quite dirty bombs in fixed positions, a small truck driven by one mad man or madam was and still is sufficient. Motivations for such an action are handed out by the dozens nowadays.
In fact some mad men are really convinced that connecting such things to "the grid" not only means simple powerlines, but electronic communications as well. Things like Stuxnet make the Vulnerability of nuclear plants to attack just so much easier, not even requiring any physical presence at all.
Military attacks
Nuclear reactors become preferred targets during military conflict and, over the past three decades, have been repeatedly attacked during military air strikes, occupations, invasions and campaigns:
- On 25 March 1973, before its completion, the Atucha I Nuclear Power Plant in Argentina was temporarily captured by the People's Revolutionary Army who stole a FMK-3 submachine gun and three .45 caliber handguns. When they retired they had a confrontation with the police, injuring two police officers.
- In September 1980, Iran bombed the Al Tuwaitha nuclear complex in Iraq, in Operation Scorch Sword, which was a surprise IRIAF (Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force) airstrike carried out on 30 September 1980, that damaged an almost complete nuclear reactor 17 km south-east of Baghdad, Iraq.
- In June 1981, Operation Opera was an Israeli air strike that completely destroyed Iraq's Osirak nuclear research facility.
- Between 1984 and 1987, Iraq bombed Iran's Bushehr nuclear plant six times.
- In 1991, the U.S. bombed three nuclear reactors and an enrichment pilot facility in Iraq.
- In 1991, Iraq launched Scud missiles at Israel's Dimona nuclear power plant.
- In September 2007, Israel bombed a Syrian reactor under construction.
Given the expert opinion of Alexey Kovynev in Nuclear plants in war zones (2015), he also lists:
- Yugoslavia, ten-day war
- The Iran-Iraq war
- Bombing of nuclear reactors in Iraq
- Destruction of reactor in Syria
- Indo-Pakistani conflicts
- Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict
- Ukrainian conflict
If already accused of "writing an essay", I can do that as well then:
Q … modern commercial nuclear power plants (CANDU, PWR, BWR of generation II plus all of gen III and newer) are usually reasonably safe to operate…
is pro-nuke-energy misconception. "Nuclear safety" can be summarised elegantly with just a few words: there is none.
Q Nuclear power plants are the greatest risk to populace when run
That is correct. Just the sentence this fragment is contained in is longer than necessary.
Q I'm interested in instances of civil/commercial power station operations being affected, whether there at all was such an instance, and what lessons can be learned from it for a civilian not directly involved in operations but wanting an insight and understanding.
As shown above, one should not frame a question so narrow as to be no longer really useful. (In light of political opinion comments below: or reading a question so monotheistically as: there is just this one way, my way, of interpreting a question)
Taken the theoretical dangers, the unacceptable risks involved in the technology as such with very questionable profits for a few, the most important lesson that the history of atomic power is "do not use it commercially" at all. The actual examples of atomic power plants physically near a combat zone, located in, around or in the proximity of war-zones is unmanagable. Longer reaching weapons and now dedicated (and sometimes for pro-nukers with "irrational" motives) small groups to wreaking havoc shows that building and operating atomic power plants is on the same level of "good idea" as sweetening you food and drinks with lead-acetate. Sure, the taste is convincing. The effects on clear thinking seem equally comparable.
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Comments are not the place for a debate on the merits or otherwise of nuclear power.
– sempaiscuba♦
2 days ago
20
Yes, niceness of nuclear energy is off topic here, I almost stopped reading the answer at the atomic insanity. The section called military attacks lists almost exclusively military installations which are a natural target for an attack, the first listed has was not operation alt the time and thus the case doesn't inform us about what problems arise while running a power station with war raging about. armament reactors which all have to be count in - they don't, as is explicitly stated in the question. I'm sorry, all in all this looks more like a rant to me than an answer to the question.
– Pavel
2 days ago
8
the real criteria for damage: This isn't what the OP asked for. A sensible interpretation of the question is "was there a place where the staff could have evacuated leaving the plant to fail for lack of supervision?"
– chrylis
2 days ago
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Towards the end this answer is ok. Just need to remove the subjective language.
– axsvl77
2 days ago
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This is a deliberate attempt to fail to answer the question, while writing an essay.
– hobbs
2 days ago
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The Ten-Day War, in 1990, was Slovenia's war of independence from Yugoslavia. During this war, at least a few battles took places within 10-20 km of the Krško Nuclear Power Plant, which had been operating since 1983. The map from Wikipedia shows at least three battles in the vicinity; below, I've annotated the map with the Krško plant's location. (Note the scale in the lower right.)
Unfortunately, I have been unable to find any online English-language sources on how (or whether) the Krško plant was affected by the fighting. A 2015 article in Nuclear Engineering International claims that the plant remained operational during the war, but doesn't provide much more info:
The battlefield map shows that engagement took place along the road passing a few kilometres from the plant. About 70 people were killed during the conflict. The station remained in operation and there is no information on the impact of the conflict on the plant safety or equipment, although it was clearly a stressful experience for the plant personnel.
The cited figure of 70 casualties is for the entire war, not just the nearby battles; the Ten-Day War was neither prolonged nor intense.
7
@Pavel - You likely know more than I about this, but I understand a nuclear reactor isn't something you can go unplug from the wall if there's trouble.
– T.E.D.♦
2 days ago
4
@Pavel, it takes a while to shut a nuclear reactor down: even after you've inserted the control rods to stop the primary reaction, you still need to keep the cooling pumps running for a week or two until the secondary decay heat dies down. Starting a reactor back up is also a slow process.
– Mark
2 days ago
2
@T.E.D. You don’t unplug it from the wall, but you can transition the high power chain reaction to something more controllable (low power state, chain reaction shut down etc) which would be, for me, a logical thing to do. At least in Europe nuclear reactors are transitioned to low power for much less scary reasons than an armed conflict virtually at the gates (for example out-of-spec vibration on the turbine, which doesn’t affect niclear safety, although it is overall bad for business).
– Pavel
2 days ago
2
To explain - this is exactly why I asked the question, to find out how it worked out when the operators found themselves dangerously near a conflict, and it turns out in both cases (this and the Ukraine situation) kept running. The operators are usually very well versed in predictable situations leading to an unscheduled outage (e.g. keep the turbine running with this level of vibration and you ruin it) but an armed conflict is a highly unpredictable one and I’ve never seen a decision chart for such scenario as this. It’s just that I’m surprised (and motivated to find out more on this).
– Pavel
2 days ago
5
@Pavel I suspect part of the reason is that nobody really wants to damage the nuclear plant in a firefight. Conventional warfare is about acquiring territory and/or capital, and destroying the very things you're fighting for isn't really good strategy; and that's even before considering international political fallout. If you're the separatists responsible for destroying an NPP, UN probably isn't going to be very nice to you about your claims. Accidental damage is relatively unlikely, since the buildings are usually highly resilient. Fanatics like ISIS are a much bigger threat, of course.
– Luaan
yesterday
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The Ten-Day War, in 1990, was Slovenia's war of independence from Yugoslavia. During this war, at least a few battles took places within 10-20 km of the Krško Nuclear Power Plant, which had been operating since 1983. The map from Wikipedia shows at least three battles in the vicinity; below, I've annotated the map with the Krško plant's location. (Note the scale in the lower right.)
Unfortunately, I have been unable to find any online English-language sources on how (or whether) the Krško plant was affected by the fighting. A 2015 article in Nuclear Engineering International claims that the plant remained operational during the war, but doesn't provide much more info:
The battlefield map shows that engagement took place along the road passing a few kilometres from the plant. About 70 people were killed during the conflict. The station remained in operation and there is no information on the impact of the conflict on the plant safety or equipment, although it was clearly a stressful experience for the plant personnel.
The cited figure of 70 casualties is for the entire war, not just the nearby battles; the Ten-Day War was neither prolonged nor intense.
7
@Pavel - You likely know more than I about this, but I understand a nuclear reactor isn't something you can go unplug from the wall if there's trouble.
– T.E.D.♦
2 days ago
4
@Pavel, it takes a while to shut a nuclear reactor down: even after you've inserted the control rods to stop the primary reaction, you still need to keep the cooling pumps running for a week or two until the secondary decay heat dies down. Starting a reactor back up is also a slow process.
– Mark
2 days ago
2
@T.E.D. You don’t unplug it from the wall, but you can transition the high power chain reaction to something more controllable (low power state, chain reaction shut down etc) which would be, for me, a logical thing to do. At least in Europe nuclear reactors are transitioned to low power for much less scary reasons than an armed conflict virtually at the gates (for example out-of-spec vibration on the turbine, which doesn’t affect niclear safety, although it is overall bad for business).
– Pavel
2 days ago
2
To explain - this is exactly why I asked the question, to find out how it worked out when the operators found themselves dangerously near a conflict, and it turns out in both cases (this and the Ukraine situation) kept running. The operators are usually very well versed in predictable situations leading to an unscheduled outage (e.g. keep the turbine running with this level of vibration and you ruin it) but an armed conflict is a highly unpredictable one and I’ve never seen a decision chart for such scenario as this. It’s just that I’m surprised (and motivated to find out more on this).
– Pavel
2 days ago
5
@Pavel I suspect part of the reason is that nobody really wants to damage the nuclear plant in a firefight. Conventional warfare is about acquiring territory and/or capital, and destroying the very things you're fighting for isn't really good strategy; and that's even before considering international political fallout. If you're the separatists responsible for destroying an NPP, UN probably isn't going to be very nice to you about your claims. Accidental damage is relatively unlikely, since the buildings are usually highly resilient. Fanatics like ISIS are a much bigger threat, of course.
– Luaan
yesterday
|
show 5 more comments
The Ten-Day War, in 1990, was Slovenia's war of independence from Yugoslavia. During this war, at least a few battles took places within 10-20 km of the Krško Nuclear Power Plant, which had been operating since 1983. The map from Wikipedia shows at least three battles in the vicinity; below, I've annotated the map with the Krško plant's location. (Note the scale in the lower right.)
Unfortunately, I have been unable to find any online English-language sources on how (or whether) the Krško plant was affected by the fighting. A 2015 article in Nuclear Engineering International claims that the plant remained operational during the war, but doesn't provide much more info:
The battlefield map shows that engagement took place along the road passing a few kilometres from the plant. About 70 people were killed during the conflict. The station remained in operation and there is no information on the impact of the conflict on the plant safety or equipment, although it was clearly a stressful experience for the plant personnel.
The cited figure of 70 casualties is for the entire war, not just the nearby battles; the Ten-Day War was neither prolonged nor intense.
The Ten-Day War, in 1990, was Slovenia's war of independence from Yugoslavia. During this war, at least a few battles took places within 10-20 km of the Krško Nuclear Power Plant, which had been operating since 1983. The map from Wikipedia shows at least three battles in the vicinity; below, I've annotated the map with the Krško plant's location. (Note the scale in the lower right.)
Unfortunately, I have been unable to find any online English-language sources on how (or whether) the Krško plant was affected by the fighting. A 2015 article in Nuclear Engineering International claims that the plant remained operational during the war, but doesn't provide much more info:
The battlefield map shows that engagement took place along the road passing a few kilometres from the plant. About 70 people were killed during the conflict. The station remained in operation and there is no information on the impact of the conflict on the plant safety or equipment, although it was clearly a stressful experience for the plant personnel.
The cited figure of 70 casualties is for the entire war, not just the nearby battles; the Ten-Day War was neither prolonged nor intense.
edited 2 days ago
answered 2 days ago
Michael SeifertMichael Seifert
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@Pavel - You likely know more than I about this, but I understand a nuclear reactor isn't something you can go unplug from the wall if there's trouble.
– T.E.D.♦
2 days ago
4
@Pavel, it takes a while to shut a nuclear reactor down: even after you've inserted the control rods to stop the primary reaction, you still need to keep the cooling pumps running for a week or two until the secondary decay heat dies down. Starting a reactor back up is also a slow process.
– Mark
2 days ago
2
@T.E.D. You don’t unplug it from the wall, but you can transition the high power chain reaction to something more controllable (low power state, chain reaction shut down etc) which would be, for me, a logical thing to do. At least in Europe nuclear reactors are transitioned to low power for much less scary reasons than an armed conflict virtually at the gates (for example out-of-spec vibration on the turbine, which doesn’t affect niclear safety, although it is overall bad for business).
– Pavel
2 days ago
2
To explain - this is exactly why I asked the question, to find out how it worked out when the operators found themselves dangerously near a conflict, and it turns out in both cases (this and the Ukraine situation) kept running. The operators are usually very well versed in predictable situations leading to an unscheduled outage (e.g. keep the turbine running with this level of vibration and you ruin it) but an armed conflict is a highly unpredictable one and I’ve never seen a decision chart for such scenario as this. It’s just that I’m surprised (and motivated to find out more on this).
– Pavel
2 days ago
5
@Pavel I suspect part of the reason is that nobody really wants to damage the nuclear plant in a firefight. Conventional warfare is about acquiring territory and/or capital, and destroying the very things you're fighting for isn't really good strategy; and that's even before considering international political fallout. If you're the separatists responsible for destroying an NPP, UN probably isn't going to be very nice to you about your claims. Accidental damage is relatively unlikely, since the buildings are usually highly resilient. Fanatics like ISIS are a much bigger threat, of course.
– Luaan
yesterday
|
show 5 more comments
7
@Pavel - You likely know more than I about this, but I understand a nuclear reactor isn't something you can go unplug from the wall if there's trouble.
– T.E.D.♦
2 days ago
4
@Pavel, it takes a while to shut a nuclear reactor down: even after you've inserted the control rods to stop the primary reaction, you still need to keep the cooling pumps running for a week or two until the secondary decay heat dies down. Starting a reactor back up is also a slow process.
– Mark
2 days ago
2
@T.E.D. You don’t unplug it from the wall, but you can transition the high power chain reaction to something more controllable (low power state, chain reaction shut down etc) which would be, for me, a logical thing to do. At least in Europe nuclear reactors are transitioned to low power for much less scary reasons than an armed conflict virtually at the gates (for example out-of-spec vibration on the turbine, which doesn’t affect niclear safety, although it is overall bad for business).
– Pavel
2 days ago
2
To explain - this is exactly why I asked the question, to find out how it worked out when the operators found themselves dangerously near a conflict, and it turns out in both cases (this and the Ukraine situation) kept running. The operators are usually very well versed in predictable situations leading to an unscheduled outage (e.g. keep the turbine running with this level of vibration and you ruin it) but an armed conflict is a highly unpredictable one and I’ve never seen a decision chart for such scenario as this. It’s just that I’m surprised (and motivated to find out more on this).
– Pavel
2 days ago
5
@Pavel I suspect part of the reason is that nobody really wants to damage the nuclear plant in a firefight. Conventional warfare is about acquiring territory and/or capital, and destroying the very things you're fighting for isn't really good strategy; and that's even before considering international political fallout. If you're the separatists responsible for destroying an NPP, UN probably isn't going to be very nice to you about your claims. Accidental damage is relatively unlikely, since the buildings are usually highly resilient. Fanatics like ISIS are a much bigger threat, of course.
– Luaan
yesterday
7
7
@Pavel - You likely know more than I about this, but I understand a nuclear reactor isn't something you can go unplug from the wall if there's trouble.
– T.E.D.♦
2 days ago
@Pavel - You likely know more than I about this, but I understand a nuclear reactor isn't something you can go unplug from the wall if there's trouble.
– T.E.D.♦
2 days ago
4
4
@Pavel, it takes a while to shut a nuclear reactor down: even after you've inserted the control rods to stop the primary reaction, you still need to keep the cooling pumps running for a week or two until the secondary decay heat dies down. Starting a reactor back up is also a slow process.
– Mark
2 days ago
@Pavel, it takes a while to shut a nuclear reactor down: even after you've inserted the control rods to stop the primary reaction, you still need to keep the cooling pumps running for a week or two until the secondary decay heat dies down. Starting a reactor back up is also a slow process.
– Mark
2 days ago
2
2
@T.E.D. You don’t unplug it from the wall, but you can transition the high power chain reaction to something more controllable (low power state, chain reaction shut down etc) which would be, for me, a logical thing to do. At least in Europe nuclear reactors are transitioned to low power for much less scary reasons than an armed conflict virtually at the gates (for example out-of-spec vibration on the turbine, which doesn’t affect niclear safety, although it is overall bad for business).
– Pavel
2 days ago
@T.E.D. You don’t unplug it from the wall, but you can transition the high power chain reaction to something more controllable (low power state, chain reaction shut down etc) which would be, for me, a logical thing to do. At least in Europe nuclear reactors are transitioned to low power for much less scary reasons than an armed conflict virtually at the gates (for example out-of-spec vibration on the turbine, which doesn’t affect niclear safety, although it is overall bad for business).
– Pavel
2 days ago
2
2
To explain - this is exactly why I asked the question, to find out how it worked out when the operators found themselves dangerously near a conflict, and it turns out in both cases (this and the Ukraine situation) kept running. The operators are usually very well versed in predictable situations leading to an unscheduled outage (e.g. keep the turbine running with this level of vibration and you ruin it) but an armed conflict is a highly unpredictable one and I’ve never seen a decision chart for such scenario as this. It’s just that I’m surprised (and motivated to find out more on this).
– Pavel
2 days ago
To explain - this is exactly why I asked the question, to find out how it worked out when the operators found themselves dangerously near a conflict, and it turns out in both cases (this and the Ukraine situation) kept running. The operators are usually very well versed in predictable situations leading to an unscheduled outage (e.g. keep the turbine running with this level of vibration and you ruin it) but an armed conflict is a highly unpredictable one and I’ve never seen a decision chart for such scenario as this. It’s just that I’m surprised (and motivated to find out more on this).
– Pavel
2 days ago
5
5
@Pavel I suspect part of the reason is that nobody really wants to damage the nuclear plant in a firefight. Conventional warfare is about acquiring territory and/or capital, and destroying the very things you're fighting for isn't really good strategy; and that's even before considering international political fallout. If you're the separatists responsible for destroying an NPP, UN probably isn't going to be very nice to you about your claims. Accidental damage is relatively unlikely, since the buildings are usually highly resilient. Fanatics like ISIS are a much bigger threat, of course.
– Luaan
yesterday
@Pavel I suspect part of the reason is that nobody really wants to damage the nuclear plant in a firefight. Conventional warfare is about acquiring territory and/or capital, and destroying the very things you're fighting for isn't really good strategy; and that's even before considering international political fallout. If you're the separatists responsible for destroying an NPP, UN probably isn't going to be very nice to you about your claims. Accidental damage is relatively unlikely, since the buildings are usually highly resilient. Fanatics like ISIS are a much bigger threat, of course.
– Luaan
yesterday
|
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Best example I know of is the Zhaporizhia Nuclear Power Plant. Its in Southern Ukraine, which unfortunately put it right within the area that the Russians "separatist rebel forces" wanted to use to carve themselves a corridor of Russian territory through Ukraine to Crimea in 2014.
I don't believe the city itself was directly attacked, but it was at one point only about 200KM from the fighting in Donesk, and some armed separatists did at one point reportedly try to take over the nuclear plant. It was enough of a concern that the residents started calling up and arming militias, setting up checkpoints, and digging trenches to defend the city.
In case you were wondering, this plant does in fact use a different (and safer) reactor design than the Chernobyl plant. However, it has more reactors than a typical nuclear plant (6), which means more chances for something to go wrong in a reactor.
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We differ in our interpretation of 200km but this probably is the best example. My reading of the armed group that approached the city near the plant was something closer to civil disorder than warfare, but sources in English aren't clear.
– Chris H
2 days ago
This seems like the answer to me, if nothing worse comes up. The comments are quite informative as well.
– Pavel
2 days ago
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– T.E.D.♦
2 days ago
2
You could add a source for the photo (I suspect you are not the author).
– gerrit
yesterday
1
@gerrit - I did add the source. Its the hyperlink in the sentence right on top of the photo. Click it, you will see the photo (and the caption tanderson reported), and a whole bunch of supporting textual material.
– T.E.D.♦
yesterday
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Best example I know of is the Zhaporizhia Nuclear Power Plant. Its in Southern Ukraine, which unfortunately put it right within the area that the Russians "separatist rebel forces" wanted to use to carve themselves a corridor of Russian territory through Ukraine to Crimea in 2014.
I don't believe the city itself was directly attacked, but it was at one point only about 200KM from the fighting in Donesk, and some armed separatists did at one point reportedly try to take over the nuclear plant. It was enough of a concern that the residents started calling up and arming militias, setting up checkpoints, and digging trenches to defend the city.
In case you were wondering, this plant does in fact use a different (and safer) reactor design than the Chernobyl plant. However, it has more reactors than a typical nuclear plant (6), which means more chances for something to go wrong in a reactor.
4
We differ in our interpretation of 200km but this probably is the best example. My reading of the armed group that approached the city near the plant was something closer to civil disorder than warfare, but sources in English aren't clear.
– Chris H
2 days ago
This seems like the answer to me, if nothing worse comes up. The comments are quite informative as well.
– Pavel
2 days ago
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– T.E.D.♦
2 days ago
2
You could add a source for the photo (I suspect you are not the author).
– gerrit
yesterday
1
@gerrit - I did add the source. Its the hyperlink in the sentence right on top of the photo. Click it, you will see the photo (and the caption tanderson reported), and a whole bunch of supporting textual material.
– T.E.D.♦
yesterday
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show 1 more comment
Best example I know of is the Zhaporizhia Nuclear Power Plant. Its in Southern Ukraine, which unfortunately put it right within the area that the Russians "separatist rebel forces" wanted to use to carve themselves a corridor of Russian territory through Ukraine to Crimea in 2014.
I don't believe the city itself was directly attacked, but it was at one point only about 200KM from the fighting in Donesk, and some armed separatists did at one point reportedly try to take over the nuclear plant. It was enough of a concern that the residents started calling up and arming militias, setting up checkpoints, and digging trenches to defend the city.
In case you were wondering, this plant does in fact use a different (and safer) reactor design than the Chernobyl plant. However, it has more reactors than a typical nuclear plant (6), which means more chances for something to go wrong in a reactor.
Best example I know of is the Zhaporizhia Nuclear Power Plant. Its in Southern Ukraine, which unfortunately put it right within the area that the Russians "separatist rebel forces" wanted to use to carve themselves a corridor of Russian territory through Ukraine to Crimea in 2014.
I don't believe the city itself was directly attacked, but it was at one point only about 200KM from the fighting in Donesk, and some armed separatists did at one point reportedly try to take over the nuclear plant. It was enough of a concern that the residents started calling up and arming militias, setting up checkpoints, and digging trenches to defend the city.
In case you were wondering, this plant does in fact use a different (and safer) reactor design than the Chernobyl plant. However, it has more reactors than a typical nuclear plant (6), which means more chances for something to go wrong in a reactor.
edited 2 days ago
answered 2 days ago
T.E.D.♦T.E.D.
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We differ in our interpretation of 200km but this probably is the best example. My reading of the armed group that approached the city near the plant was something closer to civil disorder than warfare, but sources in English aren't clear.
– Chris H
2 days ago
This seems like the answer to me, if nothing worse comes up. The comments are quite informative as well.
– Pavel
2 days ago
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– T.E.D.♦
2 days ago
2
You could add a source for the photo (I suspect you are not the author).
– gerrit
yesterday
1
@gerrit - I did add the source. Its the hyperlink in the sentence right on top of the photo. Click it, you will see the photo (and the caption tanderson reported), and a whole bunch of supporting textual material.
– T.E.D.♦
yesterday
|
show 1 more comment
4
We differ in our interpretation of 200km but this probably is the best example. My reading of the armed group that approached the city near the plant was something closer to civil disorder than warfare, but sources in English aren't clear.
– Chris H
2 days ago
This seems like the answer to me, if nothing worse comes up. The comments are quite informative as well.
– Pavel
2 days ago
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– T.E.D.♦
2 days ago
2
You could add a source for the photo (I suspect you are not the author).
– gerrit
yesterday
1
@gerrit - I did add the source. Its the hyperlink in the sentence right on top of the photo. Click it, you will see the photo (and the caption tanderson reported), and a whole bunch of supporting textual material.
– T.E.D.♦
yesterday
4
4
We differ in our interpretation of 200km but this probably is the best example. My reading of the armed group that approached the city near the plant was something closer to civil disorder than warfare, but sources in English aren't clear.
– Chris H
2 days ago
We differ in our interpretation of 200km but this probably is the best example. My reading of the armed group that approached the city near the plant was something closer to civil disorder than warfare, but sources in English aren't clear.
– Chris H
2 days ago
This seems like the answer to me, if nothing worse comes up. The comments are quite informative as well.
– Pavel
2 days ago
This seems like the answer to me, if nothing worse comes up. The comments are quite informative as well.
– Pavel
2 days ago
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– T.E.D.♦
2 days ago
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– T.E.D.♦
2 days ago
2
2
You could add a source for the photo (I suspect you are not the author).
– gerrit
yesterday
You could add a source for the photo (I suspect you are not the author).
– gerrit
yesterday
1
1
@gerrit - I did add the source. Its the hyperlink in the sentence right on top of the photo. Click it, you will see the photo (and the caption tanderson reported), and a whole bunch of supporting textual material.
– T.E.D.♦
yesterday
@gerrit - I did add the source. Its the hyperlink in the sentence right on top of the photo. Click it, you will see the photo (and the caption tanderson reported), and a whole bunch of supporting textual material.
– T.E.D.♦
yesterday
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Dimona Nuclear Research center is not a commercial power plant but it is 50 miles from the border with Gaza, which is a permanent war zone.
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I don't think I'd personally call Dimona a 'war zone.' Be'ersheva is half that distance to Gaza and I wouldn't call it a 'war zone,' either, even if the occasional Hamas terrorist launches a rocket in that direction. That said, perhaps the situation was different during one of the many wars in the region. It would be interesting to see maps of how close hostile forces actually got to Dimona during, for example, the Yom Kippur War.
– reirab
2 days ago
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@reirab: Two MiGs (either Soviet or Egyptian, sources vary) flew over the facility shortly before the Six-Day War, but I suspect the OP is more interested in ground forces.
– Michael Seifert
2 days ago
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I don't care that much about the type of military force involved, but I'm mainly interested in civilian nuclear operation. Dimona is, IIRC highly classified operation with a mainly military purpose. I've edited the question to address the recurring question about why I'm not interested in primarily military nuclear operations.
– Pavel
2 days ago
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@reirab: I did not claim that Dimona in in the war zone. And in the question it was not defined what "near" means. Anyway, it is much closer to the war Zone than the Ukrainian station in Zaporizhzhia.
– Alex
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Dimona Nuclear Research center is not a commercial power plant but it is 50 miles from the border with Gaza, which is a permanent war zone.
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I don't think I'd personally call Dimona a 'war zone.' Be'ersheva is half that distance to Gaza and I wouldn't call it a 'war zone,' either, even if the occasional Hamas terrorist launches a rocket in that direction. That said, perhaps the situation was different during one of the many wars in the region. It would be interesting to see maps of how close hostile forces actually got to Dimona during, for example, the Yom Kippur War.
– reirab
2 days ago
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@reirab: Two MiGs (either Soviet or Egyptian, sources vary) flew over the facility shortly before the Six-Day War, but I suspect the OP is more interested in ground forces.
– Michael Seifert
2 days ago
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I don't care that much about the type of military force involved, but I'm mainly interested in civilian nuclear operation. Dimona is, IIRC highly classified operation with a mainly military purpose. I've edited the question to address the recurring question about why I'm not interested in primarily military nuclear operations.
– Pavel
2 days ago
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@reirab: I did not claim that Dimona in in the war zone. And in the question it was not defined what "near" means. Anyway, it is much closer to the war Zone than the Ukrainian station in Zaporizhzhia.
– Alex
2 days ago
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Dimona Nuclear Research center is not a commercial power plant but it is 50 miles from the border with Gaza, which is a permanent war zone.
Dimona Nuclear Research center is not a commercial power plant but it is 50 miles from the border with Gaza, which is a permanent war zone.
answered 2 days ago
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I don't think I'd personally call Dimona a 'war zone.' Be'ersheva is half that distance to Gaza and I wouldn't call it a 'war zone,' either, even if the occasional Hamas terrorist launches a rocket in that direction. That said, perhaps the situation was different during one of the many wars in the region. It would be interesting to see maps of how close hostile forces actually got to Dimona during, for example, the Yom Kippur War.
– reirab
2 days ago
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@reirab: Two MiGs (either Soviet or Egyptian, sources vary) flew over the facility shortly before the Six-Day War, but I suspect the OP is more interested in ground forces.
– Michael Seifert
2 days ago
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I don't care that much about the type of military force involved, but I'm mainly interested in civilian nuclear operation. Dimona is, IIRC highly classified operation with a mainly military purpose. I've edited the question to address the recurring question about why I'm not interested in primarily military nuclear operations.
– Pavel
2 days ago
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@reirab: I did not claim that Dimona in in the war zone. And in the question it was not defined what "near" means. Anyway, it is much closer to the war Zone than the Ukrainian station in Zaporizhzhia.
– Alex
2 days ago
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I don't think I'd personally call Dimona a 'war zone.' Be'ersheva is half that distance to Gaza and I wouldn't call it a 'war zone,' either, even if the occasional Hamas terrorist launches a rocket in that direction. That said, perhaps the situation was different during one of the many wars in the region. It would be interesting to see maps of how close hostile forces actually got to Dimona during, for example, the Yom Kippur War.
– reirab
2 days ago
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@reirab: Two MiGs (either Soviet or Egyptian, sources vary) flew over the facility shortly before the Six-Day War, but I suspect the OP is more interested in ground forces.
– Michael Seifert
2 days ago
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I don't care that much about the type of military force involved, but I'm mainly interested in civilian nuclear operation. Dimona is, IIRC highly classified operation with a mainly military purpose. I've edited the question to address the recurring question about why I'm not interested in primarily military nuclear operations.
– Pavel
2 days ago
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@reirab: I did not claim that Dimona in in the war zone. And in the question it was not defined what "near" means. Anyway, it is much closer to the war Zone than the Ukrainian station in Zaporizhzhia.
– Alex
2 days ago
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I don't think I'd personally call Dimona a 'war zone.' Be'ersheva is half that distance to Gaza and I wouldn't call it a 'war zone,' either, even if the occasional Hamas terrorist launches a rocket in that direction. That said, perhaps the situation was different during one of the many wars in the region. It would be interesting to see maps of how close hostile forces actually got to Dimona during, for example, the Yom Kippur War.
– reirab
2 days ago
I don't think I'd personally call Dimona a 'war zone.' Be'ersheva is half that distance to Gaza and I wouldn't call it a 'war zone,' either, even if the occasional Hamas terrorist launches a rocket in that direction. That said, perhaps the situation was different during one of the many wars in the region. It would be interesting to see maps of how close hostile forces actually got to Dimona during, for example, the Yom Kippur War.
– reirab
2 days ago
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@reirab: Two MiGs (either Soviet or Egyptian, sources vary) flew over the facility shortly before the Six-Day War, but I suspect the OP is more interested in ground forces.
– Michael Seifert
2 days ago
@reirab: Two MiGs (either Soviet or Egyptian, sources vary) flew over the facility shortly before the Six-Day War, but I suspect the OP is more interested in ground forces.
– Michael Seifert
2 days ago
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I don't care that much about the type of military force involved, but I'm mainly interested in civilian nuclear operation. Dimona is, IIRC highly classified operation with a mainly military purpose. I've edited the question to address the recurring question about why I'm not interested in primarily military nuclear operations.
– Pavel
2 days ago
I don't care that much about the type of military force involved, but I'm mainly interested in civilian nuclear operation. Dimona is, IIRC highly classified operation with a mainly military purpose. I've edited the question to address the recurring question about why I'm not interested in primarily military nuclear operations.
– Pavel
2 days ago
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@reirab: I did not claim that Dimona in in the war zone. And in the question it was not defined what "near" means. Anyway, it is much closer to the war Zone than the Ukrainian station in Zaporizhzhia.
– Alex
2 days ago
@reirab: I did not claim that Dimona in in the war zone. And in the question it was not defined what "near" means. Anyway, it is much closer to the war Zone than the Ukrainian station in Zaporizhzhia.
– Alex
2 days ago
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In 1981, Israel intentionally destroyed an Osiris-class research reactor. Basically, they flew in, bombed it to pieces, then flew away. While this was a just a sneak attack and not a part of protracted hostilities, it most certainly was an act of war.
Please read more about this on wikipedia.
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It was indeed a military action, but the facility was still under construction and there are valid reasons to believe it was not even built as civilian power generation station. I'm interested in civilian nuclear power operation being affected by conflict.
– Pavel
2 days ago
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It was definitely not a civilian (or any sort of) power generation station. You don't need 93% enriched Uranium for power generation. The claimed purpose of the reactor was for research, not nuclear power.
– reirab
2 days ago
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@reirab "Baghdad reiterated a previous statement that the French atomic reactor was designed for research and for the eventual production of electricity.". Just because HEU isn't generally used to generate power doesn't mean it's incapable of doing so: case in point US naval reactors(page 26): "use uranium enriched to at least 93%... a U.S. submarine reactor core contains an average of 200 kg of U-235 enriched to 97.3%"
– TemporalWolf
2 days ago
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@reirab There is a whole class of reactors, fast neutron reactors which use HEU, up to and including weapons-grade. There are real-life, currently running civilian power stations running on weapons-grade plutonium of this design. The design is also advantageous from a nuclear waste perspective. The claim that there "[t]he only valid reasons..." is not accurate. Although I still think this answer stands, even if the OP has since clarified to exclude it.
– TemporalWolf
2 days ago
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@TemporalWolf That's an experimental reactor. OP's original question asked only about "commercial nuclear power plants." The question itself hasn't changed at all. The edit just added an explanation for why OP wasn't asking about military facilities or other non-civilian-power-plant reactors, since people kept posting answers about other stuff.
– reirab
2 days ago
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In 1981, Israel intentionally destroyed an Osiris-class research reactor. Basically, they flew in, bombed it to pieces, then flew away. While this was a just a sneak attack and not a part of protracted hostilities, it most certainly was an act of war.
Please read more about this on wikipedia.
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It was indeed a military action, but the facility was still under construction and there are valid reasons to believe it was not even built as civilian power generation station. I'm interested in civilian nuclear power operation being affected by conflict.
– Pavel
2 days ago
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It was definitely not a civilian (or any sort of) power generation station. You don't need 93% enriched Uranium for power generation. The claimed purpose of the reactor was for research, not nuclear power.
– reirab
2 days ago
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@reirab "Baghdad reiterated a previous statement that the French atomic reactor was designed for research and for the eventual production of electricity.". Just because HEU isn't generally used to generate power doesn't mean it's incapable of doing so: case in point US naval reactors(page 26): "use uranium enriched to at least 93%... a U.S. submarine reactor core contains an average of 200 kg of U-235 enriched to 97.3%"
– TemporalWolf
2 days ago
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@reirab There is a whole class of reactors, fast neutron reactors which use HEU, up to and including weapons-grade. There are real-life, currently running civilian power stations running on weapons-grade plutonium of this design. The design is also advantageous from a nuclear waste perspective. The claim that there "[t]he only valid reasons..." is not accurate. Although I still think this answer stands, even if the OP has since clarified to exclude it.
– TemporalWolf
2 days ago
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@TemporalWolf That's an experimental reactor. OP's original question asked only about "commercial nuclear power plants." The question itself hasn't changed at all. The edit just added an explanation for why OP wasn't asking about military facilities or other non-civilian-power-plant reactors, since people kept posting answers about other stuff.
– reirab
2 days ago
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In 1981, Israel intentionally destroyed an Osiris-class research reactor. Basically, they flew in, bombed it to pieces, then flew away. While this was a just a sneak attack and not a part of protracted hostilities, it most certainly was an act of war.
Please read more about this on wikipedia.
In 1981, Israel intentionally destroyed an Osiris-class research reactor. Basically, they flew in, bombed it to pieces, then flew away. While this was a just a sneak attack and not a part of protracted hostilities, it most certainly was an act of war.
Please read more about this on wikipedia.
answered 2 days ago
axsvl77axsvl77
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It was indeed a military action, but the facility was still under construction and there are valid reasons to believe it was not even built as civilian power generation station. I'm interested in civilian nuclear power operation being affected by conflict.
– Pavel
2 days ago
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It was definitely not a civilian (or any sort of) power generation station. You don't need 93% enriched Uranium for power generation. The claimed purpose of the reactor was for research, not nuclear power.
– reirab
2 days ago
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@reirab "Baghdad reiterated a previous statement that the French atomic reactor was designed for research and for the eventual production of electricity.". Just because HEU isn't generally used to generate power doesn't mean it's incapable of doing so: case in point US naval reactors(page 26): "use uranium enriched to at least 93%... a U.S. submarine reactor core contains an average of 200 kg of U-235 enriched to 97.3%"
– TemporalWolf
2 days ago
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@reirab There is a whole class of reactors, fast neutron reactors which use HEU, up to and including weapons-grade. There are real-life, currently running civilian power stations running on weapons-grade plutonium of this design. The design is also advantageous from a nuclear waste perspective. The claim that there "[t]he only valid reasons..." is not accurate. Although I still think this answer stands, even if the OP has since clarified to exclude it.
– TemporalWolf
2 days ago
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@TemporalWolf That's an experimental reactor. OP's original question asked only about "commercial nuclear power plants." The question itself hasn't changed at all. The edit just added an explanation for why OP wasn't asking about military facilities or other non-civilian-power-plant reactors, since people kept posting answers about other stuff.
– reirab
2 days ago
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It was indeed a military action, but the facility was still under construction and there are valid reasons to believe it was not even built as civilian power generation station. I'm interested in civilian nuclear power operation being affected by conflict.
– Pavel
2 days ago
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It was definitely not a civilian (or any sort of) power generation station. You don't need 93% enriched Uranium for power generation. The claimed purpose of the reactor was for research, not nuclear power.
– reirab
2 days ago
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@reirab "Baghdad reiterated a previous statement that the French atomic reactor was designed for research and for the eventual production of electricity.". Just because HEU isn't generally used to generate power doesn't mean it's incapable of doing so: case in point US naval reactors(page 26): "use uranium enriched to at least 93%... a U.S. submarine reactor core contains an average of 200 kg of U-235 enriched to 97.3%"
– TemporalWolf
2 days ago
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@reirab There is a whole class of reactors, fast neutron reactors which use HEU, up to and including weapons-grade. There are real-life, currently running civilian power stations running on weapons-grade plutonium of this design. The design is also advantageous from a nuclear waste perspective. The claim that there "[t]he only valid reasons..." is not accurate. Although I still think this answer stands, even if the OP has since clarified to exclude it.
– TemporalWolf
2 days ago
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@TemporalWolf That's an experimental reactor. OP's original question asked only about "commercial nuclear power plants." The question itself hasn't changed at all. The edit just added an explanation for why OP wasn't asking about military facilities or other non-civilian-power-plant reactors, since people kept posting answers about other stuff.
– reirab
2 days ago
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It was indeed a military action, but the facility was still under construction and there are valid reasons to believe it was not even built as civilian power generation station. I'm interested in civilian nuclear power operation being affected by conflict.
– Pavel
2 days ago
It was indeed a military action, but the facility was still under construction and there are valid reasons to believe it was not even built as civilian power generation station. I'm interested in civilian nuclear power operation being affected by conflict.
– Pavel
2 days ago
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It was definitely not a civilian (or any sort of) power generation station. You don't need 93% enriched Uranium for power generation. The claimed purpose of the reactor was for research, not nuclear power.
– reirab
2 days ago
It was definitely not a civilian (or any sort of) power generation station. You don't need 93% enriched Uranium for power generation. The claimed purpose of the reactor was for research, not nuclear power.
– reirab
2 days ago
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@reirab "Baghdad reiterated a previous statement that the French atomic reactor was designed for research and for the eventual production of electricity.". Just because HEU isn't generally used to generate power doesn't mean it's incapable of doing so: case in point US naval reactors(page 26): "use uranium enriched to at least 93%... a U.S. submarine reactor core contains an average of 200 kg of U-235 enriched to 97.3%"
– TemporalWolf
2 days ago
@reirab "Baghdad reiterated a previous statement that the French atomic reactor was designed for research and for the eventual production of electricity.". Just because HEU isn't generally used to generate power doesn't mean it's incapable of doing so: case in point US naval reactors(page 26): "use uranium enriched to at least 93%... a U.S. submarine reactor core contains an average of 200 kg of U-235 enriched to 97.3%"
– TemporalWolf
2 days ago
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@reirab There is a whole class of reactors, fast neutron reactors which use HEU, up to and including weapons-grade. There are real-life, currently running civilian power stations running on weapons-grade plutonium of this design. The design is also advantageous from a nuclear waste perspective. The claim that there "[t]he only valid reasons..." is not accurate. Although I still think this answer stands, even if the OP has since clarified to exclude it.
– TemporalWolf
2 days ago
@reirab There is a whole class of reactors, fast neutron reactors which use HEU, up to and including weapons-grade. There are real-life, currently running civilian power stations running on weapons-grade plutonium of this design. The design is also advantageous from a nuclear waste perspective. The claim that there "[t]he only valid reasons..." is not accurate. Although I still think this answer stands, even if the OP has since clarified to exclude it.
– TemporalWolf
2 days ago
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@TemporalWolf That's an experimental reactor. OP's original question asked only about "commercial nuclear power plants." The question itself hasn't changed at all. The edit just added an explanation for why OP wasn't asking about military facilities or other non-civilian-power-plant reactors, since people kept posting answers about other stuff.
– reirab
2 days ago
@TemporalWolf That's an experimental reactor. OP's original question asked only about "commercial nuclear power plants." The question itself hasn't changed at all. The edit just added an explanation for why OP wasn't asking about military facilities or other non-civilian-power-plant reactors, since people kept posting answers about other stuff.
– reirab
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Q Has there ever been an instance of an active nuclear power plant within or near a war zone?
Yes, quite a lot. And even one would have been one too many.
Directly attacked or "affected" active plants were found in Israel, Ukraine and Yugoslavia. Proving in every instance that supporting atomic power is an untenable position.
Q The reasoning is that military installations are built for the purpose of a military conflict (either conducting or preventing it) and thus are built, supplied and run with an armed conflict in mind.
That is wishful thinking as it is prevalent in pro-atom circles of all colours. All reactors are built with "this doesn't blow up" in mind. And yet, Windscale, Three-Mile-Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima are just the most prominent examples where "shit happens" was the ansewr to "what could *possibly go wrong?" Reactors for the military are not safer than "commercial" plants. Even if they were: why then build knowingly and on purpose less secure atomic reactors for commercial use?
It seems irrelevant to focus on "commercial" and "active" reactors, as the real criteria for damage are more likely "contains radioactive material to be spread when hit". That would include pre-operational and post-operational reactors. Whether they are commercial or strictly military or research doesn't factor in case of catastrophe facilitated by a war.
We might have to define "war zone" further: if the US wages "war on terror", and considered itself under attack of the homeland (ie a war zone in 2001) – would that make all its nuclear installations count? And all those in or near the countries bombed or invaded?
In centuries gone by a "war zone" might have been precisely declared. Since we now seem to prefer asymmetrical warfare, this definition is no longer that useful. Mere proximity or distance to infantry fighting on the ground was no safe haven for for example Serbian, Afghan, or Yemeni people.
If not, we might still look at the map of atomic insanity to get a stricter measurement of reactors at risk of being targets:
via Carbon Brief (https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-the-worlds-nuclear-power-plants)
And correlate the dates of construction and "connectedness to the grid" with the list armed conflicts
List of wars 1945–1989
List of wars 1990–2002
List of wars 2003–present
This is a bit misleading, as the map above is not listing secret or formerly secret armament reactors, which all have to be counted in. Equally, "research reactors" can be tiny or really unnecessarily large – for real research. But it appears that regardless of size and therefore danger, facilities simply declared "for research" (like Egypt's, Libya's or North Korea's?) are just not listed.
For example the Shimon Peres Negev Nuclear Research Center (aka "Dimona") was used by Israel to enrich enough fission material to construct bombs. This went online between 1962–1964 and obviously – that strip of land is awfully small – would be a quite vulnaerable target at least as early during 1973 Arab–Israeli War (Yom Kippur).
Since then it was repeatedly attacked. Iran is supposedly targeting it constantly, but Iraq actually launched rockets in 1991 at it and Hamas does so now. (Although with low accuracy, for now.)
The response to that was that Israel first stepped up air-defenses, a few times, and by now is said to have shut down the reactor. How the personnel reacted in all of those incidents is typically not reported. Since the plant wasn't really hit, they may have never learned of the danger when it was imminent, only later.
The same goes for India and Pakistan, at the latest in 1999, as India detonated "Smiling Buddha" in 1974 and Pakistan had equally enough installations to declare itself on-par with "Chagai-I" in 1998.
Supporters of nuclear power are cynical enough to discount the plants as endangered, as both countries have refrained from all-out-war and now have mobile bombs as well. That is of course wrongheadedly downplaying the reach of weapons available to both sides.
As the Korean War is not offiically really "over", just being an armistice, one might just look at the surroundings of the peninsula:
This is further complicated as internal struggles and civil wars could very easily turn a bit ugly if the plants get targeted.
As is the case with the conflicts in Ukraine, which make also some indisputably Russian reactors "near" a zone of conflict. The Washington posts counts 15 Ukrainian reactors alone in this war zone.
“You need to make sure you have enough security that so bad guys don’t do what the tsunami did to Fukushima — cutting off the power and disabling the backup power to start a meltdown,” Bunn says. Most nuclear plants have so much security that terrorists look elsewhere, “at a dam or a chemical plant instead,” he says. (Nukes of Hazard)
This affected the operational situation in Ukrainian plants:
The situation in Ukraine is very a serious concern. The country has 15 reactors operating at four nuclear power plants. Ukraine is proud of its nuclear capacity, but its new circumstances make then a cause for anxiety.
Three stations (South Ukraine, Rovno, and Khmelnitsky) are situated in the western side of the country and are not part of this discussion. The largest plant in Europe, Zaporozhe with its six 1000 MW VVER-1000 reactors, lies about 200 km from the combat zone.
Thermal energy supplies and networks in Ukraine have suffered during the war. Five large thermal power plants near Donbass now operate at reduced output and are periodically in outage due to lack of coal. A hit on the unit transformer at the Lugansk power plant resulted in a blaze which put the plant out of action, blacking out a large region. Towns and villages with a total population of about 700,000 had no power, including the major industrial centre of Lugansk.
Easily accessible power grids have had frequent damage. Power lines, transformers and substations have all been hit by shelling and there have been many cases of intentional damage to electrical infrastructure. The tragic deaths of grid personnel who were shot while inspecting and repairing equipment is a black page in the history of the Ukrainian energy industry. However, during the conflict station staff have continued to work despite the threat to life and limb and through these terrible circumstances thermal energy plants have continued to generate electricity.
Kovynev, 2015
In the age of intercontinental missiles one has to count really every single last one of nuclear reactors near a potential war zone.
In recent years, we have added rhetoric of "heroic deeds being worthwhile", from quite a few sides. The means not only big rockets or errant shells are a threat. As those plants are all at least possibly quite dirty bombs in fixed positions, a small truck driven by one mad man or madam was and still is sufficient. Motivations for such an action are handed out by the dozens nowadays.
In fact some mad men are really convinced that connecting such things to "the grid" not only means simple powerlines, but electronic communications as well. Things like Stuxnet make the Vulnerability of nuclear plants to attack just so much easier, not even requiring any physical presence at all.
Military attacks
Nuclear reactors become preferred targets during military conflict and, over the past three decades, have been repeatedly attacked during military air strikes, occupations, invasions and campaigns:
- On 25 March 1973, before its completion, the Atucha I Nuclear Power Plant in Argentina was temporarily captured by the People's Revolutionary Army who stole a FMK-3 submachine gun and three .45 caliber handguns. When they retired they had a confrontation with the police, injuring two police officers.
- In September 1980, Iran bombed the Al Tuwaitha nuclear complex in Iraq, in Operation Scorch Sword, which was a surprise IRIAF (Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force) airstrike carried out on 30 September 1980, that damaged an almost complete nuclear reactor 17 km south-east of Baghdad, Iraq.
- In June 1981, Operation Opera was an Israeli air strike that completely destroyed Iraq's Osirak nuclear research facility.
- Between 1984 and 1987, Iraq bombed Iran's Bushehr nuclear plant six times.
- In 1991, the U.S. bombed three nuclear reactors and an enrichment pilot facility in Iraq.
- In 1991, Iraq launched Scud missiles at Israel's Dimona nuclear power plant.
- In September 2007, Israel bombed a Syrian reactor under construction.
Given the expert opinion of Alexey Kovynev in Nuclear plants in war zones (2015), he also lists:
- Yugoslavia, ten-day war
- The Iran-Iraq war
- Bombing of nuclear reactors in Iraq
- Destruction of reactor in Syria
- Indo-Pakistani conflicts
- Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict
- Ukrainian conflict
If already accused of "writing an essay", I can do that as well then:
Q … modern commercial nuclear power plants (CANDU, PWR, BWR of generation II plus all of gen III and newer) are usually reasonably safe to operate…
is pro-nuke-energy misconception. "Nuclear safety" can be summarised elegantly with just a few words: there is none.
Q Nuclear power plants are the greatest risk to populace when run
That is correct. Just the sentence this fragment is contained in is longer than necessary.
Q I'm interested in instances of civil/commercial power station operations being affected, whether there at all was such an instance, and what lessons can be learned from it for a civilian not directly involved in operations but wanting an insight and understanding.
As shown above, one should not frame a question so narrow as to be no longer really useful. (In light of political opinion comments below: or reading a question so monotheistically as: there is just this one way, my way, of interpreting a question)
Taken the theoretical dangers, the unacceptable risks involved in the technology as such with very questionable profits for a few, the most important lesson that the history of atomic power is "do not use it commercially" at all. The actual examples of atomic power plants physically near a combat zone, located in, around or in the proximity of war-zones is unmanagable. Longer reaching weapons and now dedicated (and sometimes for pro-nukers with "irrational" motives) small groups to wreaking havoc shows that building and operating atomic power plants is on the same level of "good idea" as sweetening you food and drinks with lead-acetate. Sure, the taste is convincing. The effects on clear thinking seem equally comparable.
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Comments are not the place for a debate on the merits or otherwise of nuclear power.
– sempaiscuba♦
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Yes, niceness of nuclear energy is off topic here, I almost stopped reading the answer at the atomic insanity. The section called military attacks lists almost exclusively military installations which are a natural target for an attack, the first listed has was not operation alt the time and thus the case doesn't inform us about what problems arise while running a power station with war raging about. armament reactors which all have to be count in - they don't, as is explicitly stated in the question. I'm sorry, all in all this looks more like a rant to me than an answer to the question.
– Pavel
2 days ago
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the real criteria for damage: This isn't what the OP asked for. A sensible interpretation of the question is "was there a place where the staff could have evacuated leaving the plant to fail for lack of supervision?"
– chrylis
2 days ago
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Towards the end this answer is ok. Just need to remove the subjective language.
– axsvl77
2 days ago
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This is a deliberate attempt to fail to answer the question, while writing an essay.
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Q Has there ever been an instance of an active nuclear power plant within or near a war zone?
Yes, quite a lot. And even one would have been one too many.
Directly attacked or "affected" active plants were found in Israel, Ukraine and Yugoslavia. Proving in every instance that supporting atomic power is an untenable position.
Q The reasoning is that military installations are built for the purpose of a military conflict (either conducting or preventing it) and thus are built, supplied and run with an armed conflict in mind.
That is wishful thinking as it is prevalent in pro-atom circles of all colours. All reactors are built with "this doesn't blow up" in mind. And yet, Windscale, Three-Mile-Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima are just the most prominent examples where "shit happens" was the ansewr to "what could *possibly go wrong?" Reactors for the military are not safer than "commercial" plants. Even if they were: why then build knowingly and on purpose less secure atomic reactors for commercial use?
It seems irrelevant to focus on "commercial" and "active" reactors, as the real criteria for damage are more likely "contains radioactive material to be spread when hit". That would include pre-operational and post-operational reactors. Whether they are commercial or strictly military or research doesn't factor in case of catastrophe facilitated by a war.
We might have to define "war zone" further: if the US wages "war on terror", and considered itself under attack of the homeland (ie a war zone in 2001) – would that make all its nuclear installations count? And all those in or near the countries bombed or invaded?
In centuries gone by a "war zone" might have been precisely declared. Since we now seem to prefer asymmetrical warfare, this definition is no longer that useful. Mere proximity or distance to infantry fighting on the ground was no safe haven for for example Serbian, Afghan, or Yemeni people.
If not, we might still look at the map of atomic insanity to get a stricter measurement of reactors at risk of being targets:
via Carbon Brief (https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-the-worlds-nuclear-power-plants)
And correlate the dates of construction and "connectedness to the grid" with the list armed conflicts
List of wars 1945–1989
List of wars 1990–2002
List of wars 2003–present
This is a bit misleading, as the map above is not listing secret or formerly secret armament reactors, which all have to be counted in. Equally, "research reactors" can be tiny or really unnecessarily large – for real research. But it appears that regardless of size and therefore danger, facilities simply declared "for research" (like Egypt's, Libya's or North Korea's?) are just not listed.
For example the Shimon Peres Negev Nuclear Research Center (aka "Dimona") was used by Israel to enrich enough fission material to construct bombs. This went online between 1962–1964 and obviously – that strip of land is awfully small – would be a quite vulnaerable target at least as early during 1973 Arab–Israeli War (Yom Kippur).
Since then it was repeatedly attacked. Iran is supposedly targeting it constantly, but Iraq actually launched rockets in 1991 at it and Hamas does so now. (Although with low accuracy, for now.)
The response to that was that Israel first stepped up air-defenses, a few times, and by now is said to have shut down the reactor. How the personnel reacted in all of those incidents is typically not reported. Since the plant wasn't really hit, they may have never learned of the danger when it was imminent, only later.
The same goes for India and Pakistan, at the latest in 1999, as India detonated "Smiling Buddha" in 1974 and Pakistan had equally enough installations to declare itself on-par with "Chagai-I" in 1998.
Supporters of nuclear power are cynical enough to discount the plants as endangered, as both countries have refrained from all-out-war and now have mobile bombs as well. That is of course wrongheadedly downplaying the reach of weapons available to both sides.
As the Korean War is not offiically really "over", just being an armistice, one might just look at the surroundings of the peninsula:
This is further complicated as internal struggles and civil wars could very easily turn a bit ugly if the plants get targeted.
As is the case with the conflicts in Ukraine, which make also some indisputably Russian reactors "near" a zone of conflict. The Washington posts counts 15 Ukrainian reactors alone in this war zone.
“You need to make sure you have enough security that so bad guys don’t do what the tsunami did to Fukushima — cutting off the power and disabling the backup power to start a meltdown,” Bunn says. Most nuclear plants have so much security that terrorists look elsewhere, “at a dam or a chemical plant instead,” he says. (Nukes of Hazard)
This affected the operational situation in Ukrainian plants:
The situation in Ukraine is very a serious concern. The country has 15 reactors operating at four nuclear power plants. Ukraine is proud of its nuclear capacity, but its new circumstances make then a cause for anxiety.
Three stations (South Ukraine, Rovno, and Khmelnitsky) are situated in the western side of the country and are not part of this discussion. The largest plant in Europe, Zaporozhe with its six 1000 MW VVER-1000 reactors, lies about 200 km from the combat zone.
Thermal energy supplies and networks in Ukraine have suffered during the war. Five large thermal power plants near Donbass now operate at reduced output and are periodically in outage due to lack of coal. A hit on the unit transformer at the Lugansk power plant resulted in a blaze which put the plant out of action, blacking out a large region. Towns and villages with a total population of about 700,000 had no power, including the major industrial centre of Lugansk.
Easily accessible power grids have had frequent damage. Power lines, transformers and substations have all been hit by shelling and there have been many cases of intentional damage to electrical infrastructure. The tragic deaths of grid personnel who were shot while inspecting and repairing equipment is a black page in the history of the Ukrainian energy industry. However, during the conflict station staff have continued to work despite the threat to life and limb and through these terrible circumstances thermal energy plants have continued to generate electricity.
Kovynev, 2015
In the age of intercontinental missiles one has to count really every single last one of nuclear reactors near a potential war zone.
In recent years, we have added rhetoric of "heroic deeds being worthwhile", from quite a few sides. The means not only big rockets or errant shells are a threat. As those plants are all at least possibly quite dirty bombs in fixed positions, a small truck driven by one mad man or madam was and still is sufficient. Motivations for such an action are handed out by the dozens nowadays.
In fact some mad men are really convinced that connecting such things to "the grid" not only means simple powerlines, but electronic communications as well. Things like Stuxnet make the Vulnerability of nuclear plants to attack just so much easier, not even requiring any physical presence at all.
Military attacks
Nuclear reactors become preferred targets during military conflict and, over the past three decades, have been repeatedly attacked during military air strikes, occupations, invasions and campaigns:
- On 25 March 1973, before its completion, the Atucha I Nuclear Power Plant in Argentina was temporarily captured by the People's Revolutionary Army who stole a FMK-3 submachine gun and three .45 caliber handguns. When they retired they had a confrontation with the police, injuring two police officers.
- In September 1980, Iran bombed the Al Tuwaitha nuclear complex in Iraq, in Operation Scorch Sword, which was a surprise IRIAF (Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force) airstrike carried out on 30 September 1980, that damaged an almost complete nuclear reactor 17 km south-east of Baghdad, Iraq.
- In June 1981, Operation Opera was an Israeli air strike that completely destroyed Iraq's Osirak nuclear research facility.
- Between 1984 and 1987, Iraq bombed Iran's Bushehr nuclear plant six times.
- In 1991, the U.S. bombed three nuclear reactors and an enrichment pilot facility in Iraq.
- In 1991, Iraq launched Scud missiles at Israel's Dimona nuclear power plant.
- In September 2007, Israel bombed a Syrian reactor under construction.
Given the expert opinion of Alexey Kovynev in Nuclear plants in war zones (2015), he also lists:
- Yugoslavia, ten-day war
- The Iran-Iraq war
- Bombing of nuclear reactors in Iraq
- Destruction of reactor in Syria
- Indo-Pakistani conflicts
- Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict
- Ukrainian conflict
If already accused of "writing an essay", I can do that as well then:
Q … modern commercial nuclear power plants (CANDU, PWR, BWR of generation II plus all of gen III and newer) are usually reasonably safe to operate…
is pro-nuke-energy misconception. "Nuclear safety" can be summarised elegantly with just a few words: there is none.
Q Nuclear power plants are the greatest risk to populace when run
That is correct. Just the sentence this fragment is contained in is longer than necessary.
Q I'm interested in instances of civil/commercial power station operations being affected, whether there at all was such an instance, and what lessons can be learned from it for a civilian not directly involved in operations but wanting an insight and understanding.
As shown above, one should not frame a question so narrow as to be no longer really useful. (In light of political opinion comments below: or reading a question so monotheistically as: there is just this one way, my way, of interpreting a question)
Taken the theoretical dangers, the unacceptable risks involved in the technology as such with very questionable profits for a few, the most important lesson that the history of atomic power is "do not use it commercially" at all. The actual examples of atomic power plants physically near a combat zone, located in, around or in the proximity of war-zones is unmanagable. Longer reaching weapons and now dedicated (and sometimes for pro-nukers with "irrational" motives) small groups to wreaking havoc shows that building and operating atomic power plants is on the same level of "good idea" as sweetening you food and drinks with lead-acetate. Sure, the taste is convincing. The effects on clear thinking seem equally comparable.
7
Comments are not the place for a debate on the merits or otherwise of nuclear power.
– sempaiscuba♦
2 days ago
20
Yes, niceness of nuclear energy is off topic here, I almost stopped reading the answer at the atomic insanity. The section called military attacks lists almost exclusively military installations which are a natural target for an attack, the first listed has was not operation alt the time and thus the case doesn't inform us about what problems arise while running a power station with war raging about. armament reactors which all have to be count in - they don't, as is explicitly stated in the question. I'm sorry, all in all this looks more like a rant to me than an answer to the question.
– Pavel
2 days ago
8
the real criteria for damage: This isn't what the OP asked for. A sensible interpretation of the question is "was there a place where the staff could have evacuated leaving the plant to fail for lack of supervision?"
– chrylis
2 days ago
8
Towards the end this answer is ok. Just need to remove the subjective language.
– axsvl77
2 days ago
21
This is a deliberate attempt to fail to answer the question, while writing an essay.
– hobbs
2 days ago
|
show 5 more comments
Q Has there ever been an instance of an active nuclear power plant within or near a war zone?
Yes, quite a lot. And even one would have been one too many.
Directly attacked or "affected" active plants were found in Israel, Ukraine and Yugoslavia. Proving in every instance that supporting atomic power is an untenable position.
Q The reasoning is that military installations are built for the purpose of a military conflict (either conducting or preventing it) and thus are built, supplied and run with an armed conflict in mind.
That is wishful thinking as it is prevalent in pro-atom circles of all colours. All reactors are built with "this doesn't blow up" in mind. And yet, Windscale, Three-Mile-Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima are just the most prominent examples where "shit happens" was the ansewr to "what could *possibly go wrong?" Reactors for the military are not safer than "commercial" plants. Even if they were: why then build knowingly and on purpose less secure atomic reactors for commercial use?
It seems irrelevant to focus on "commercial" and "active" reactors, as the real criteria for damage are more likely "contains radioactive material to be spread when hit". That would include pre-operational and post-operational reactors. Whether they are commercial or strictly military or research doesn't factor in case of catastrophe facilitated by a war.
We might have to define "war zone" further: if the US wages "war on terror", and considered itself under attack of the homeland (ie a war zone in 2001) – would that make all its nuclear installations count? And all those in or near the countries bombed or invaded?
In centuries gone by a "war zone" might have been precisely declared. Since we now seem to prefer asymmetrical warfare, this definition is no longer that useful. Mere proximity or distance to infantry fighting on the ground was no safe haven for for example Serbian, Afghan, or Yemeni people.
If not, we might still look at the map of atomic insanity to get a stricter measurement of reactors at risk of being targets:
via Carbon Brief (https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-the-worlds-nuclear-power-plants)
And correlate the dates of construction and "connectedness to the grid" with the list armed conflicts
List of wars 1945–1989
List of wars 1990–2002
List of wars 2003–present
This is a bit misleading, as the map above is not listing secret or formerly secret armament reactors, which all have to be counted in. Equally, "research reactors" can be tiny or really unnecessarily large – for real research. But it appears that regardless of size and therefore danger, facilities simply declared "for research" (like Egypt's, Libya's or North Korea's?) are just not listed.
For example the Shimon Peres Negev Nuclear Research Center (aka "Dimona") was used by Israel to enrich enough fission material to construct bombs. This went online between 1962–1964 and obviously – that strip of land is awfully small – would be a quite vulnaerable target at least as early during 1973 Arab–Israeli War (Yom Kippur).
Since then it was repeatedly attacked. Iran is supposedly targeting it constantly, but Iraq actually launched rockets in 1991 at it and Hamas does so now. (Although with low accuracy, for now.)
The response to that was that Israel first stepped up air-defenses, a few times, and by now is said to have shut down the reactor. How the personnel reacted in all of those incidents is typically not reported. Since the plant wasn't really hit, they may have never learned of the danger when it was imminent, only later.
The same goes for India and Pakistan, at the latest in 1999, as India detonated "Smiling Buddha" in 1974 and Pakistan had equally enough installations to declare itself on-par with "Chagai-I" in 1998.
Supporters of nuclear power are cynical enough to discount the plants as endangered, as both countries have refrained from all-out-war and now have mobile bombs as well. That is of course wrongheadedly downplaying the reach of weapons available to both sides.
As the Korean War is not offiically really "over", just being an armistice, one might just look at the surroundings of the peninsula:
This is further complicated as internal struggles and civil wars could very easily turn a bit ugly if the plants get targeted.
As is the case with the conflicts in Ukraine, which make also some indisputably Russian reactors "near" a zone of conflict. The Washington posts counts 15 Ukrainian reactors alone in this war zone.
“You need to make sure you have enough security that so bad guys don’t do what the tsunami did to Fukushima — cutting off the power and disabling the backup power to start a meltdown,” Bunn says. Most nuclear plants have so much security that terrorists look elsewhere, “at a dam or a chemical plant instead,” he says. (Nukes of Hazard)
This affected the operational situation in Ukrainian plants:
The situation in Ukraine is very a serious concern. The country has 15 reactors operating at four nuclear power plants. Ukraine is proud of its nuclear capacity, but its new circumstances make then a cause for anxiety.
Three stations (South Ukraine, Rovno, and Khmelnitsky) are situated in the western side of the country and are not part of this discussion. The largest plant in Europe, Zaporozhe with its six 1000 MW VVER-1000 reactors, lies about 200 km from the combat zone.
Thermal energy supplies and networks in Ukraine have suffered during the war. Five large thermal power plants near Donbass now operate at reduced output and are periodically in outage due to lack of coal. A hit on the unit transformer at the Lugansk power plant resulted in a blaze which put the plant out of action, blacking out a large region. Towns and villages with a total population of about 700,000 had no power, including the major industrial centre of Lugansk.
Easily accessible power grids have had frequent damage. Power lines, transformers and substations have all been hit by shelling and there have been many cases of intentional damage to electrical infrastructure. The tragic deaths of grid personnel who were shot while inspecting and repairing equipment is a black page in the history of the Ukrainian energy industry. However, during the conflict station staff have continued to work despite the threat to life and limb and through these terrible circumstances thermal energy plants have continued to generate electricity.
Kovynev, 2015
In the age of intercontinental missiles one has to count really every single last one of nuclear reactors near a potential war zone.
In recent years, we have added rhetoric of "heroic deeds being worthwhile", from quite a few sides. The means not only big rockets or errant shells are a threat. As those plants are all at least possibly quite dirty bombs in fixed positions, a small truck driven by one mad man or madam was and still is sufficient. Motivations for such an action are handed out by the dozens nowadays.
In fact some mad men are really convinced that connecting such things to "the grid" not only means simple powerlines, but electronic communications as well. Things like Stuxnet make the Vulnerability of nuclear plants to attack just so much easier, not even requiring any physical presence at all.
Military attacks
Nuclear reactors become preferred targets during military conflict and, over the past three decades, have been repeatedly attacked during military air strikes, occupations, invasions and campaigns:
- On 25 March 1973, before its completion, the Atucha I Nuclear Power Plant in Argentina was temporarily captured by the People's Revolutionary Army who stole a FMK-3 submachine gun and three .45 caliber handguns. When they retired they had a confrontation with the police, injuring two police officers.
- In September 1980, Iran bombed the Al Tuwaitha nuclear complex in Iraq, in Operation Scorch Sword, which was a surprise IRIAF (Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force) airstrike carried out on 30 September 1980, that damaged an almost complete nuclear reactor 17 km south-east of Baghdad, Iraq.
- In June 1981, Operation Opera was an Israeli air strike that completely destroyed Iraq's Osirak nuclear research facility.
- Between 1984 and 1987, Iraq bombed Iran's Bushehr nuclear plant six times.
- In 1991, the U.S. bombed three nuclear reactors and an enrichment pilot facility in Iraq.
- In 1991, Iraq launched Scud missiles at Israel's Dimona nuclear power plant.
- In September 2007, Israel bombed a Syrian reactor under construction.
Given the expert opinion of Alexey Kovynev in Nuclear plants in war zones (2015), he also lists:
- Yugoslavia, ten-day war
- The Iran-Iraq war
- Bombing of nuclear reactors in Iraq
- Destruction of reactor in Syria
- Indo-Pakistani conflicts
- Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict
- Ukrainian conflict
If already accused of "writing an essay", I can do that as well then:
Q … modern commercial nuclear power plants (CANDU, PWR, BWR of generation II plus all of gen III and newer) are usually reasonably safe to operate…
is pro-nuke-energy misconception. "Nuclear safety" can be summarised elegantly with just a few words: there is none.
Q Nuclear power plants are the greatest risk to populace when run
That is correct. Just the sentence this fragment is contained in is longer than necessary.
Q I'm interested in instances of civil/commercial power station operations being affected, whether there at all was such an instance, and what lessons can be learned from it for a civilian not directly involved in operations but wanting an insight and understanding.
As shown above, one should not frame a question so narrow as to be no longer really useful. (In light of political opinion comments below: or reading a question so monotheistically as: there is just this one way, my way, of interpreting a question)
Taken the theoretical dangers, the unacceptable risks involved in the technology as such with very questionable profits for a few, the most important lesson that the history of atomic power is "do not use it commercially" at all. The actual examples of atomic power plants physically near a combat zone, located in, around or in the proximity of war-zones is unmanagable. Longer reaching weapons and now dedicated (and sometimes for pro-nukers with "irrational" motives) small groups to wreaking havoc shows that building and operating atomic power plants is on the same level of "good idea" as sweetening you food and drinks with lead-acetate. Sure, the taste is convincing. The effects on clear thinking seem equally comparable.
Q Has there ever been an instance of an active nuclear power plant within or near a war zone?
Yes, quite a lot. And even one would have been one too many.
Directly attacked or "affected" active plants were found in Israel, Ukraine and Yugoslavia. Proving in every instance that supporting atomic power is an untenable position.
Q The reasoning is that military installations are built for the purpose of a military conflict (either conducting or preventing it) and thus are built, supplied and run with an armed conflict in mind.
That is wishful thinking as it is prevalent in pro-atom circles of all colours. All reactors are built with "this doesn't blow up" in mind. And yet, Windscale, Three-Mile-Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima are just the most prominent examples where "shit happens" was the ansewr to "what could *possibly go wrong?" Reactors for the military are not safer than "commercial" plants. Even if they were: why then build knowingly and on purpose less secure atomic reactors for commercial use?
It seems irrelevant to focus on "commercial" and "active" reactors, as the real criteria for damage are more likely "contains radioactive material to be spread when hit". That would include pre-operational and post-operational reactors. Whether they are commercial or strictly military or research doesn't factor in case of catastrophe facilitated by a war.
We might have to define "war zone" further: if the US wages "war on terror", and considered itself under attack of the homeland (ie a war zone in 2001) – would that make all its nuclear installations count? And all those in or near the countries bombed or invaded?
In centuries gone by a "war zone" might have been precisely declared. Since we now seem to prefer asymmetrical warfare, this definition is no longer that useful. Mere proximity or distance to infantry fighting on the ground was no safe haven for for example Serbian, Afghan, or Yemeni people.
If not, we might still look at the map of atomic insanity to get a stricter measurement of reactors at risk of being targets:
via Carbon Brief (https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-the-worlds-nuclear-power-plants)
And correlate the dates of construction and "connectedness to the grid" with the list armed conflicts
List of wars 1945–1989
List of wars 1990–2002
List of wars 2003–present
This is a bit misleading, as the map above is not listing secret or formerly secret armament reactors, which all have to be counted in. Equally, "research reactors" can be tiny or really unnecessarily large – for real research. But it appears that regardless of size and therefore danger, facilities simply declared "for research" (like Egypt's, Libya's or North Korea's?) are just not listed.
For example the Shimon Peres Negev Nuclear Research Center (aka "Dimona") was used by Israel to enrich enough fission material to construct bombs. This went online between 1962–1964 and obviously – that strip of land is awfully small – would be a quite vulnaerable target at least as early during 1973 Arab–Israeli War (Yom Kippur).
Since then it was repeatedly attacked. Iran is supposedly targeting it constantly, but Iraq actually launched rockets in 1991 at it and Hamas does so now. (Although with low accuracy, for now.)
The response to that was that Israel first stepped up air-defenses, a few times, and by now is said to have shut down the reactor. How the personnel reacted in all of those incidents is typically not reported. Since the plant wasn't really hit, they may have never learned of the danger when it was imminent, only later.
The same goes for India and Pakistan, at the latest in 1999, as India detonated "Smiling Buddha" in 1974 and Pakistan had equally enough installations to declare itself on-par with "Chagai-I" in 1998.
Supporters of nuclear power are cynical enough to discount the plants as endangered, as both countries have refrained from all-out-war and now have mobile bombs as well. That is of course wrongheadedly downplaying the reach of weapons available to both sides.
As the Korean War is not offiically really "over", just being an armistice, one might just look at the surroundings of the peninsula:
This is further complicated as internal struggles and civil wars could very easily turn a bit ugly if the plants get targeted.
As is the case with the conflicts in Ukraine, which make also some indisputably Russian reactors "near" a zone of conflict. The Washington posts counts 15 Ukrainian reactors alone in this war zone.
“You need to make sure you have enough security that so bad guys don’t do what the tsunami did to Fukushima — cutting off the power and disabling the backup power to start a meltdown,” Bunn says. Most nuclear plants have so much security that terrorists look elsewhere, “at a dam or a chemical plant instead,” he says. (Nukes of Hazard)
This affected the operational situation in Ukrainian plants:
The situation in Ukraine is very a serious concern. The country has 15 reactors operating at four nuclear power plants. Ukraine is proud of its nuclear capacity, but its new circumstances make then a cause for anxiety.
Three stations (South Ukraine, Rovno, and Khmelnitsky) are situated in the western side of the country and are not part of this discussion. The largest plant in Europe, Zaporozhe with its six 1000 MW VVER-1000 reactors, lies about 200 km from the combat zone.
Thermal energy supplies and networks in Ukraine have suffered during the war. Five large thermal power plants near Donbass now operate at reduced output and are periodically in outage due to lack of coal. A hit on the unit transformer at the Lugansk power plant resulted in a blaze which put the plant out of action, blacking out a large region. Towns and villages with a total population of about 700,000 had no power, including the major industrial centre of Lugansk.
Easily accessible power grids have had frequent damage. Power lines, transformers and substations have all been hit by shelling and there have been many cases of intentional damage to electrical infrastructure. The tragic deaths of grid personnel who were shot while inspecting and repairing equipment is a black page in the history of the Ukrainian energy industry. However, during the conflict station staff have continued to work despite the threat to life and limb and through these terrible circumstances thermal energy plants have continued to generate electricity.
Kovynev, 2015
In the age of intercontinental missiles one has to count really every single last one of nuclear reactors near a potential war zone.
In recent years, we have added rhetoric of "heroic deeds being worthwhile", from quite a few sides. The means not only big rockets or errant shells are a threat. As those plants are all at least possibly quite dirty bombs in fixed positions, a small truck driven by one mad man or madam was and still is sufficient. Motivations for such an action are handed out by the dozens nowadays.
In fact some mad men are really convinced that connecting such things to "the grid" not only means simple powerlines, but electronic communications as well. Things like Stuxnet make the Vulnerability of nuclear plants to attack just so much easier, not even requiring any physical presence at all.
Military attacks
Nuclear reactors become preferred targets during military conflict and, over the past three decades, have been repeatedly attacked during military air strikes, occupations, invasions and campaigns:
- On 25 March 1973, before its completion, the Atucha I Nuclear Power Plant in Argentina was temporarily captured by the People's Revolutionary Army who stole a FMK-3 submachine gun and three .45 caliber handguns. When they retired they had a confrontation with the police, injuring two police officers.
- In September 1980, Iran bombed the Al Tuwaitha nuclear complex in Iraq, in Operation Scorch Sword, which was a surprise IRIAF (Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force) airstrike carried out on 30 September 1980, that damaged an almost complete nuclear reactor 17 km south-east of Baghdad, Iraq.
- In June 1981, Operation Opera was an Israeli air strike that completely destroyed Iraq's Osirak nuclear research facility.
- Between 1984 and 1987, Iraq bombed Iran's Bushehr nuclear plant six times.
- In 1991, the U.S. bombed three nuclear reactors and an enrichment pilot facility in Iraq.
- In 1991, Iraq launched Scud missiles at Israel's Dimona nuclear power plant.
- In September 2007, Israel bombed a Syrian reactor under construction.
Given the expert opinion of Alexey Kovynev in Nuclear plants in war zones (2015), he also lists:
- Yugoslavia, ten-day war
- The Iran-Iraq war
- Bombing of nuclear reactors in Iraq
- Destruction of reactor in Syria
- Indo-Pakistani conflicts
- Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict
- Ukrainian conflict
If already accused of "writing an essay", I can do that as well then:
Q … modern commercial nuclear power plants (CANDU, PWR, BWR of generation II plus all of gen III and newer) are usually reasonably safe to operate…
is pro-nuke-energy misconception. "Nuclear safety" can be summarised elegantly with just a few words: there is none.
Q Nuclear power plants are the greatest risk to populace when run
That is correct. Just the sentence this fragment is contained in is longer than necessary.
Q I'm interested in instances of civil/commercial power station operations being affected, whether there at all was such an instance, and what lessons can be learned from it for a civilian not directly involved in operations but wanting an insight and understanding.
As shown above, one should not frame a question so narrow as to be no longer really useful. (In light of political opinion comments below: or reading a question so monotheistically as: there is just this one way, my way, of interpreting a question)
Taken the theoretical dangers, the unacceptable risks involved in the technology as such with very questionable profits for a few, the most important lesson that the history of atomic power is "do not use it commercially" at all. The actual examples of atomic power plants physically near a combat zone, located in, around or in the proximity of war-zones is unmanagable. Longer reaching weapons and now dedicated (and sometimes for pro-nukers with "irrational" motives) small groups to wreaking havoc shows that building and operating atomic power plants is on the same level of "good idea" as sweetening you food and drinks with lead-acetate. Sure, the taste is convincing. The effects on clear thinking seem equally comparable.
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Comments are not the place for a debate on the merits or otherwise of nuclear power.
– sempaiscuba♦
2 days ago
20
Yes, niceness of nuclear energy is off topic here, I almost stopped reading the answer at the atomic insanity. The section called military attacks lists almost exclusively military installations which are a natural target for an attack, the first listed has was not operation alt the time and thus the case doesn't inform us about what problems arise while running a power station with war raging about. armament reactors which all have to be count in - they don't, as is explicitly stated in the question. I'm sorry, all in all this looks more like a rant to me than an answer to the question.
– Pavel
2 days ago
8
the real criteria for damage: This isn't what the OP asked for. A sensible interpretation of the question is "was there a place where the staff could have evacuated leaving the plant to fail for lack of supervision?"
– chrylis
2 days ago
8
Towards the end this answer is ok. Just need to remove the subjective language.
– axsvl77
2 days ago
21
This is a deliberate attempt to fail to answer the question, while writing an essay.
– hobbs
2 days ago
|
show 5 more comments
7
Comments are not the place for a debate on the merits or otherwise of nuclear power.
– sempaiscuba♦
2 days ago
20
Yes, niceness of nuclear energy is off topic here, I almost stopped reading the answer at the atomic insanity. The section called military attacks lists almost exclusively military installations which are a natural target for an attack, the first listed has was not operation alt the time and thus the case doesn't inform us about what problems arise while running a power station with war raging about. armament reactors which all have to be count in - they don't, as is explicitly stated in the question. I'm sorry, all in all this looks more like a rant to me than an answer to the question.
– Pavel
2 days ago
8
the real criteria for damage: This isn't what the OP asked for. A sensible interpretation of the question is "was there a place where the staff could have evacuated leaving the plant to fail for lack of supervision?"
– chrylis
2 days ago
8
Towards the end this answer is ok. Just need to remove the subjective language.
– axsvl77
2 days ago
21
This is a deliberate attempt to fail to answer the question, while writing an essay.
– hobbs
2 days ago
7
7
Comments are not the place for a debate on the merits or otherwise of nuclear power.
– sempaiscuba♦
2 days ago
Comments are not the place for a debate on the merits or otherwise of nuclear power.
– sempaiscuba♦
2 days ago
20
20
Yes, niceness of nuclear energy is off topic here, I almost stopped reading the answer at the atomic insanity. The section called military attacks lists almost exclusively military installations which are a natural target for an attack, the first listed has was not operation alt the time and thus the case doesn't inform us about what problems arise while running a power station with war raging about. armament reactors which all have to be count in - they don't, as is explicitly stated in the question. I'm sorry, all in all this looks more like a rant to me than an answer to the question.
– Pavel
2 days ago
Yes, niceness of nuclear energy is off topic here, I almost stopped reading the answer at the atomic insanity. The section called military attacks lists almost exclusively military installations which are a natural target for an attack, the first listed has was not operation alt the time and thus the case doesn't inform us about what problems arise while running a power station with war raging about. armament reactors which all have to be count in - they don't, as is explicitly stated in the question. I'm sorry, all in all this looks more like a rant to me than an answer to the question.
– Pavel
2 days ago
8
8
the real criteria for damage: This isn't what the OP asked for. A sensible interpretation of the question is "was there a place where the staff could have evacuated leaving the plant to fail for lack of supervision?"
– chrylis
2 days ago
the real criteria for damage: This isn't what the OP asked for. A sensible interpretation of the question is "was there a place where the staff could have evacuated leaving the plant to fail for lack of supervision?"
– chrylis
2 days ago
8
8
Towards the end this answer is ok. Just need to remove the subjective language.
– axsvl77
2 days ago
Towards the end this answer is ok. Just need to remove the subjective language.
– axsvl77
2 days ago
21
21
This is a deliberate attempt to fail to answer the question, while writing an essay.
– hobbs
2 days ago
This is a deliberate attempt to fail to answer the question, while writing an essay.
– hobbs
2 days ago
|
show 5 more comments
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– sempaiscuba♦
yesterday
You say "Nuclear power plants are the greatest risk to populace when run without the required care", but I'd invite you to consider large hydroelectric dams as well - the Tabqa dam was at risk recently in the Syrian civil war, and outside of conflict the Banqiao dam collapse killed 171,000 people.
– llama
yesterday
@llama The important difference is that when in a good shape and built with sound engineering, you can shut a hydroelectric power plant pretty quickly and leave it as it is with floodgates open. you can't do that with a nuclear power station, it needs to be manned and carefully operated a long time after you shut it down to prevent environmental damage and direct safety risks to the populace. Off course you can bomb the dam, but that is not what I ask about.
– Pavel
21 hours ago
@Pavel You can shut down a nuclear plant far more quickly that you can empty a vast reservoir safely. Even assuming you can at all.
– Rekesoft
18 hours ago
@Rekesoft First, this is off topic here. Second, emptying a large reservoir of water is of no interest to me. You can leave the dam full for prolonged periods of time, given its well built. You can't leave a nuclear power plant unattended, even when shut down. As repeatedly emphasized in comments and edits, I'm interested in operations being affected, not about attacks, not about withstanding damage from direct hits, not about theoretical comparison to other sources of energy.
– Pavel
15 hours ago