Can a creature with truesight see the invisible sensor created by the Clairvoyance spell?
When you cast clairvoyance:
You create an invisible sensor within range in a location familiar to you [...]
If you do this near someone with truesight, which gives the following benefit:
A creature with truesight can [...] see invisible creatures and objects
Therefore, if you have truesight, can you see the invisible sensor created by clairvoyance?
dnd-5e spells vision-and-light invisibility
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When you cast clairvoyance:
You create an invisible sensor within range in a location familiar to you [...]
If you do this near someone with truesight, which gives the following benefit:
A creature with truesight can [...] see invisible creatures and objects
Therefore, if you have truesight, can you see the invisible sensor created by clairvoyance?
dnd-5e spells vision-and-light invisibility
edited Dec 4 at 21:59
V2Blast
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asked Dec 4 at 14:20
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Related: Does detect magic allow detection of scrying?
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 16:58
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Whatever source you pulled the spell description from does not agree with the official wording. I would recommend using only official sources in the future (or if this is from a translated version, noting that in the question).
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 17:32
I thought I got it from Roll20, but looking at the text on there it matches your edit.
– GPPK
Dec 4 at 17:50
add a comment |
When you cast clairvoyance:
You create an invisible sensor within range in a location familiar to you [...]
If you do this near someone with truesight, which gives the following benefit:
A creature with truesight can [...] see invisible creatures and objects
Therefore, if you have truesight, can you see the invisible sensor created by clairvoyance?
dnd-5e spells vision-and-light invisibility
edited Dec 4 at 21:59
V2Blast
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asked Dec 4 at 14:20
GPPK
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When you cast clairvoyance:
You create an invisible sensor within range in a location familiar to you [...]
If you do this near someone with truesight, which gives the following benefit:
A creature with truesight can [...] see invisible creatures and objects
Therefore, if you have truesight, can you see the invisible sensor created by clairvoyance?
dnd-5e spells vision-and-light invisibility
dnd-5e spells vision-and-light invisibility
edited Dec 4 at 21:59
V2Blast
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asked Dec 4 at 14:20
GPPK
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edited Dec 4 at 21:59
V2Blast
19.6k355121
asked Dec 4 at 14:20
GPPK
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edited Dec 4 at 21:59
V2Blast
19.6k355121
edited Dec 4 at 21:59
V2Blast
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edited Dec 4 at 21:59
V2Blast
19.6k355121
19.6k355121
asked Dec 4 at 14:20
GPPK
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asked Dec 4 at 14:20
GPPK
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asked Dec 4 at 14:20
GPPK
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1,053627
Related: Does detect magic allow detection of scrying?
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 16:58
1
Whatever source you pulled the spell description from does not agree with the official wording. I would recommend using only official sources in the future (or if this is from a translated version, noting that in the question).
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 17:32
I thought I got it from Roll20, but looking at the text on there it matches your edit.
– GPPK
Dec 4 at 17:50
add a comment |
Related: Does detect magic allow detection of scrying?
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 16:58
1
Whatever source you pulled the spell description from does not agree with the official wording. I would recommend using only official sources in the future (or if this is from a translated version, noting that in the question).
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 17:32
I thought I got it from Roll20, but looking at the text on there it matches your edit.
– GPPK
Dec 4 at 17:50
Related: Does detect magic allow detection of scrying?
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 16:58
Related: Does detect magic allow detection of scrying?
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 16:58
1
1
Whatever source you pulled the spell description from does not agree with the official wording. I would recommend using only official sources in the future (or if this is from a translated version, noting that in the question).
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 17:32
Whatever source you pulled the spell description from does not agree with the official wording. I would recommend using only official sources in the future (or if this is from a translated version, noting that in the question).
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 17:32
I thought I got it from Roll20, but looking at the text on there it matches your edit.
– GPPK
Dec 4 at 17:50
I thought I got it from Roll20, but looking at the text on there it matches your edit.
– GPPK
Dec 4 at 17:50
add a comment |
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Yes, the sensor can be seen with truesight
I will briefly state what has already been pointed out in Dinomaster's answer:
The clairvoyance spell specifies that it creates "an invisible sensor", and truesight it described as allowing a creature to "see invisible creatures and objects", so this implies that such a sensor can be seen via truesight, although since a sensor isn't explicitly described as an object, it's not conclusive evidence...
In addition to that, a similar situation exists for the spell scrying (PHB, pg. 273), which is made more explicit:
... the spell creates an invisible sensor within 10 feet of the target. [...] A creature that can see invisible objects sees the sensor as a luminous object about the size of your fist.
So not only can creatures with truesight (or any creature that can see invisible objects for any other reason) see the sensor, but according to scrying, it looks like "a luminous objects about the size of your fist".
Given that the language regarding the "invisible sensor" is the same in both spells, it seems as though invisible sensors can be seen by creatures with truesight, and furthermore it's likely that the appearance of the sensor described by scrying would be the same for clairvoyance as well (or at the very least it gives the DM a precedent to follow).
answered Dec 4 at 14:36
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In other cases (Wall of Force and the like), the thing created by a spell is not an 'object' for the purposes of object interactions, spells or effects that target objects, etc. What about the sensor that makes it an 'object', since this is a specially defined game term?
– MarkTO
Dec 4 at 15:07
2
@MarkTO I'm not saying that a sensor is an object per se, I'm just pointing out that scrying says that creatures that can see invisible objects can also see the sensor. There's also that it's described as a "luminous object", but that's more that it looks like an object, not that it is one. My main point, though, is that scrying sets a precedent for creatures that can see invisible objects being able to see invisible sensors too.
– NathanS
Dec 4 at 15:25
1
@NathanS I'm a bit confused though. Wouldn't the fact that they put the wording in scrying but not in clairvoyance actually imply that they aren't intended to work the same? I'm not sure there is any example of a spell that depends on the wording of another spell without explicitly saying so.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 16:06
1
@Mindwin object is a game term and thus has a special definition. "You make" certainly implies something is created. However, the assumption that anything you "make" via a spell is an object is simply not true. There are many things you can make with spells in game and some of them are clearly not objects. For example you can make creatures, you can make illusions, etc. Even physically created substances such as water are generally not treated as objects by the game's definition.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 17:15
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I have accepted this answer because I believe it gives the most robust justification even though the rules are potentially unclear.
– GPPK
Dec 5 at 10:37
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Yes
The Claivoyance spell makes an invisible object.
You create an invisible sensor within range in a location familiar to you...
Which can be seen by Truesight
A creature with truesight can, ... see invisible creatures and objects
So yes truesight can see the sensor.
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What makes you think that the sensor is an object? Spells will say when the thing they create is an object and many spell effects are not considered objects (eg wall in wall of force). So how do you justify calling the sensor an object here?
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 16:04
1
@rubiksmoose: dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/make - "to produce something, often using a particular substance or material:" - The wording "you make" implies that an object is created.
– Mindwin
Dec 4 at 17:03
1
@Mindwin object is a game term and thus has a special definition. "You make" certainly implies something is created. However, the assumption that anything you "make" via a spell is an object is simply not true. There are many things you can make with spells in game and some of them are clearly not objects. For example you can make creatures, you can make illusions, etc.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 17:09
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Yes, the sensor can be seen with truesight
I will briefly state what has already been pointed out in Dinomaster's answer:
The clairvoyance spell specifies that it creates "an invisible sensor", and truesight it described as allowing a creature to "see invisible creatures and objects", so this implies that such a sensor can be seen via truesight, although since a sensor isn't explicitly described as an object, it's not conclusive evidence...
In addition to that, a similar situation exists for the spell scrying (PHB, pg. 273), which is made more explicit:
... the spell creates an invisible sensor within 10 feet of the target. [...] A creature that can see invisible objects sees the sensor as a luminous object about the size of your fist.
So not only can creatures with truesight (or any creature that can see invisible objects for any other reason) see the sensor, but according to scrying, it looks like "a luminous objects about the size of your fist".
Given that the language regarding the "invisible sensor" is the same in both spells, it seems as though invisible sensors can be seen by creatures with truesight, and furthermore it's likely that the appearance of the sensor described by scrying would be the same for clairvoyance as well (or at the very least it gives the DM a precedent to follow).
answered Dec 4 at 14:36
NathanS
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In other cases (Wall of Force and the like), the thing created by a spell is not an 'object' for the purposes of object interactions, spells or effects that target objects, etc. What about the sensor that makes it an 'object', since this is a specially defined game term?
– MarkTO
Dec 4 at 15:07
2
@MarkTO I'm not saying that a sensor is an object per se, I'm just pointing out that scrying says that creatures that can see invisible objects can also see the sensor. There's also that it's described as a "luminous object", but that's more that it looks like an object, not that it is one. My main point, though, is that scrying sets a precedent for creatures that can see invisible objects being able to see invisible sensors too.
– NathanS
Dec 4 at 15:25
1
@NathanS I'm a bit confused though. Wouldn't the fact that they put the wording in scrying but not in clairvoyance actually imply that they aren't intended to work the same? I'm not sure there is any example of a spell that depends on the wording of another spell without explicitly saying so.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 16:06
1
@Mindwin object is a game term and thus has a special definition. "You make" certainly implies something is created. However, the assumption that anything you "make" via a spell is an object is simply not true. There are many things you can make with spells in game and some of them are clearly not objects. For example you can make creatures, you can make illusions, etc. Even physically created substances such as water are generally not treated as objects by the game's definition.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 17:15
1
I have accepted this answer because I believe it gives the most robust justification even though the rules are potentially unclear.
– GPPK
Dec 5 at 10:37
|
show 4 more comments
Yes, the sensor can be seen with truesight
I will briefly state what has already been pointed out in Dinomaster's answer:
The clairvoyance spell specifies that it creates "an invisible sensor", and truesight it described as allowing a creature to "see invisible creatures and objects", so this implies that such a sensor can be seen via truesight, although since a sensor isn't explicitly described as an object, it's not conclusive evidence...
In addition to that, a similar situation exists for the spell scrying (PHB, pg. 273), which is made more explicit:
... the spell creates an invisible sensor within 10 feet of the target. [...] A creature that can see invisible objects sees the sensor as a luminous object about the size of your fist.
So not only can creatures with truesight (or any creature that can see invisible objects for any other reason) see the sensor, but according to scrying, it looks like "a luminous objects about the size of your fist".
Given that the language regarding the "invisible sensor" is the same in both spells, it seems as though invisible sensors can be seen by creatures with truesight, and furthermore it's likely that the appearance of the sensor described by scrying would be the same for clairvoyance as well (or at the very least it gives the DM a precedent to follow).
answered Dec 4 at 14:36
NathanS
23.5k6107250
1
In other cases (Wall of Force and the like), the thing created by a spell is not an 'object' for the purposes of object interactions, spells or effects that target objects, etc. What about the sensor that makes it an 'object', since this is a specially defined game term?
– MarkTO
Dec 4 at 15:07
2
@MarkTO I'm not saying that a sensor is an object per se, I'm just pointing out that scrying says that creatures that can see invisible objects can also see the sensor. There's also that it's described as a "luminous object", but that's more that it looks like an object, not that it is one. My main point, though, is that scrying sets a precedent for creatures that can see invisible objects being able to see invisible sensors too.
– NathanS
Dec 4 at 15:25
1
@NathanS I'm a bit confused though. Wouldn't the fact that they put the wording in scrying but not in clairvoyance actually imply that they aren't intended to work the same? I'm not sure there is any example of a spell that depends on the wording of another spell without explicitly saying so.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 16:06
1
@Mindwin object is a game term and thus has a special definition. "You make" certainly implies something is created. However, the assumption that anything you "make" via a spell is an object is simply not true. There are many things you can make with spells in game and some of them are clearly not objects. For example you can make creatures, you can make illusions, etc. Even physically created substances such as water are generally not treated as objects by the game's definition.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 17:15
1
I have accepted this answer because I believe it gives the most robust justification even though the rules are potentially unclear.
– GPPK
Dec 5 at 10:37
|
show 4 more comments
Yes, the sensor can be seen with truesight
I will briefly state what has already been pointed out in Dinomaster's answer:
The clairvoyance spell specifies that it creates "an invisible sensor", and truesight it described as allowing a creature to "see invisible creatures and objects", so this implies that such a sensor can be seen via truesight, although since a sensor isn't explicitly described as an object, it's not conclusive evidence...
In addition to that, a similar situation exists for the spell scrying (PHB, pg. 273), which is made more explicit:
... the spell creates an invisible sensor within 10 feet of the target. [...] A creature that can see invisible objects sees the sensor as a luminous object about the size of your fist.
So not only can creatures with truesight (or any creature that can see invisible objects for any other reason) see the sensor, but according to scrying, it looks like "a luminous objects about the size of your fist".
Given that the language regarding the "invisible sensor" is the same in both spells, it seems as though invisible sensors can be seen by creatures with truesight, and furthermore it's likely that the appearance of the sensor described by scrying would be the same for clairvoyance as well (or at the very least it gives the DM a precedent to follow).
answered Dec 4 at 14:36
NathanS
23.5k6107250
Yes, the sensor can be seen with truesight
I will briefly state what has already been pointed out in Dinomaster's answer:
The clairvoyance spell specifies that it creates "an invisible sensor", and truesight it described as allowing a creature to "see invisible creatures and objects", so this implies that such a sensor can be seen via truesight, although since a sensor isn't explicitly described as an object, it's not conclusive evidence...
In addition to that, a similar situation exists for the spell scrying (PHB, pg. 273), which is made more explicit:
... the spell creates an invisible sensor within 10 feet of the target. [...] A creature that can see invisible objects sees the sensor as a luminous object about the size of your fist.
So not only can creatures with truesight (or any creature that can see invisible objects for any other reason) see the sensor, but according to scrying, it looks like "a luminous objects about the size of your fist".
Given that the language regarding the "invisible sensor" is the same in both spells, it seems as though invisible sensors can be seen by creatures with truesight, and furthermore it's likely that the appearance of the sensor described by scrying would be the same for clairvoyance as well (or at the very least it gives the DM a precedent to follow).
answered Dec 4 at 14:36
NathanS
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answered Dec 4 at 14:36
NathanS
23.5k6107250
answered Dec 4 at 14:36
NathanS
23.5k6107250
answered Dec 4 at 14:36
NathanS
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23.5k6107250
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In other cases (Wall of Force and the like), the thing created by a spell is not an 'object' for the purposes of object interactions, spells or effects that target objects, etc. What about the sensor that makes it an 'object', since this is a specially defined game term?
– MarkTO
Dec 4 at 15:07
2
@MarkTO I'm not saying that a sensor is an object per se, I'm just pointing out that scrying says that creatures that can see invisible objects can also see the sensor. There's also that it's described as a "luminous object", but that's more that it looks like an object, not that it is one. My main point, though, is that scrying sets a precedent for creatures that can see invisible objects being able to see invisible sensors too.
– NathanS
Dec 4 at 15:25
1
@NathanS I'm a bit confused though. Wouldn't the fact that they put the wording in scrying but not in clairvoyance actually imply that they aren't intended to work the same? I'm not sure there is any example of a spell that depends on the wording of another spell without explicitly saying so.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 16:06
1
@Mindwin object is a game term and thus has a special definition. "You make" certainly implies something is created. However, the assumption that anything you "make" via a spell is an object is simply not true. There are many things you can make with spells in game and some of them are clearly not objects. For example you can make creatures, you can make illusions, etc. Even physically created substances such as water are generally not treated as objects by the game's definition.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 17:15
1
I have accepted this answer because I believe it gives the most robust justification even though the rules are potentially unclear.
– GPPK
Dec 5 at 10:37
|
show 4 more comments
1
In other cases (Wall of Force and the like), the thing created by a spell is not an 'object' for the purposes of object interactions, spells or effects that target objects, etc. What about the sensor that makes it an 'object', since this is a specially defined game term?
– MarkTO
Dec 4 at 15:07
2
@MarkTO I'm not saying that a sensor is an object per se, I'm just pointing out that scrying says that creatures that can see invisible objects can also see the sensor. There's also that it's described as a "luminous object", but that's more that it looks like an object, not that it is one. My main point, though, is that scrying sets a precedent for creatures that can see invisible objects being able to see invisible sensors too.
– NathanS
Dec 4 at 15:25
1
@NathanS I'm a bit confused though. Wouldn't the fact that they put the wording in scrying but not in clairvoyance actually imply that they aren't intended to work the same? I'm not sure there is any example of a spell that depends on the wording of another spell without explicitly saying so.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 16:06
1
@Mindwin object is a game term and thus has a special definition. "You make" certainly implies something is created. However, the assumption that anything you "make" via a spell is an object is simply not true. There are many things you can make with spells in game and some of them are clearly not objects. For example you can make creatures, you can make illusions, etc. Even physically created substances such as water are generally not treated as objects by the game's definition.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 17:15
1
I have accepted this answer because I believe it gives the most robust justification even though the rules are potentially unclear.
– GPPK
Dec 5 at 10:37
1
1
In other cases (Wall of Force and the like), the thing created by a spell is not an 'object' for the purposes of object interactions, spells or effects that target objects, etc. What about the sensor that makes it an 'object', since this is a specially defined game term?
– MarkTO
Dec 4 at 15:07
In other cases (Wall of Force and the like), the thing created by a spell is not an 'object' for the purposes of object interactions, spells or effects that target objects, etc. What about the sensor that makes it an 'object', since this is a specially defined game term?
– MarkTO
Dec 4 at 15:07
2
2
@MarkTO I'm not saying that a sensor is an object per se, I'm just pointing out that scrying says that creatures that can see invisible objects can also see the sensor. There's also that it's described as a "luminous object", but that's more that it looks like an object, not that it is one. My main point, though, is that scrying sets a precedent for creatures that can see invisible objects being able to see invisible sensors too.
– NathanS
Dec 4 at 15:25
@MarkTO I'm not saying that a sensor is an object per se, I'm just pointing out that scrying says that creatures that can see invisible objects can also see the sensor. There's also that it's described as a "luminous object", but that's more that it looks like an object, not that it is one. My main point, though, is that scrying sets a precedent for creatures that can see invisible objects being able to see invisible sensors too.
– NathanS
Dec 4 at 15:25
1
1
@NathanS I'm a bit confused though. Wouldn't the fact that they put the wording in scrying but not in clairvoyance actually imply that they aren't intended to work the same? I'm not sure there is any example of a spell that depends on the wording of another spell without explicitly saying so.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 16:06
@NathanS I'm a bit confused though. Wouldn't the fact that they put the wording in scrying but not in clairvoyance actually imply that they aren't intended to work the same? I'm not sure there is any example of a spell that depends on the wording of another spell without explicitly saying so.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 16:06
1
1
@Mindwin object is a game term and thus has a special definition. "You make" certainly implies something is created. However, the assumption that anything you "make" via a spell is an object is simply not true. There are many things you can make with spells in game and some of them are clearly not objects. For example you can make creatures, you can make illusions, etc. Even physically created substances such as water are generally not treated as objects by the game's definition.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 17:15
@Mindwin object is a game term and thus has a special definition. "You make" certainly implies something is created. However, the assumption that anything you "make" via a spell is an object is simply not true. There are many things you can make with spells in game and some of them are clearly not objects. For example you can make creatures, you can make illusions, etc. Even physically created substances such as water are generally not treated as objects by the game's definition.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 17:15
1
1
I have accepted this answer because I believe it gives the most robust justification even though the rules are potentially unclear.
– GPPK
Dec 5 at 10:37
I have accepted this answer because I believe it gives the most robust justification even though the rules are potentially unclear.
– GPPK
Dec 5 at 10:37
|
show 4 more comments
Yes
The Claivoyance spell makes an invisible object.
You create an invisible sensor within range in a location familiar to you...
Which can be seen by Truesight
A creature with truesight can, ... see invisible creatures and objects
So yes truesight can see the sensor.
edited Dec 4 at 17:33
Rubiksmoose
47.8k6237362
answered Dec 4 at 14:23
Dinomaster
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1
What makes you think that the sensor is an object? Spells will say when the thing they create is an object and many spell effects are not considered objects (eg wall in wall of force). So how do you justify calling the sensor an object here?
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 16:04
1
@rubiksmoose: dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/make - "to produce something, often using a particular substance or material:" - The wording "you make" implies that an object is created.
– Mindwin
Dec 4 at 17:03
1
@Mindwin object is a game term and thus has a special definition. "You make" certainly implies something is created. However, the assumption that anything you "make" via a spell is an object is simply not true. There are many things you can make with spells in game and some of them are clearly not objects. For example you can make creatures, you can make illusions, etc.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 17:09
add a comment |
Yes
The Claivoyance spell makes an invisible object.
You create an invisible sensor within range in a location familiar to you...
Which can be seen by Truesight
A creature with truesight can, ... see invisible creatures and objects
So yes truesight can see the sensor.
edited Dec 4 at 17:33
Rubiksmoose
47.8k6237362
answered Dec 4 at 14:23
Dinomaster
3,147826
1
What makes you think that the sensor is an object? Spells will say when the thing they create is an object and many spell effects are not considered objects (eg wall in wall of force). So how do you justify calling the sensor an object here?
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 16:04
1
@rubiksmoose: dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/make - "to produce something, often using a particular substance or material:" - The wording "you make" implies that an object is created.
– Mindwin
Dec 4 at 17:03
1
@Mindwin object is a game term and thus has a special definition. "You make" certainly implies something is created. However, the assumption that anything you "make" via a spell is an object is simply not true. There are many things you can make with spells in game and some of them are clearly not objects. For example you can make creatures, you can make illusions, etc.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 17:09
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Yes
The Claivoyance spell makes an invisible object.
You create an invisible sensor within range in a location familiar to you...
Which can be seen by Truesight
A creature with truesight can, ... see invisible creatures and objects
So yes truesight can see the sensor.
edited Dec 4 at 17:33
Rubiksmoose
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Yes
The Claivoyance spell makes an invisible object.
You create an invisible sensor within range in a location familiar to you...
Which can be seen by Truesight
A creature with truesight can, ... see invisible creatures and objects
So yes truesight can see the sensor.
edited Dec 4 at 17:33
Rubiksmoose
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answered Dec 4 at 14:23
Dinomaster
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edited Dec 4 at 17:33
Rubiksmoose
47.8k6237362
edited Dec 4 at 17:33
Rubiksmoose
47.8k6237362
edited Dec 4 at 17:33
Rubiksmoose
47.8k6237362
47.8k6237362
answered Dec 4 at 14:23
Dinomaster
3,147826
answered Dec 4 at 14:23
Dinomaster
3,147826
answered Dec 4 at 14:23
Dinomaster
3,147826
3,147826
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What makes you think that the sensor is an object? Spells will say when the thing they create is an object and many spell effects are not considered objects (eg wall in wall of force). So how do you justify calling the sensor an object here?
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 16:04
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@rubiksmoose: dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/make - "to produce something, often using a particular substance or material:" - The wording "you make" implies that an object is created.
– Mindwin
Dec 4 at 17:03
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@Mindwin object is a game term and thus has a special definition. "You make" certainly implies something is created. However, the assumption that anything you "make" via a spell is an object is simply not true. There are many things you can make with spells in game and some of them are clearly not objects. For example you can make creatures, you can make illusions, etc.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 17:09
add a comment |
1
What makes you think that the sensor is an object? Spells will say when the thing they create is an object and many spell effects are not considered objects (eg wall in wall of force). So how do you justify calling the sensor an object here?
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 16:04
1
@rubiksmoose: dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/make - "to produce something, often using a particular substance or material:" - The wording "you make" implies that an object is created.
– Mindwin
Dec 4 at 17:03
1
@Mindwin object is a game term and thus has a special definition. "You make" certainly implies something is created. However, the assumption that anything you "make" via a spell is an object is simply not true. There are many things you can make with spells in game and some of them are clearly not objects. For example you can make creatures, you can make illusions, etc.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 17:09
1
1
What makes you think that the sensor is an object? Spells will say when the thing they create is an object and many spell effects are not considered objects (eg wall in wall of force). So how do you justify calling the sensor an object here?
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 16:04
What makes you think that the sensor is an object? Spells will say when the thing they create is an object and many spell effects are not considered objects (eg wall in wall of force). So how do you justify calling the sensor an object here?
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 16:04
1
1
@rubiksmoose: dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/make - "to produce something, often using a particular substance or material:" - The wording "you make" implies that an object is created.
– Mindwin
Dec 4 at 17:03
@rubiksmoose: dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/make - "to produce something, often using a particular substance or material:" - The wording "you make" implies that an object is created.
– Mindwin
Dec 4 at 17:03
1
1
@Mindwin object is a game term and thus has a special definition. "You make" certainly implies something is created. However, the assumption that anything you "make" via a spell is an object is simply not true. There are many things you can make with spells in game and some of them are clearly not objects. For example you can make creatures, you can make illusions, etc.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 17:09
@Mindwin object is a game term and thus has a special definition. "You make" certainly implies something is created. However, the assumption that anything you "make" via a spell is an object is simply not true. There are many things you can make with spells in game and some of them are clearly not objects. For example you can make creatures, you can make illusions, etc.
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 17:09
add a comment |
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– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 16:58
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Whatever source you pulled the spell description from does not agree with the official wording. I would recommend using only official sources in the future (or if this is from a translated version, noting that in the question).
– Rubiksmoose
Dec 4 at 17:32
I thought I got it from Roll20, but looking at the text on there it matches your edit.
– GPPK
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