Can I connect a SATA disk on a SAS connector on the motherboard?












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I have a motherboard with a lot of SAS connectors. The motherboard manual specifies that:




these connectors are for the SAS signal cables for SAS hard disk drives that allows up to 6Gb/s of data transfer rate.






  • Can I connect SATA drives to SAS connectors?



    It looks like other people are interested by the opposite (that is connecting SAS drives to SATA motherboard), and I'm unable to find the definitive answer.



  • Does the 6 Gb/s transfer rate means that I'll get an equivalent of SATA 3 (which is important if I use SATA 3 SSDs)?


  • Are there drawbacks using SAS connectors instead of SATA 3 ones for SATA 2 and SATA 3 drives? In other words, if the motherboard has both SATA 3 and SAS connectors, what is the reason, if any, to use SATA 3 connectors for SATA drives?











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    I have a motherboard with a lot of SAS connectors. The motherboard manual specifies that:




    these connectors are for the SAS signal cables for SAS hard disk drives that allows up to 6Gb/s of data transfer rate.






    • Can I connect SATA drives to SAS connectors?



      It looks like other people are interested by the opposite (that is connecting SAS drives to SATA motherboard), and I'm unable to find the definitive answer.



    • Does the 6 Gb/s transfer rate means that I'll get an equivalent of SATA 3 (which is important if I use SATA 3 SSDs)?


    • Are there drawbacks using SAS connectors instead of SATA 3 ones for SATA 2 and SATA 3 drives? In other words, if the motherboard has both SATA 3 and SAS connectors, what is the reason, if any, to use SATA 3 connectors for SATA drives?











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      I have a motherboard with a lot of SAS connectors. The motherboard manual specifies that:




      these connectors are for the SAS signal cables for SAS hard disk drives that allows up to 6Gb/s of data transfer rate.






      • Can I connect SATA drives to SAS connectors?



        It looks like other people are interested by the opposite (that is connecting SAS drives to SATA motherboard), and I'm unable to find the definitive answer.



      • Does the 6 Gb/s transfer rate means that I'll get an equivalent of SATA 3 (which is important if I use SATA 3 SSDs)?


      • Are there drawbacks using SAS connectors instead of SATA 3 ones for SATA 2 and SATA 3 drives? In other words, if the motherboard has both SATA 3 and SAS connectors, what is the reason, if any, to use SATA 3 connectors for SATA drives?











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      I have a motherboard with a lot of SAS connectors. The motherboard manual specifies that:




      these connectors are for the SAS signal cables for SAS hard disk drives that allows up to 6Gb/s of data transfer rate.






      • Can I connect SATA drives to SAS connectors?



        It looks like other people are interested by the opposite (that is connecting SAS drives to SATA motherboard), and I'm unable to find the definitive answer.



      • Does the 6 Gb/s transfer rate means that I'll get an equivalent of SATA 3 (which is important if I use SATA 3 SSDs)?


      • Are there drawbacks using SAS connectors instead of SATA 3 ones for SATA 2 and SATA 3 drives? In other words, if the motherboard has both SATA 3 and SAS connectors, what is the reason, if any, to use SATA 3 connectors for SATA drives?








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          Can I connect SATA drives to SAS connectors?




          Yes, well known question / answer




          Does the 6 Gb/s transfer rate means that I'll get an equivalent of SATA 3 (which is important if I use SATA 3 SSDs)?




          Yes. They will negotiate the speed, slower device wins (12G sas ctrl will lower speed to sata 2 drive if needed) or drive will lower speed to older SAS controller. MSM software (or BIOS) can show you negotiated speeds.




          Are there drawbacks using SAS connectors instead of SATA 3 ones for SATA 2 and SATA 3 drives? In other words, if the motherboard has both SATA 3 and SAS connectors, what is the reason, if any, to use SATA 3 connectors for SATA drives?




          Use SAS. Usually SATA connector are part of Intel southbridge. Tests I've done show throughput drops proportionally to number of SATA drives connected to southbridge and results were horrific for 6 drives used simultaneously on Intel southbridge.



          SAS controller on your motherboard is probably LSI using 4 pcie lanes - throughput was the same if you use 1 or 12 SAS drives (i lost the link to that blog I made).



          Yes you might have to buy appropriate SAS cable (it's another topic, cheap on ebay from china).



          The only reason where you might not use SAS is when BIOS doesn't allow booting from SAS drive (but todays everyone boots from NVME anyway).



          Here is a test of my SAS setup, 16 drives on expander (expander slows things down, but results are shockingly better than you would achieve with intel southbridge).Simultaneous test of 6GB eMLC on 12GB controller + 24 port SAS expander



          Simultaneous test of 6GB eMLC on 12GB controller + 24 port SAS expander. Doesn't matter if drive is sas or sata.






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            You can usually (but not always) connect SATA drives to a SAS backplane - where the motherboard is designed to support it it will work, however there are a surprising number of corner cases - For example I help maintain a Dell Mass Storage array - it has an SAS backplane. You can plug a SATA drive in it and it will work - sort-of - until it causes corruption. You can get an "Interposer" to make a SATA drive work with an SAS backplane from Dell - of-course its not free.



            On the otherhand, I've used SATA drives directly in Intel and HP systems without issues (well, without issues accepting SATA drives, the HP systems were older and did not like drives > 2TB).



            Normally the spec sheet will tell you what drives are supported, although its usually not comprehensive.






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              The Wikipedia says




              SAS offers backward compatibility with SATA, versions 2 and later. This allows for SATA drives to be connected to SAS backplanes. The reverse, connecting SAS drives to SATA backplanes, is not possible.




              So...




              • yes

              • yes

              • the reason to use a SATA port for a SATA drive? The things are kind of meant to go that way... If you want to connect the SATA drive to the SAS port, you'll need a breakout cable. The SAS port on your motherboard is probably the SFF-8087, but please double check that. If it is the case, you'll need something like this


              Good luck :)






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                The Seagate knowledgebase article Connecting SATA drive to SAS controller confirms you can do this:




                The use of SATA hard drives on SAS controllers is made possible by the
                fact that both share the same infrastructure and have similar
                features.




                • SATA drives may be plugged into SAS controllers.


                • SAS drives cannot be plugged into SATA controllers.








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                It depends on the motherboard manufacturer. For example the HP, you may need a license dongle.



                The standards themselves are compatible, and you can connect SATA drives on SAS controllers.



                Of course, if the manufacturer is not something invented to benefit from the void.






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                Can I connect SATA drives to SAS connectors?




                Yes, well known question / answer




                Does the 6 Gb/s transfer rate means that I'll get an equivalent of SATA 3 (which is important if I use SATA 3 SSDs)?




                Yes. They will negotiate the speed, slower device wins (12G sas ctrl will lower speed to sata 2 drive if needed) or drive will lower speed to older SAS controller. MSM software (or BIOS) can show you negotiated speeds.




                Are there drawbacks using SAS connectors instead of SATA 3 ones for SATA 2 and SATA 3 drives? In other words, if the motherboard has both SATA 3 and SAS connectors, what is the reason, if any, to use SATA 3 connectors for SATA drives?




                Use SAS. Usually SATA connector are part of Intel southbridge. Tests I've done show throughput drops proportionally to number of SATA drives connected to southbridge and results were horrific for 6 drives used simultaneously on Intel southbridge.



                SAS controller on your motherboard is probably LSI using 4 pcie lanes - throughput was the same if you use 1 or 12 SAS drives (i lost the link to that blog I made).



                Yes you might have to buy appropriate SAS cable (it's another topic, cheap on ebay from china).



                The only reason where you might not use SAS is when BIOS doesn't allow booting from SAS drive (but todays everyone boots from NVME anyway).



                Here is a test of my SAS setup, 16 drives on expander (expander slows things down, but results are shockingly better than you would achieve with intel southbridge).Simultaneous test of 6GB eMLC on 12GB controller + 24 port SAS expander



                Simultaneous test of 6GB eMLC on 12GB controller + 24 port SAS expander. Doesn't matter if drive is sas or sata.






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                  Can I connect SATA drives to SAS connectors?




                  Yes, well known question / answer




                  Does the 6 Gb/s transfer rate means that I'll get an equivalent of SATA 3 (which is important if I use SATA 3 SSDs)?




                  Yes. They will negotiate the speed, slower device wins (12G sas ctrl will lower speed to sata 2 drive if needed) or drive will lower speed to older SAS controller. MSM software (or BIOS) can show you negotiated speeds.




                  Are there drawbacks using SAS connectors instead of SATA 3 ones for SATA 2 and SATA 3 drives? In other words, if the motherboard has both SATA 3 and SAS connectors, what is the reason, if any, to use SATA 3 connectors for SATA drives?




                  Use SAS. Usually SATA connector are part of Intel southbridge. Tests I've done show throughput drops proportionally to number of SATA drives connected to southbridge and results were horrific for 6 drives used simultaneously on Intel southbridge.



                  SAS controller on your motherboard is probably LSI using 4 pcie lanes - throughput was the same if you use 1 or 12 SAS drives (i lost the link to that blog I made).



                  Yes you might have to buy appropriate SAS cable (it's another topic, cheap on ebay from china).



                  The only reason where you might not use SAS is when BIOS doesn't allow booting from SAS drive (but todays everyone boots from NVME anyway).



                  Here is a test of my SAS setup, 16 drives on expander (expander slows things down, but results are shockingly better than you would achieve with intel southbridge).Simultaneous test of 6GB eMLC on 12GB controller + 24 port SAS expander



                  Simultaneous test of 6GB eMLC on 12GB controller + 24 port SAS expander. Doesn't matter if drive is sas or sata.






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                    Can I connect SATA drives to SAS connectors?




                    Yes, well known question / answer




                    Does the 6 Gb/s transfer rate means that I'll get an equivalent of SATA 3 (which is important if I use SATA 3 SSDs)?




                    Yes. They will negotiate the speed, slower device wins (12G sas ctrl will lower speed to sata 2 drive if needed) or drive will lower speed to older SAS controller. MSM software (or BIOS) can show you negotiated speeds.




                    Are there drawbacks using SAS connectors instead of SATA 3 ones for SATA 2 and SATA 3 drives? In other words, if the motherboard has both SATA 3 and SAS connectors, what is the reason, if any, to use SATA 3 connectors for SATA drives?




                    Use SAS. Usually SATA connector are part of Intel southbridge. Tests I've done show throughput drops proportionally to number of SATA drives connected to southbridge and results were horrific for 6 drives used simultaneously on Intel southbridge.



                    SAS controller on your motherboard is probably LSI using 4 pcie lanes - throughput was the same if you use 1 or 12 SAS drives (i lost the link to that blog I made).



                    Yes you might have to buy appropriate SAS cable (it's another topic, cheap on ebay from china).



                    The only reason where you might not use SAS is when BIOS doesn't allow booting from SAS drive (but todays everyone boots from NVME anyway).



                    Here is a test of my SAS setup, 16 drives on expander (expander slows things down, but results are shockingly better than you would achieve with intel southbridge).Simultaneous test of 6GB eMLC on 12GB controller + 24 port SAS expander



                    Simultaneous test of 6GB eMLC on 12GB controller + 24 port SAS expander. Doesn't matter if drive is sas or sata.






                    share|improve this answer
















                    Can I connect SATA drives to SAS connectors?




                    Yes, well known question / answer




                    Does the 6 Gb/s transfer rate means that I'll get an equivalent of SATA 3 (which is important if I use SATA 3 SSDs)?




                    Yes. They will negotiate the speed, slower device wins (12G sas ctrl will lower speed to sata 2 drive if needed) or drive will lower speed to older SAS controller. MSM software (or BIOS) can show you negotiated speeds.




                    Are there drawbacks using SAS connectors instead of SATA 3 ones for SATA 2 and SATA 3 drives? In other words, if the motherboard has both SATA 3 and SAS connectors, what is the reason, if any, to use SATA 3 connectors for SATA drives?




                    Use SAS. Usually SATA connector are part of Intel southbridge. Tests I've done show throughput drops proportionally to number of SATA drives connected to southbridge and results were horrific for 6 drives used simultaneously on Intel southbridge.



                    SAS controller on your motherboard is probably LSI using 4 pcie lanes - throughput was the same if you use 1 or 12 SAS drives (i lost the link to that blog I made).



                    Yes you might have to buy appropriate SAS cable (it's another topic, cheap on ebay from china).



                    The only reason where you might not use SAS is when BIOS doesn't allow booting from SAS drive (but todays everyone boots from NVME anyway).



                    Here is a test of my SAS setup, 16 drives on expander (expander slows things down, but results are shockingly better than you would achieve with intel southbridge).Simultaneous test of 6GB eMLC on 12GB controller + 24 port SAS expander



                    Simultaneous test of 6GB eMLC on 12GB controller + 24 port SAS expander. Doesn't matter if drive is sas or sata.







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                        You can usually (but not always) connect SATA drives to a SAS backplane - where the motherboard is designed to support it it will work, however there are a surprising number of corner cases - For example I help maintain a Dell Mass Storage array - it has an SAS backplane. You can plug a SATA drive in it and it will work - sort-of - until it causes corruption. You can get an "Interposer" to make a SATA drive work with an SAS backplane from Dell - of-course its not free.



                        On the otherhand, I've used SATA drives directly in Intel and HP systems without issues (well, without issues accepting SATA drives, the HP systems were older and did not like drives > 2TB).



                        Normally the spec sheet will tell you what drives are supported, although its usually not comprehensive.






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                          You can usually (but not always) connect SATA drives to a SAS backplane - where the motherboard is designed to support it it will work, however there are a surprising number of corner cases - For example I help maintain a Dell Mass Storage array - it has an SAS backplane. You can plug a SATA drive in it and it will work - sort-of - until it causes corruption. You can get an "Interposer" to make a SATA drive work with an SAS backplane from Dell - of-course its not free.



                          On the otherhand, I've used SATA drives directly in Intel and HP systems without issues (well, without issues accepting SATA drives, the HP systems were older and did not like drives > 2TB).



                          Normally the spec sheet will tell you what drives are supported, although its usually not comprehensive.






                          share|improve this answer


























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                            You can usually (but not always) connect SATA drives to a SAS backplane - where the motherboard is designed to support it it will work, however there are a surprising number of corner cases - For example I help maintain a Dell Mass Storage array - it has an SAS backplane. You can plug a SATA drive in it and it will work - sort-of - until it causes corruption. You can get an "Interposer" to make a SATA drive work with an SAS backplane from Dell - of-course its not free.



                            On the otherhand, I've used SATA drives directly in Intel and HP systems without issues (well, without issues accepting SATA drives, the HP systems were older and did not like drives > 2TB).



                            Normally the spec sheet will tell you what drives are supported, although its usually not comprehensive.






                            share|improve this answer













                            You can usually (but not always) connect SATA drives to a SAS backplane - where the motherboard is designed to support it it will work, however there are a surprising number of corner cases - For example I help maintain a Dell Mass Storage array - it has an SAS backplane. You can plug a SATA drive in it and it will work - sort-of - until it causes corruption. You can get an "Interposer" to make a SATA drive work with an SAS backplane from Dell - of-course its not free.



                            On the otherhand, I've used SATA drives directly in Intel and HP systems without issues (well, without issues accepting SATA drives, the HP systems were older and did not like drives > 2TB).



                            Normally the spec sheet will tell you what drives are supported, although its usually not comprehensive.







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                                The Wikipedia says




                                SAS offers backward compatibility with SATA, versions 2 and later. This allows for SATA drives to be connected to SAS backplanes. The reverse, connecting SAS drives to SATA backplanes, is not possible.




                                So...




                                • yes

                                • yes

                                • the reason to use a SATA port for a SATA drive? The things are kind of meant to go that way... If you want to connect the SATA drive to the SAS port, you'll need a breakout cable. The SAS port on your motherboard is probably the SFF-8087, but please double check that. If it is the case, you'll need something like this


                                Good luck :)






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                                  The Wikipedia says




                                  SAS offers backward compatibility with SATA, versions 2 and later. This allows for SATA drives to be connected to SAS backplanes. The reverse, connecting SAS drives to SATA backplanes, is not possible.




                                  So...




                                  • yes

                                  • yes

                                  • the reason to use a SATA port for a SATA drive? The things are kind of meant to go that way... If you want to connect the SATA drive to the SAS port, you'll need a breakout cable. The SAS port on your motherboard is probably the SFF-8087, but please double check that. If it is the case, you'll need something like this


                                  Good luck :)






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                                    The Wikipedia says




                                    SAS offers backward compatibility with SATA, versions 2 and later. This allows for SATA drives to be connected to SAS backplanes. The reverse, connecting SAS drives to SATA backplanes, is not possible.




                                    So...




                                    • yes

                                    • yes

                                    • the reason to use a SATA port for a SATA drive? The things are kind of meant to go that way... If you want to connect the SATA drive to the SAS port, you'll need a breakout cable. The SAS port on your motherboard is probably the SFF-8087, but please double check that. If it is the case, you'll need something like this


                                    Good luck :)






                                    share|improve this answer













                                    The Wikipedia says




                                    SAS offers backward compatibility with SATA, versions 2 and later. This allows for SATA drives to be connected to SAS backplanes. The reverse, connecting SAS drives to SATA backplanes, is not possible.




                                    So...




                                    • yes

                                    • yes

                                    • the reason to use a SATA port for a SATA drive? The things are kind of meant to go that way... If you want to connect the SATA drive to the SAS port, you'll need a breakout cable. The SAS port on your motherboard is probably the SFF-8087, but please double check that. If it is the case, you'll need something like this


                                    Good luck :)







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                                        The Seagate knowledgebase article Connecting SATA drive to SAS controller confirms you can do this:




                                        The use of SATA hard drives on SAS controllers is made possible by the
                                        fact that both share the same infrastructure and have similar
                                        features.




                                        • SATA drives may be plugged into SAS controllers.


                                        • SAS drives cannot be plugged into SATA controllers.








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                                        The Seagate knowledgebase article Connecting SATA drive to SAS controller confirms you can do this:




                                        The use of SATA hard drives on SAS controllers is made possible by the
                                        fact that both share the same infrastructure and have similar
                                        features.




                                        • SATA drives may be plugged into SAS controllers.


                                        • SAS drives cannot be plugged into SATA controllers.








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                                        The Seagate knowledgebase article Connecting SATA drive to SAS controller confirms you can do this:




                                        The use of SATA hard drives on SAS controllers is made possible by the
                                        fact that both share the same infrastructure and have similar
                                        features.




                                        • SATA drives may be plugged into SAS controllers.


                                        • SAS drives cannot be plugged into SATA controllers.








                                        share|improve this answer















                                        The Seagate knowledgebase article Connecting SATA drive to SAS controller confirms you can do this:




                                        The use of SATA hard drives on SAS controllers is made possible by the
                                        fact that both share the same infrastructure and have similar
                                        features.




                                        • SATA drives may be plugged into SAS controllers.


                                        • SAS drives cannot be plugged into SATA controllers.









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                                        It depends on the motherboard manufacturer. For example the HP, you may need a license dongle.



                                        The standards themselves are compatible, and you can connect SATA drives on SAS controllers.



                                        Of course, if the manufacturer is not something invented to benefit from the void.






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                                        The standards themselves are compatible, and you can connect SATA drives on SAS controllers.



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                                        It depends on the motherboard manufacturer. For example the HP, you may need a license dongle.



                                        The standards themselves are compatible, and you can connect SATA drives on SAS controllers.



                                        Of course, if the manufacturer is not something invented to benefit from the void.






                                        share|improve this answer













                                        It depends on the motherboard manufacturer. For example the HP, you may need a license dongle.



                                        The standards themselves are compatible, and you can connect SATA drives on SAS controllers.



                                        Of course, if the manufacturer is not something invented to benefit from the void.







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