How to proceed with this integral?











up vote
3
down vote

favorite
1













Let $ G:= left{ (x,y) in mathbb{R}^2 : 0 < y,: x^2 + frac{y^2}{9} <1: ,: x^2+y^2 > 1 right} $.



I want to calculate this integral:
$ displaystyleint_G x^2,dxdy $.




I want to try with polar coordinates:
so I set $ (x,y) = (rcosphi,rsinphi)$, but
I am not sure how to get the right boundaries for $phi $. Isn't it $ x^2 +y^2 = r^2 $ ?



Any help is very appreciated !










share|cite|improve this question




























    up vote
    3
    down vote

    favorite
    1













    Let $ G:= left{ (x,y) in mathbb{R}^2 : 0 < y,: x^2 + frac{y^2}{9} <1: ,: x^2+y^2 > 1 right} $.



    I want to calculate this integral:
    $ displaystyleint_G x^2,dxdy $.




    I want to try with polar coordinates:
    so I set $ (x,y) = (rcosphi,rsinphi)$, but
    I am not sure how to get the right boundaries for $phi $. Isn't it $ x^2 +y^2 = r^2 $ ?



    Any help is very appreciated !










    share|cite|improve this question


























      up vote
      3
      down vote

      favorite
      1









      up vote
      3
      down vote

      favorite
      1






      1






      Let $ G:= left{ (x,y) in mathbb{R}^2 : 0 < y,: x^2 + frac{y^2}{9} <1: ,: x^2+y^2 > 1 right} $.



      I want to calculate this integral:
      $ displaystyleint_G x^2,dxdy $.




      I want to try with polar coordinates:
      so I set $ (x,y) = (rcosphi,rsinphi)$, but
      I am not sure how to get the right boundaries for $phi $. Isn't it $ x^2 +y^2 = r^2 $ ?



      Any help is very appreciated !










      share|cite|improve this question
















      Let $ G:= left{ (x,y) in mathbb{R}^2 : 0 < y,: x^2 + frac{y^2}{9} <1: ,: x^2+y^2 > 1 right} $.



      I want to calculate this integral:
      $ displaystyleint_G x^2,dxdy $.




      I want to try with polar coordinates:
      so I set $ (x,y) = (rcosphi,rsinphi)$, but
      I am not sure how to get the right boundaries for $phi $. Isn't it $ x^2 +y^2 = r^2 $ ?



      Any help is very appreciated !







      calculus integration definite-integrals multiple-integral






      share|cite|improve this question















      share|cite|improve this question













      share|cite|improve this question




      share|cite|improve this question








      edited Nov 22 at 8:28









      Robert Z

      91.6k1058129




      91.6k1058129










      asked Nov 22 at 8:10









      wondering1123

      9810




      9810






















          3 Answers
          3






          active

          oldest

          votes

















          up vote
          9
          down vote













          Even though I believe that the other answers are the best way to go, I think that you can use polar coordinates if you wish.



          Since $y>0$, we are integrating over the first two quadrants, so that $0 leq phi leq pi$.
          Since $x^2+y^2> 1$, we have $r > 1$, and since $x^2+y^2/9 < 1$, we see that
          $$ r^2cos^2theta + frac{r^2sin^2theta}{9} < 1 quad Rightarrow quad r < frac{3}{sqrt{8cos^2theta+1}}. $$



          Thus
          begin{align}
          int_0^pi int_{1}^{frac{3}{sqrt{8cos^2theta+1}}} r^2cos^2theta cdot r ,mathrm dr , mathrm dtheta &= frac{81}{4} int_0^pi frac{cos^2theta}{(8cos^2theta+1)^2} , mathrm dtheta - frac{1}{4} int_0^pi cos^2theta , mathrm dtheta = frac{pi}{4}.
          end{align}






          share|cite|improve this answer






























            up vote
            5
            down vote













            It is not a good idea to use polar coordinates. The integral can be written as $int_{-1}^{1}int_{sqrt{1-x^{2}}} ^{3sqrt{1-x^{2}}}x^{2}, dy, dx=int_{-1}^{1}2sqrt {1-x^{2}}x^{2}, dx$. To evaluate this put $x=sin, theta$ and use the formulas $2sin, theta cos, theta =sin, 2theta$, $2sin^{2}, 2theta =1-cos (4theta)$.






            share|cite|improve this answer




























              up vote
              5
              down vote













              Why in polar coordinates? Maybe it is easier by cartesian coordinates. Note that in $G$, $-1leq xleq 1$ and
              $$sqrt{1-x^2}<y<3sqrt{1-x^2}.$$
              Therefore
              $$int_G x^2,dxdy=int_{x=-1}^1x^2left(3sqrt{1-x^2}-sqrt{1-x^2}right)dx$$
              Can you take it from here?






              share|cite|improve this answer























                Your Answer





                StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function () {
                return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function () {
                StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix) {
                StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["$", "$"], ["\\(","\\)"]]);
                });
                });
                }, "mathjax-editing");

                StackExchange.ready(function() {
                var channelOptions = {
                tags: "".split(" "),
                id: "69"
                };
                initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

                StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
                // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
                if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
                StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
                createEditor();
                });
                }
                else {
                createEditor();
                }
                });

                function createEditor() {
                StackExchange.prepareEditor({
                heartbeatType: 'answer',
                convertImagesToLinks: true,
                noModals: true,
                showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
                reputationToPostImages: 10,
                bindNavPrevention: true,
                postfix: "",
                imageUploader: {
                brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
                contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
                allowUrls: true
                },
                noCode: true, onDemand: true,
                discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
                ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
                });


                }
                });














                draft saved

                draft discarded


















                StackExchange.ready(
                function () {
                StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3008866%2fhow-to-proceed-with-this-integral%23new-answer', 'question_page');
                }
                );

                Post as a guest















                Required, but never shown

























                3 Answers
                3






                active

                oldest

                votes








                3 Answers
                3






                active

                oldest

                votes









                active

                oldest

                votes






                active

                oldest

                votes








                up vote
                9
                down vote













                Even though I believe that the other answers are the best way to go, I think that you can use polar coordinates if you wish.



                Since $y>0$, we are integrating over the first two quadrants, so that $0 leq phi leq pi$.
                Since $x^2+y^2> 1$, we have $r > 1$, and since $x^2+y^2/9 < 1$, we see that
                $$ r^2cos^2theta + frac{r^2sin^2theta}{9} < 1 quad Rightarrow quad r < frac{3}{sqrt{8cos^2theta+1}}. $$



                Thus
                begin{align}
                int_0^pi int_{1}^{frac{3}{sqrt{8cos^2theta+1}}} r^2cos^2theta cdot r ,mathrm dr , mathrm dtheta &= frac{81}{4} int_0^pi frac{cos^2theta}{(8cos^2theta+1)^2} , mathrm dtheta - frac{1}{4} int_0^pi cos^2theta , mathrm dtheta = frac{pi}{4}.
                end{align}






                share|cite|improve this answer



























                  up vote
                  9
                  down vote













                  Even though I believe that the other answers are the best way to go, I think that you can use polar coordinates if you wish.



                  Since $y>0$, we are integrating over the first two quadrants, so that $0 leq phi leq pi$.
                  Since $x^2+y^2> 1$, we have $r > 1$, and since $x^2+y^2/9 < 1$, we see that
                  $$ r^2cos^2theta + frac{r^2sin^2theta}{9} < 1 quad Rightarrow quad r < frac{3}{sqrt{8cos^2theta+1}}. $$



                  Thus
                  begin{align}
                  int_0^pi int_{1}^{frac{3}{sqrt{8cos^2theta+1}}} r^2cos^2theta cdot r ,mathrm dr , mathrm dtheta &= frac{81}{4} int_0^pi frac{cos^2theta}{(8cos^2theta+1)^2} , mathrm dtheta - frac{1}{4} int_0^pi cos^2theta , mathrm dtheta = frac{pi}{4}.
                  end{align}






                  share|cite|improve this answer

























                    up vote
                    9
                    down vote










                    up vote
                    9
                    down vote









                    Even though I believe that the other answers are the best way to go, I think that you can use polar coordinates if you wish.



                    Since $y>0$, we are integrating over the first two quadrants, so that $0 leq phi leq pi$.
                    Since $x^2+y^2> 1$, we have $r > 1$, and since $x^2+y^2/9 < 1$, we see that
                    $$ r^2cos^2theta + frac{r^2sin^2theta}{9} < 1 quad Rightarrow quad r < frac{3}{sqrt{8cos^2theta+1}}. $$



                    Thus
                    begin{align}
                    int_0^pi int_{1}^{frac{3}{sqrt{8cos^2theta+1}}} r^2cos^2theta cdot r ,mathrm dr , mathrm dtheta &= frac{81}{4} int_0^pi frac{cos^2theta}{(8cos^2theta+1)^2} , mathrm dtheta - frac{1}{4} int_0^pi cos^2theta , mathrm dtheta = frac{pi}{4}.
                    end{align}






                    share|cite|improve this answer














                    Even though I believe that the other answers are the best way to go, I think that you can use polar coordinates if you wish.



                    Since $y>0$, we are integrating over the first two quadrants, so that $0 leq phi leq pi$.
                    Since $x^2+y^2> 1$, we have $r > 1$, and since $x^2+y^2/9 < 1$, we see that
                    $$ r^2cos^2theta + frac{r^2sin^2theta}{9} < 1 quad Rightarrow quad r < frac{3}{sqrt{8cos^2theta+1}}. $$



                    Thus
                    begin{align}
                    int_0^pi int_{1}^{frac{3}{sqrt{8cos^2theta+1}}} r^2cos^2theta cdot r ,mathrm dr , mathrm dtheta &= frac{81}{4} int_0^pi frac{cos^2theta}{(8cos^2theta+1)^2} , mathrm dtheta - frac{1}{4} int_0^pi cos^2theta , mathrm dtheta = frac{pi}{4}.
                    end{align}







                    share|cite|improve this answer














                    share|cite|improve this answer



                    share|cite|improve this answer








                    edited Nov 22 at 13:05

























                    answered Nov 22 at 8:37









                    MisterRiemann

                    5,4991623




                    5,4991623






















                        up vote
                        5
                        down vote













                        It is not a good idea to use polar coordinates. The integral can be written as $int_{-1}^{1}int_{sqrt{1-x^{2}}} ^{3sqrt{1-x^{2}}}x^{2}, dy, dx=int_{-1}^{1}2sqrt {1-x^{2}}x^{2}, dx$. To evaluate this put $x=sin, theta$ and use the formulas $2sin, theta cos, theta =sin, 2theta$, $2sin^{2}, 2theta =1-cos (4theta)$.






                        share|cite|improve this answer

























                          up vote
                          5
                          down vote













                          It is not a good idea to use polar coordinates. The integral can be written as $int_{-1}^{1}int_{sqrt{1-x^{2}}} ^{3sqrt{1-x^{2}}}x^{2}, dy, dx=int_{-1}^{1}2sqrt {1-x^{2}}x^{2}, dx$. To evaluate this put $x=sin, theta$ and use the formulas $2sin, theta cos, theta =sin, 2theta$, $2sin^{2}, 2theta =1-cos (4theta)$.






                          share|cite|improve this answer























                            up vote
                            5
                            down vote










                            up vote
                            5
                            down vote









                            It is not a good idea to use polar coordinates. The integral can be written as $int_{-1}^{1}int_{sqrt{1-x^{2}}} ^{3sqrt{1-x^{2}}}x^{2}, dy, dx=int_{-1}^{1}2sqrt {1-x^{2}}x^{2}, dx$. To evaluate this put $x=sin, theta$ and use the formulas $2sin, theta cos, theta =sin, 2theta$, $2sin^{2}, 2theta =1-cos (4theta)$.






                            share|cite|improve this answer












                            It is not a good idea to use polar coordinates. The integral can be written as $int_{-1}^{1}int_{sqrt{1-x^{2}}} ^{3sqrt{1-x^{2}}}x^{2}, dy, dx=int_{-1}^{1}2sqrt {1-x^{2}}x^{2}, dx$. To evaluate this put $x=sin, theta$ and use the formulas $2sin, theta cos, theta =sin, 2theta$, $2sin^{2}, 2theta =1-cos (4theta)$.







                            share|cite|improve this answer












                            share|cite|improve this answer



                            share|cite|improve this answer










                            answered Nov 22 at 8:20









                            Kavi Rama Murthy

                            45.1k31852




                            45.1k31852






















                                up vote
                                5
                                down vote













                                Why in polar coordinates? Maybe it is easier by cartesian coordinates. Note that in $G$, $-1leq xleq 1$ and
                                $$sqrt{1-x^2}<y<3sqrt{1-x^2}.$$
                                Therefore
                                $$int_G x^2,dxdy=int_{x=-1}^1x^2left(3sqrt{1-x^2}-sqrt{1-x^2}right)dx$$
                                Can you take it from here?






                                share|cite|improve this answer



























                                  up vote
                                  5
                                  down vote













                                  Why in polar coordinates? Maybe it is easier by cartesian coordinates. Note that in $G$, $-1leq xleq 1$ and
                                  $$sqrt{1-x^2}<y<3sqrt{1-x^2}.$$
                                  Therefore
                                  $$int_G x^2,dxdy=int_{x=-1}^1x^2left(3sqrt{1-x^2}-sqrt{1-x^2}right)dx$$
                                  Can you take it from here?






                                  share|cite|improve this answer

























                                    up vote
                                    5
                                    down vote










                                    up vote
                                    5
                                    down vote









                                    Why in polar coordinates? Maybe it is easier by cartesian coordinates. Note that in $G$, $-1leq xleq 1$ and
                                    $$sqrt{1-x^2}<y<3sqrt{1-x^2}.$$
                                    Therefore
                                    $$int_G x^2,dxdy=int_{x=-1}^1x^2left(3sqrt{1-x^2}-sqrt{1-x^2}right)dx$$
                                    Can you take it from here?






                                    share|cite|improve this answer














                                    Why in polar coordinates? Maybe it is easier by cartesian coordinates. Note that in $G$, $-1leq xleq 1$ and
                                    $$sqrt{1-x^2}<y<3sqrt{1-x^2}.$$
                                    Therefore
                                    $$int_G x^2,dxdy=int_{x=-1}^1x^2left(3sqrt{1-x^2}-sqrt{1-x^2}right)dx$$
                                    Can you take it from here?







                                    share|cite|improve this answer














                                    share|cite|improve this answer



                                    share|cite|improve this answer








                                    edited Nov 22 at 8:33

























                                    answered Nov 22 at 8:20









                                    Robert Z

                                    91.6k1058129




                                    91.6k1058129






























                                        draft saved

                                        draft discarded




















































                                        Thanks for contributing an answer to Mathematics Stack Exchange!


                                        • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

                                        But avoid



                                        • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

                                        • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


                                        Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.


                                        To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.





                                        Some of your past answers have not been well-received, and you're in danger of being blocked from answering.


                                        Please pay close attention to the following guidance:


                                        • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

                                        But avoid



                                        • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

                                        • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


                                        To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




                                        draft saved


                                        draft discarded














                                        StackExchange.ready(
                                        function () {
                                        StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f3008866%2fhow-to-proceed-with-this-integral%23new-answer', 'question_page');
                                        }
                                        );

                                        Post as a guest















                                        Required, but never shown





















































                                        Required, but never shown














                                        Required, but never shown












                                        Required, but never shown







                                        Required, but never shown

































                                        Required, but never shown














                                        Required, but never shown












                                        Required, but never shown







                                        Required, but never shown







                                        Popular posts from this blog

                                        Сан-Квентин

                                        Алькесар

                                        Josef Freinademetz