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A 2017 Time article discussing the crumbling, wearing out, and water damage of France's Notre Dame Cathedral prior to the 2019 fire writes (emphasis added):




Notre Dame, which looms over the capital from an island in the center of the city, is a constant reminder of Paris’ history. It has seen more than its share of epic dramas, including the French Revolution and two world wars. But now there is another challenge. Some 854 years after construction began, one of Europe’s most visited sites, with about 12 million tourists a year, is in dire need of repairs. Centuries of weather have worn away at the stone. The fumes from decades of gridlock have only worsened the damage. “Pollution is the biggest culprit,” says Philippe Villeneuve, architect in chief of historic monuments in France. “We need to replace the ruined stones. We need to replace the joints with traditional materials. This is going to be extensive.”




Is pollution "the biggest culprit" in causing damage to the structure?



Two sentences before the bolded line, Time writes "Centuries of weather have worn away at the stone." This wouldn't appear to be pollution. Time also writes "Water damage to the spire’s covering is threatening the wood-timber roof, which the medieval craftsmen built using 5,000 oak trees." Again, this wouldn't appear to be pollution.










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A 2017 Time article discussing the crumbling, wearing out, and water damage of France's Notre Dame Cathedral prior to the 2019 fire writes (emphasis added):




Notre Dame, which looms over the capital from an island in the center of the city, is a constant reminder of Paris’ history. It has seen more than its share of epic dramas, including the French Revolution and two world wars. But now there is another challenge. Some 854 years after construction began, one of Europe’s most visited sites, with about 12 million tourists a year, is in dire need of repairs. Centuries of weather have worn away at the stone. The fumes from decades of gridlock have only worsened the damage. “Pollution is the biggest culprit,” says Philippe Villeneuve, architect in chief of historic monuments in France. “We need to replace the ruined stones. We need to replace the joints with traditional materials. This is going to be extensive.”




Is pollution "the biggest culprit" in causing damage to the structure?



Two sentences before the bolded line, Time writes "Centuries of weather have worn away at the stone." This wouldn't appear to be pollution. Time also writes "Water damage to the spire’s covering is threatening the wood-timber roof, which the medieval craftsmen built using 5,000 oak trees." Again, this wouldn't appear to be pollution.










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  • The claim is very vague and unclear. What does it mean to be a "biggest culprit"? Is there only one? Doesn't it depend on how you model the list of "culprits"?

    – Oddthinking
    18 mins ago











  • Perhaps "Has air pollution caused damage to the Notre Dame Cathedral" would be clearer?

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    17 mins ago














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A 2017 Time article discussing the crumbling, wearing out, and water damage of France's Notre Dame Cathedral prior to the 2019 fire writes (emphasis added):




Notre Dame, which looms over the capital from an island in the center of the city, is a constant reminder of Paris’ history. It has seen more than its share of epic dramas, including the French Revolution and two world wars. But now there is another challenge. Some 854 years after construction began, one of Europe’s most visited sites, with about 12 million tourists a year, is in dire need of repairs. Centuries of weather have worn away at the stone. The fumes from decades of gridlock have only worsened the damage. “Pollution is the biggest culprit,” says Philippe Villeneuve, architect in chief of historic monuments in France. “We need to replace the ruined stones. We need to replace the joints with traditional materials. This is going to be extensive.”




Is pollution "the biggest culprit" in causing damage to the structure?



Two sentences before the bolded line, Time writes "Centuries of weather have worn away at the stone." This wouldn't appear to be pollution. Time also writes "Water damage to the spire’s covering is threatening the wood-timber roof, which the medieval craftsmen built using 5,000 oak trees." Again, this wouldn't appear to be pollution.










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A 2017 Time article discussing the crumbling, wearing out, and water damage of France's Notre Dame Cathedral prior to the 2019 fire writes (emphasis added):




Notre Dame, which looms over the capital from an island in the center of the city, is a constant reminder of Paris’ history. It has seen more than its share of epic dramas, including the French Revolution and two world wars. But now there is another challenge. Some 854 years after construction began, one of Europe’s most visited sites, with about 12 million tourists a year, is in dire need of repairs. Centuries of weather have worn away at the stone. The fumes from decades of gridlock have only worsened the damage. “Pollution is the biggest culprit,” says Philippe Villeneuve, architect in chief of historic monuments in France. “We need to replace the ruined stones. We need to replace the joints with traditional materials. This is going to be extensive.”




Is pollution "the biggest culprit" in causing damage to the structure?



Two sentences before the bolded line, Time writes "Centuries of weather have worn away at the stone." This wouldn't appear to be pollution. Time also writes "Water damage to the spire’s covering is threatening the wood-timber roof, which the medieval craftsmen built using 5,000 oak trees." Again, this wouldn't appear to be pollution.







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  • The claim is very vague and unclear. What does it mean to be a "biggest culprit"? Is there only one? Doesn't it depend on how you model the list of "culprits"?

    – Oddthinking
    18 mins ago











  • Perhaps "Has air pollution caused damage to the Notre Dame Cathedral" would be clearer?

    – Oddthinking
    17 mins ago



















  • Please help tag/improve the question as necessary. Thanks!

    – Barry Harrison
    4 hours ago











  • The claim is very vague and unclear. What does it mean to be a "biggest culprit"? Is there only one? Doesn't it depend on how you model the list of "culprits"?

    – Oddthinking
    18 mins ago











  • Perhaps "Has air pollution caused damage to the Notre Dame Cathedral" would be clearer?

    – Oddthinking
    17 mins ago

















Please help tag/improve the question as necessary. Thanks!

– Barry Harrison
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Please help tag/improve the question as necessary. Thanks!

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4 hours ago













The claim is very vague and unclear. What does it mean to be a "biggest culprit"? Is there only one? Doesn't it depend on how you model the list of "culprits"?

– Oddthinking
18 mins ago





The claim is very vague and unclear. What does it mean to be a "biggest culprit"? Is there only one? Doesn't it depend on how you model the list of "culprits"?

– Oddthinking
18 mins ago













Perhaps "Has air pollution caused damage to the Notre Dame Cathedral" would be clearer?

– Oddthinking
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Perhaps "Has air pollution caused damage to the Notre Dame Cathedral" would be clearer?

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This study shows that natural stones (sandstones, limestones, marble) are severely affected by the emissions of SO2 and that culturally valuable objects in Europe are affected by SO2.



Damage on building materials



The problem is that




In particular, calcium oxide (lime) reacts with sulfur dioxide to form calcium sulfite:
CaO + SO2 → CaSO3




Here are the SO2 levels in France over the last 60 years. And while now the concentrations are very low, in the 60's it was more than 300 times the concentration.



SO2 level France over the years



And in the French Wikipedia it is mentioned that one of the main building materials were limestones.



French:




On y exploitait des formations calcaires de grande qualité : les calcaires du Lutétien, datant de 40 à 46 millions d'années, très caractéristiques de l'architecture de toute la région parisienne.




English (via google translator):




High-grade limestone formations were exploited there: the 40 to 46 million year-old limestone of Lutétien, very characteristic of the architecture of the entire Paris region.




Also is CO2 a major factor, because Calciumcarbonate was used in the construction industry




The main use of calcium carbonate is in the construction industry, either as a building material, or limestone aggregate for road building, as an ingredient of cement, or as the starting material for the preparation of builders' lime by burning in a kiln.




And like SO2, CO2 reacts with Calciumcarbonate, looking at the same study above



Decoloriation





Of course it is hard to pinpoint down the exact amount of pollution levels per time needed to damage the stones, but nevertheless the effect of pollutants like SO2 and CO2 on natural stones is present.






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    Notre Dame will have been built with lime mortar, which is essentially sand held together with calcium carbonate. As such the mortar will be very vulnerable to air pollution.

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    In addition to the numbers above, please keep in mind that SO2 emissions did not start in the 50s. The main source for these is coal burning, which was the main fuel source of the industrial revolution. People complained about the bad air in Paris as early as the 18th century, and attributed the health effects to sulfuric acid in the late 19th. And while SO2 and NO2 emissions increased until the 1980s, they where already high in Europe 100 years earlier. (doi.org/10.1080/08940630.1989.10466519)

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  • @DocM You are free to edit my post, if you attach some sources.

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  • @Maxim Sorry, but I don’t have the time for a full literature search and edit right now. But there are sources like the one given above that track air pollution for larger areas. If the decrease that started in the 60s in Paris correlates to a decrease in the while country, it could be argued that the increase would correlate as well. Some numbers are here: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1034/…

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active

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1 Answer
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active

oldest

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active

oldest

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active

oldest

votes









6














Maybe.



This study shows that natural stones (sandstones, limestones, marble) are severely affected by the emissions of SO2 and that culturally valuable objects in Europe are affected by SO2.



Damage on building materials



The problem is that




In particular, calcium oxide (lime) reacts with sulfur dioxide to form calcium sulfite:
CaO + SO2 → CaSO3




Here are the SO2 levels in France over the last 60 years. And while now the concentrations are very low, in the 60's it was more than 300 times the concentration.



SO2 level France over the years



And in the French Wikipedia it is mentioned that one of the main building materials were limestones.



French:




On y exploitait des formations calcaires de grande qualité : les calcaires du Lutétien, datant de 40 à 46 millions d'années, très caractéristiques de l'architecture de toute la région parisienne.




English (via google translator):




High-grade limestone formations were exploited there: the 40 to 46 million year-old limestone of Lutétien, very characteristic of the architecture of the entire Paris region.




Also is CO2 a major factor, because Calciumcarbonate was used in the construction industry




The main use of calcium carbonate is in the construction industry, either as a building material, or limestone aggregate for road building, as an ingredient of cement, or as the starting material for the preparation of builders' lime by burning in a kiln.




And like SO2, CO2 reacts with Calciumcarbonate, looking at the same study above



Decoloriation





Of course it is hard to pinpoint down the exact amount of pollution levels per time needed to damage the stones, but nevertheless the effect of pollutants like SO2 and CO2 on natural stones is present.






share|improve this answer





















  • 2





    Notre Dame will have been built with lime mortar, which is essentially sand held together with calcium carbonate. As such the mortar will be very vulnerable to air pollution.

    – Martin Bonner
    1 hour ago






  • 1





    In addition to the numbers above, please keep in mind that SO2 emissions did not start in the 50s. The main source for these is coal burning, which was the main fuel source of the industrial revolution. People complained about the bad air in Paris as early as the 18th century, and attributed the health effects to sulfuric acid in the late 19th. And while SO2 and NO2 emissions increased until the 1980s, they where already high in Europe 100 years earlier. (doi.org/10.1080/08940630.1989.10466519)

    – DocM
    14 mins ago













  • @DocM You are free to edit my post, if you attach some sources.

    – Maxim
    12 mins ago











  • @Maxim Sorry, but I don’t have the time for a full literature search and edit right now. But there are sources like the one given above that track air pollution for larger areas. If the decrease that started in the 60s in Paris correlates to a decrease in the while country, it could be argued that the increase would correlate as well. Some numbers are here: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1034/…

    – DocM
    1 min ago
















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Maybe.



This study shows that natural stones (sandstones, limestones, marble) are severely affected by the emissions of SO2 and that culturally valuable objects in Europe are affected by SO2.



Damage on building materials



The problem is that




In particular, calcium oxide (lime) reacts with sulfur dioxide to form calcium sulfite:
CaO + SO2 → CaSO3




Here are the SO2 levels in France over the last 60 years. And while now the concentrations are very low, in the 60's it was more than 300 times the concentration.



SO2 level France over the years



And in the French Wikipedia it is mentioned that one of the main building materials were limestones.



French:




On y exploitait des formations calcaires de grande qualité : les calcaires du Lutétien, datant de 40 à 46 millions d'années, très caractéristiques de l'architecture de toute la région parisienne.




English (via google translator):




High-grade limestone formations were exploited there: the 40 to 46 million year-old limestone of Lutétien, very characteristic of the architecture of the entire Paris region.




Also is CO2 a major factor, because Calciumcarbonate was used in the construction industry




The main use of calcium carbonate is in the construction industry, either as a building material, or limestone aggregate for road building, as an ingredient of cement, or as the starting material for the preparation of builders' lime by burning in a kiln.




And like SO2, CO2 reacts with Calciumcarbonate, looking at the same study above



Decoloriation





Of course it is hard to pinpoint down the exact amount of pollution levels per time needed to damage the stones, but nevertheless the effect of pollutants like SO2 and CO2 on natural stones is present.






share|improve this answer





















  • 2





    Notre Dame will have been built with lime mortar, which is essentially sand held together with calcium carbonate. As such the mortar will be very vulnerable to air pollution.

    – Martin Bonner
    1 hour ago






  • 1





    In addition to the numbers above, please keep in mind that SO2 emissions did not start in the 50s. The main source for these is coal burning, which was the main fuel source of the industrial revolution. People complained about the bad air in Paris as early as the 18th century, and attributed the health effects to sulfuric acid in the late 19th. And while SO2 and NO2 emissions increased until the 1980s, they where already high in Europe 100 years earlier. (doi.org/10.1080/08940630.1989.10466519)

    – DocM
    14 mins ago













  • @DocM You are free to edit my post, if you attach some sources.

    – Maxim
    12 mins ago











  • @Maxim Sorry, but I don’t have the time for a full literature search and edit right now. But there are sources like the one given above that track air pollution for larger areas. If the decrease that started in the 60s in Paris correlates to a decrease in the while country, it could be argued that the increase would correlate as well. Some numbers are here: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1034/…

    – DocM
    1 min ago














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6







Maybe.



This study shows that natural stones (sandstones, limestones, marble) are severely affected by the emissions of SO2 and that culturally valuable objects in Europe are affected by SO2.



Damage on building materials



The problem is that




In particular, calcium oxide (lime) reacts with sulfur dioxide to form calcium sulfite:
CaO + SO2 → CaSO3




Here are the SO2 levels in France over the last 60 years. And while now the concentrations are very low, in the 60's it was more than 300 times the concentration.



SO2 level France over the years



And in the French Wikipedia it is mentioned that one of the main building materials were limestones.



French:




On y exploitait des formations calcaires de grande qualité : les calcaires du Lutétien, datant de 40 à 46 millions d'années, très caractéristiques de l'architecture de toute la région parisienne.




English (via google translator):




High-grade limestone formations were exploited there: the 40 to 46 million year-old limestone of Lutétien, very characteristic of the architecture of the entire Paris region.




Also is CO2 a major factor, because Calciumcarbonate was used in the construction industry




The main use of calcium carbonate is in the construction industry, either as a building material, or limestone aggregate for road building, as an ingredient of cement, or as the starting material for the preparation of builders' lime by burning in a kiln.




And like SO2, CO2 reacts with Calciumcarbonate, looking at the same study above



Decoloriation





Of course it is hard to pinpoint down the exact amount of pollution levels per time needed to damage the stones, but nevertheless the effect of pollutants like SO2 and CO2 on natural stones is present.






share|improve this answer















Maybe.



This study shows that natural stones (sandstones, limestones, marble) are severely affected by the emissions of SO2 and that culturally valuable objects in Europe are affected by SO2.



Damage on building materials



The problem is that




In particular, calcium oxide (lime) reacts with sulfur dioxide to form calcium sulfite:
CaO + SO2 → CaSO3




Here are the SO2 levels in France over the last 60 years. And while now the concentrations are very low, in the 60's it was more than 300 times the concentration.



SO2 level France over the years



And in the French Wikipedia it is mentioned that one of the main building materials were limestones.



French:




On y exploitait des formations calcaires de grande qualité : les calcaires du Lutétien, datant de 40 à 46 millions d'années, très caractéristiques de l'architecture de toute la région parisienne.




English (via google translator):




High-grade limestone formations were exploited there: the 40 to 46 million year-old limestone of Lutétien, very characteristic of the architecture of the entire Paris region.




Also is CO2 a major factor, because Calciumcarbonate was used in the construction industry




The main use of calcium carbonate is in the construction industry, either as a building material, or limestone aggregate for road building, as an ingredient of cement, or as the starting material for the preparation of builders' lime by burning in a kiln.




And like SO2, CO2 reacts with Calciumcarbonate, looking at the same study above



Decoloriation





Of course it is hard to pinpoint down the exact amount of pollution levels per time needed to damage the stones, but nevertheless the effect of pollutants like SO2 and CO2 on natural stones is present.







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    Notre Dame will have been built with lime mortar, which is essentially sand held together with calcium carbonate. As such the mortar will be very vulnerable to air pollution.

    – Martin Bonner
    1 hour ago






  • 1





    In addition to the numbers above, please keep in mind that SO2 emissions did not start in the 50s. The main source for these is coal burning, which was the main fuel source of the industrial revolution. People complained about the bad air in Paris as early as the 18th century, and attributed the health effects to sulfuric acid in the late 19th. And while SO2 and NO2 emissions increased until the 1980s, they where already high in Europe 100 years earlier. (doi.org/10.1080/08940630.1989.10466519)

    – DocM
    14 mins ago













  • @DocM You are free to edit my post, if you attach some sources.

    – Maxim
    12 mins ago











  • @Maxim Sorry, but I don’t have the time for a full literature search and edit right now. But there are sources like the one given above that track air pollution for larger areas. If the decrease that started in the 60s in Paris correlates to a decrease in the while country, it could be argued that the increase would correlate as well. Some numbers are here: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1034/…

    – DocM
    1 min ago














  • 2





    Notre Dame will have been built with lime mortar, which is essentially sand held together with calcium carbonate. As such the mortar will be very vulnerable to air pollution.

    – Martin Bonner
    1 hour ago






  • 1





    In addition to the numbers above, please keep in mind that SO2 emissions did not start in the 50s. The main source for these is coal burning, which was the main fuel source of the industrial revolution. People complained about the bad air in Paris as early as the 18th century, and attributed the health effects to sulfuric acid in the late 19th. And while SO2 and NO2 emissions increased until the 1980s, they where already high in Europe 100 years earlier. (doi.org/10.1080/08940630.1989.10466519)

    – DocM
    14 mins ago













  • @DocM You are free to edit my post, if you attach some sources.

    – Maxim
    12 mins ago











  • @Maxim Sorry, but I don’t have the time for a full literature search and edit right now. But there are sources like the one given above that track air pollution for larger areas. If the decrease that started in the 60s in Paris correlates to a decrease in the while country, it could be argued that the increase would correlate as well. Some numbers are here: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1034/…

    – DocM
    1 min ago








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Notre Dame will have been built with lime mortar, which is essentially sand held together with calcium carbonate. As such the mortar will be very vulnerable to air pollution.

– Martin Bonner
1 hour ago





Notre Dame will have been built with lime mortar, which is essentially sand held together with calcium carbonate. As such the mortar will be very vulnerable to air pollution.

– Martin Bonner
1 hour ago




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In addition to the numbers above, please keep in mind that SO2 emissions did not start in the 50s. The main source for these is coal burning, which was the main fuel source of the industrial revolution. People complained about the bad air in Paris as early as the 18th century, and attributed the health effects to sulfuric acid in the late 19th. And while SO2 and NO2 emissions increased until the 1980s, they where already high in Europe 100 years earlier. (doi.org/10.1080/08940630.1989.10466519)

– DocM
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In addition to the numbers above, please keep in mind that SO2 emissions did not start in the 50s. The main source for these is coal burning, which was the main fuel source of the industrial revolution. People complained about the bad air in Paris as early as the 18th century, and attributed the health effects to sulfuric acid in the late 19th. And while SO2 and NO2 emissions increased until the 1980s, they where already high in Europe 100 years earlier. (doi.org/10.1080/08940630.1989.10466519)

– DocM
14 mins ago















@DocM You are free to edit my post, if you attach some sources.

– Maxim
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@DocM You are free to edit my post, if you attach some sources.

– Maxim
12 mins ago













@Maxim Sorry, but I don’t have the time for a full literature search and edit right now. But there are sources like the one given above that track air pollution for larger areas. If the decrease that started in the 60s in Paris correlates to a decrease in the while country, it could be argued that the increase would correlate as well. Some numbers are here: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1034/…

– DocM
1 min ago





@Maxim Sorry, but I don’t have the time for a full literature search and edit right now. But there are sources like the one given above that track air pollution for larger areas. If the decrease that started in the 60s in Paris correlates to a decrease in the while country, it could be argued that the increase would correlate as well. Some numbers are here: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1034/…

– DocM
1 min ago