How come Sam didn't become Lord of Horn Hill?
After both his father and brother (who was the heir) executed in Season 7, how come that Samwell Tarly didn't become the new head of the House, i.e. Lord of Horn Hill?
I would expect the remaining house leaders to have sent Sam a message letting him know of what happened and asking him to come back home to rule the house.
Why didn't it happen, and he wasn't even notified?
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After both his father and brother (who was the heir) executed in Season 7, how come that Samwell Tarly didn't become the new head of the House, i.e. Lord of Horn Hill?
I would expect the remaining house leaders to have sent Sam a message letting him know of what happened and asking him to come back home to rule the house.
Why didn't it happen, and he wasn't even notified?
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After both his father and brother (who was the heir) executed in Season 7, how come that Samwell Tarly didn't become the new head of the House, i.e. Lord of Horn Hill?
I would expect the remaining house leaders to have sent Sam a message letting him know of what happened and asking him to come back home to rule the house.
Why didn't it happen, and he wasn't even notified?
plot-explanation game-of-thrones
After both his father and brother (who was the heir) executed in Season 7, how come that Samwell Tarly didn't become the new head of the House, i.e. Lord of Horn Hill?
I would expect the remaining house leaders to have sent Sam a message letting him know of what happened and asking him to come back home to rule the house.
Why didn't it happen, and he wasn't even notified?
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Sam is a brother of the Night's Watch and has given up his right of succession as part of his oath.
Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come.
As for why he wasn't told of their death's well the maester's at the Citadel chose not to tell him "just yet".
MAESTER 1: Is he the one whose father and brother were just burned alive?
MARWYN: I'm afraid so.
MAESTER 2: Horrible business.
MARWYN: I don't have the heart to tell him yet. He's a good lad.
Game of Thrones, Season 7 Episode 5, "Eastwatch"
Thanks. However, Jon Snow was also in Night Watch yet became King of the North. How this conflict is explained then?
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
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@ShadowWizard Whilst it is a grey area Jon is technically no longer a member of the Night's Watch after his death.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
6
@ShadowWizard If he didn't die, I doubt he would have left the Wall which would mean the Battle of the Bastards wouldn't have happened and all that follows. Who's to say what could have happened?
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
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Jon considered his watch to have ended once he died, basically taking is vows really literally.
– JNat♦
1 hour ago
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@JNat Edd also takes it literally and quotes back at him "for this night and all the nights to come." As said it is a grey area with neither being truly correct or incorrect. It hasn't happened before so Jon just uses the loophole and hot legs it outta there.
– TheLethalCarrot
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Sam is in the Night's Watch.
Members renounce names and titles, so he can't become a Lord.
Thought he left the Night Watch officially, by getting permissions from its head. Didn't he? (i.e. he didn't just run away from the Night Watch)
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
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@ShadowWizard He is both a brother of the Night's Watch and a novice at the Citadel during his time there.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
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@LogicalBranch hat off to anyone who use a word like Synergise often enough that it's suggested by autocorrect. ;)
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
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@ShadowWizard He was sent to become a maester for the Night's Watch so breaking the oath wouldn't make much sense. Also I doubt he would have survived all that time wearing the black and clearly being a brother of the Night's Watch without being executed for desertion.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
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It's also unlikely that the rules allow for explicitly being broken. Sam renounced his claim, at which point it went to the next person in line (however that is determined at Horn Hill). Upon making his oath he formally removed himself from the succession forever, and breaking the oath doesn't change that. It could devolve into a whose-claim-is-better situation (a la Renly and Stannis), but "officially" the heir definitely is not, and cannot be, him.
– Upper_Case
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Because he has forsaken all claims to that title and any other title the moment he joined the Night's Watch.
Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come. - Night's Watch Vows
Not to mention that those who join the Citadel to become Maesters also forsake claims to titles.
When an acolyte of noble birth takes his vows and dons his chain, he puts aside his House name. He swears sacred vows, promising to hold no lands or lordships, and to be celibate. - Maester Vows
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Sam had not yet taken the oath to become a Maester so the second point isn't correct here. Acolytes and novices are free to leave as they please until they take the oath.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
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It is probably because of that scene with his father; when Sam was at home just before going to the citadel.
They were having a family dinner, and when Sam's father found out about Gilly being a wildling, the women left the table, and when they were alone, Randyll told Sam that Gilly and little Sam are welcome to stay there, Gilly will have to serve as a servant and he will raise his grandson, but Sam will no longer be welcome in Horn Hill and has to leave by first light. Sam then proceed to get Gilly and Heartsbane and go to the citadel.
So it is implied that Sam's father banished/disowned Sam, when he found out that his son is with a wildling.
His father did banish him, no doubt and I know that, but such thing should be nullified when the father and remaining heirs are dead. At least that's common sense for me. No?
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
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Randyll had already pretty much banished Sam anyway by forcing him off to the Wall so that Dickon could inherit.
– TheLethalCarrot
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Sam is a brother of the Night's Watch and has given up his right of succession as part of his oath.
Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come.
As for why he wasn't told of their death's well the maester's at the Citadel chose not to tell him "just yet".
MAESTER 1: Is he the one whose father and brother were just burned alive?
MARWYN: I'm afraid so.
MAESTER 2: Horrible business.
MARWYN: I don't have the heart to tell him yet. He's a good lad.
Game of Thrones, Season 7 Episode 5, "Eastwatch"
Thanks. However, Jon Snow was also in Night Watch yet became King of the North. How this conflict is explained then?
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
6
@ShadowWizard Whilst it is a grey area Jon is technically no longer a member of the Night's Watch after his death.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
6
@ShadowWizard If he didn't die, I doubt he would have left the Wall which would mean the Battle of the Bastards wouldn't have happened and all that follows. Who's to say what could have happened?
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
2
Jon considered his watch to have ended once he died, basically taking is vows really literally.
– JNat♦
1 hour ago
5
@JNat Edd also takes it literally and quotes back at him "for this night and all the nights to come." As said it is a grey area with neither being truly correct or incorrect. It hasn't happened before so Jon just uses the loophole and hot legs it outta there.
– TheLethalCarrot
58 mins ago
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Sam is a brother of the Night's Watch and has given up his right of succession as part of his oath.
Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come.
As for why he wasn't told of their death's well the maester's at the Citadel chose not to tell him "just yet".
MAESTER 1: Is he the one whose father and brother were just burned alive?
MARWYN: I'm afraid so.
MAESTER 2: Horrible business.
MARWYN: I don't have the heart to tell him yet. He's a good lad.
Game of Thrones, Season 7 Episode 5, "Eastwatch"
Thanks. However, Jon Snow was also in Night Watch yet became King of the North. How this conflict is explained then?
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
6
@ShadowWizard Whilst it is a grey area Jon is technically no longer a member of the Night's Watch after his death.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
6
@ShadowWizard If he didn't die, I doubt he would have left the Wall which would mean the Battle of the Bastards wouldn't have happened and all that follows. Who's to say what could have happened?
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
2
Jon considered his watch to have ended once he died, basically taking is vows really literally.
– JNat♦
1 hour ago
5
@JNat Edd also takes it literally and quotes back at him "for this night and all the nights to come." As said it is a grey area with neither being truly correct or incorrect. It hasn't happened before so Jon just uses the loophole and hot legs it outta there.
– TheLethalCarrot
58 mins ago
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Sam is a brother of the Night's Watch and has given up his right of succession as part of his oath.
Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come.
As for why he wasn't told of their death's well the maester's at the Citadel chose not to tell him "just yet".
MAESTER 1: Is he the one whose father and brother were just burned alive?
MARWYN: I'm afraid so.
MAESTER 2: Horrible business.
MARWYN: I don't have the heart to tell him yet. He's a good lad.
Game of Thrones, Season 7 Episode 5, "Eastwatch"
Sam is a brother of the Night's Watch and has given up his right of succession as part of his oath.
Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come.
As for why he wasn't told of their death's well the maester's at the Citadel chose not to tell him "just yet".
MAESTER 1: Is he the one whose father and brother were just burned alive?
MARWYN: I'm afraid so.
MAESTER 2: Horrible business.
MARWYN: I don't have the heart to tell him yet. He's a good lad.
Game of Thrones, Season 7 Episode 5, "Eastwatch"
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TheLethalCarrotTheLethalCarrot
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Thanks. However, Jon Snow was also in Night Watch yet became King of the North. How this conflict is explained then?
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
6
@ShadowWizard Whilst it is a grey area Jon is technically no longer a member of the Night's Watch after his death.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
6
@ShadowWizard If he didn't die, I doubt he would have left the Wall which would mean the Battle of the Bastards wouldn't have happened and all that follows. Who's to say what could have happened?
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
2
Jon considered his watch to have ended once he died, basically taking is vows really literally.
– JNat♦
1 hour ago
5
@JNat Edd also takes it literally and quotes back at him "for this night and all the nights to come." As said it is a grey area with neither being truly correct or incorrect. It hasn't happened before so Jon just uses the loophole and hot legs it outta there.
– TheLethalCarrot
58 mins ago
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Thanks. However, Jon Snow was also in Night Watch yet became King of the North. How this conflict is explained then?
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
6
@ShadowWizard Whilst it is a grey area Jon is technically no longer a member of the Night's Watch after his death.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
6
@ShadowWizard If he didn't die, I doubt he would have left the Wall which would mean the Battle of the Bastards wouldn't have happened and all that follows. Who's to say what could have happened?
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
2
Jon considered his watch to have ended once he died, basically taking is vows really literally.
– JNat♦
1 hour ago
5
@JNat Edd also takes it literally and quotes back at him "for this night and all the nights to come." As said it is a grey area with neither being truly correct or incorrect. It hasn't happened before so Jon just uses the loophole and hot legs it outta there.
– TheLethalCarrot
58 mins ago
Thanks. However, Jon Snow was also in Night Watch yet became King of the North. How this conflict is explained then?
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
Thanks. However, Jon Snow was also in Night Watch yet became King of the North. How this conflict is explained then?
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
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@ShadowWizard Whilst it is a grey area Jon is technically no longer a member of the Night's Watch after his death.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
@ShadowWizard Whilst it is a grey area Jon is technically no longer a member of the Night's Watch after his death.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
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6
@ShadowWizard If he didn't die, I doubt he would have left the Wall which would mean the Battle of the Bastards wouldn't have happened and all that follows. Who's to say what could have happened?
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
@ShadowWizard If he didn't die, I doubt he would have left the Wall which would mean the Battle of the Bastards wouldn't have happened and all that follows. Who's to say what could have happened?
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
2
2
Jon considered his watch to have ended once he died, basically taking is vows really literally.
– JNat♦
1 hour ago
Jon considered his watch to have ended once he died, basically taking is vows really literally.
– JNat♦
1 hour ago
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5
@JNat Edd also takes it literally and quotes back at him "for this night and all the nights to come." As said it is a grey area with neither being truly correct or incorrect. It hasn't happened before so Jon just uses the loophole and hot legs it outta there.
– TheLethalCarrot
58 mins ago
@JNat Edd also takes it literally and quotes back at him "for this night and all the nights to come." As said it is a grey area with neither being truly correct or incorrect. It hasn't happened before so Jon just uses the loophole and hot legs it outta there.
– TheLethalCarrot
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Sam is in the Night's Watch.
Members renounce names and titles, so he can't become a Lord.
Thought he left the Night Watch officially, by getting permissions from its head. Didn't he? (i.e. he didn't just run away from the Night Watch)
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
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@ShadowWizard He is both a brother of the Night's Watch and a novice at the Citadel during his time there.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
1
@LogicalBranch hat off to anyone who use a word like Synergise often enough that it's suggested by autocorrect. ;)
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
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@ShadowWizard He was sent to become a maester for the Night's Watch so breaking the oath wouldn't make much sense. Also I doubt he would have survived all that time wearing the black and clearly being a brother of the Night's Watch without being executed for desertion.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
1
It's also unlikely that the rules allow for explicitly being broken. Sam renounced his claim, at which point it went to the next person in line (however that is determined at Horn Hill). Upon making his oath he formally removed himself from the succession forever, and breaking the oath doesn't change that. It could devolve into a whose-claim-is-better situation (a la Renly and Stannis), but "officially" the heir definitely is not, and cannot be, him.
– Upper_Case
35 mins ago
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Sam is in the Night's Watch.
Members renounce names and titles, so he can't become a Lord.
Thought he left the Night Watch officially, by getting permissions from its head. Didn't he? (i.e. he didn't just run away from the Night Watch)
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
1
@ShadowWizard He is both a brother of the Night's Watch and a novice at the Citadel during his time there.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
1
@LogicalBranch hat off to anyone who use a word like Synergise often enough that it's suggested by autocorrect. ;)
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
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@ShadowWizard He was sent to become a maester for the Night's Watch so breaking the oath wouldn't make much sense. Also I doubt he would have survived all that time wearing the black and clearly being a brother of the Night's Watch without being executed for desertion.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
1
It's also unlikely that the rules allow for explicitly being broken. Sam renounced his claim, at which point it went to the next person in line (however that is determined at Horn Hill). Upon making his oath he formally removed himself from the succession forever, and breaking the oath doesn't change that. It could devolve into a whose-claim-is-better situation (a la Renly and Stannis), but "officially" the heir definitely is not, and cannot be, him.
– Upper_Case
35 mins ago
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Sam is in the Night's Watch.
Members renounce names and titles, so he can't become a Lord.
Sam is in the Night's Watch.
Members renounce names and titles, so he can't become a Lord.
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FedericoFederico
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Thought he left the Night Watch officially, by getting permissions from its head. Didn't he? (i.e. he didn't just run away from the Night Watch)
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
1
@ShadowWizard He is both a brother of the Night's Watch and a novice at the Citadel during his time there.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
1
@LogicalBranch hat off to anyone who use a word like Synergise often enough that it's suggested by autocorrect. ;)
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
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@ShadowWizard He was sent to become a maester for the Night's Watch so breaking the oath wouldn't make much sense. Also I doubt he would have survived all that time wearing the black and clearly being a brother of the Night's Watch without being executed for desertion.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
1
It's also unlikely that the rules allow for explicitly being broken. Sam renounced his claim, at which point it went to the next person in line (however that is determined at Horn Hill). Upon making his oath he formally removed himself from the succession forever, and breaking the oath doesn't change that. It could devolve into a whose-claim-is-better situation (a la Renly and Stannis), but "officially" the heir definitely is not, and cannot be, him.
– Upper_Case
35 mins ago
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Thought he left the Night Watch officially, by getting permissions from its head. Didn't he? (i.e. he didn't just run away from the Night Watch)
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
1
@ShadowWizard He is both a brother of the Night's Watch and a novice at the Citadel during his time there.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
1
@LogicalBranch hat off to anyone who use a word like Synergise often enough that it's suggested by autocorrect. ;)
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
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@ShadowWizard He was sent to become a maester for the Night's Watch so breaking the oath wouldn't make much sense. Also I doubt he would have survived all that time wearing the black and clearly being a brother of the Night's Watch without being executed for desertion.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
1
It's also unlikely that the rules allow for explicitly being broken. Sam renounced his claim, at which point it went to the next person in line (however that is determined at Horn Hill). Upon making his oath he formally removed himself from the succession forever, and breaking the oath doesn't change that. It could devolve into a whose-claim-is-better situation (a la Renly and Stannis), but "officially" the heir definitely is not, and cannot be, him.
– Upper_Case
35 mins ago
Thought he left the Night Watch officially, by getting permissions from its head. Didn't he? (i.e. he didn't just run away from the Night Watch)
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
Thought he left the Night Watch officially, by getting permissions from its head. Didn't he? (i.e. he didn't just run away from the Night Watch)
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
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@ShadowWizard He is both a brother of the Night's Watch and a novice at the Citadel during his time there.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
@ShadowWizard He is both a brother of the Night's Watch and a novice at the Citadel during his time there.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
1
1
@LogicalBranch hat off to anyone who use a word like Synergise often enough that it's suggested by autocorrect. ;)
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
@LogicalBranch hat off to anyone who use a word like Synergise often enough that it's suggested by autocorrect. ;)
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
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@ShadowWizard He was sent to become a maester for the Night's Watch so breaking the oath wouldn't make much sense. Also I doubt he would have survived all that time wearing the black and clearly being a brother of the Night's Watch without being executed for desertion.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
@ShadowWizard He was sent to become a maester for the Night's Watch so breaking the oath wouldn't make much sense. Also I doubt he would have survived all that time wearing the black and clearly being a brother of the Night's Watch without being executed for desertion.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
1
1
It's also unlikely that the rules allow for explicitly being broken. Sam renounced his claim, at which point it went to the next person in line (however that is determined at Horn Hill). Upon making his oath he formally removed himself from the succession forever, and breaking the oath doesn't change that. It could devolve into a whose-claim-is-better situation (a la Renly and Stannis), but "officially" the heir definitely is not, and cannot be, him.
– Upper_Case
35 mins ago
It's also unlikely that the rules allow for explicitly being broken. Sam renounced his claim, at which point it went to the next person in line (however that is determined at Horn Hill). Upon making his oath he formally removed himself from the succession forever, and breaking the oath doesn't change that. It could devolve into a whose-claim-is-better situation (a la Renly and Stannis), but "officially" the heir definitely is not, and cannot be, him.
– Upper_Case
35 mins ago
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Because he has forsaken all claims to that title and any other title the moment he joined the Night's Watch.
Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come. - Night's Watch Vows
Not to mention that those who join the Citadel to become Maesters also forsake claims to titles.
When an acolyte of noble birth takes his vows and dons his chain, he puts aside his House name. He swears sacred vows, promising to hold no lands or lordships, and to be celibate. - Maester Vows
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Sam had not yet taken the oath to become a Maester so the second point isn't correct here. Acolytes and novices are free to leave as they please until they take the oath.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
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Because he has forsaken all claims to that title and any other title the moment he joined the Night's Watch.
Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come. - Night's Watch Vows
Not to mention that those who join the Citadel to become Maesters also forsake claims to titles.
When an acolyte of noble birth takes his vows and dons his chain, he puts aside his House name. He swears sacred vows, promising to hold no lands or lordships, and to be celibate. - Maester Vows
3
Sam had not yet taken the oath to become a Maester so the second point isn't correct here. Acolytes and novices are free to leave as they please until they take the oath.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
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Because he has forsaken all claims to that title and any other title the moment he joined the Night's Watch.
Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come. - Night's Watch Vows
Not to mention that those who join the Citadel to become Maesters also forsake claims to titles.
When an acolyte of noble birth takes his vows and dons his chain, he puts aside his House name. He swears sacred vows, promising to hold no lands or lordships, and to be celibate. - Maester Vows
Because he has forsaken all claims to that title and any other title the moment he joined the Night's Watch.
Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come. - Night's Watch Vows
Not to mention that those who join the Citadel to become Maesters also forsake claims to titles.
When an acolyte of noble birth takes his vows and dons his chain, he puts aside his House name. He swears sacred vows, promising to hold no lands or lordships, and to be celibate. - Maester Vows
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Sam had not yet taken the oath to become a Maester so the second point isn't correct here. Acolytes and novices are free to leave as they please until they take the oath.
– TheLethalCarrot
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Sam had not yet taken the oath to become a Maester so the second point isn't correct here. Acolytes and novices are free to leave as they please until they take the oath.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
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Sam had not yet taken the oath to become a Maester so the second point isn't correct here. Acolytes and novices are free to leave as they please until they take the oath.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
Sam had not yet taken the oath to become a Maester so the second point isn't correct here. Acolytes and novices are free to leave as they please until they take the oath.
– TheLethalCarrot
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It is probably because of that scene with his father; when Sam was at home just before going to the citadel.
They were having a family dinner, and when Sam's father found out about Gilly being a wildling, the women left the table, and when they were alone, Randyll told Sam that Gilly and little Sam are welcome to stay there, Gilly will have to serve as a servant and he will raise his grandson, but Sam will no longer be welcome in Horn Hill and has to leave by first light. Sam then proceed to get Gilly and Heartsbane and go to the citadel.
So it is implied that Sam's father banished/disowned Sam, when he found out that his son is with a wildling.
His father did banish him, no doubt and I know that, but such thing should be nullified when the father and remaining heirs are dead. At least that's common sense for me. No?
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
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Randyll had already pretty much banished Sam anyway by forcing him off to the Wall so that Dickon could inherit.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
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It is probably because of that scene with his father; when Sam was at home just before going to the citadel.
They were having a family dinner, and when Sam's father found out about Gilly being a wildling, the women left the table, and when they were alone, Randyll told Sam that Gilly and little Sam are welcome to stay there, Gilly will have to serve as a servant and he will raise his grandson, but Sam will no longer be welcome in Horn Hill and has to leave by first light. Sam then proceed to get Gilly and Heartsbane and go to the citadel.
So it is implied that Sam's father banished/disowned Sam, when he found out that his son is with a wildling.
His father did banish him, no doubt and I know that, but such thing should be nullified when the father and remaining heirs are dead. At least that's common sense for me. No?
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
1
Randyll had already pretty much banished Sam anyway by forcing him off to the Wall so that Dickon could inherit.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
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It is probably because of that scene with his father; when Sam was at home just before going to the citadel.
They were having a family dinner, and when Sam's father found out about Gilly being a wildling, the women left the table, and when they were alone, Randyll told Sam that Gilly and little Sam are welcome to stay there, Gilly will have to serve as a servant and he will raise his grandson, but Sam will no longer be welcome in Horn Hill and has to leave by first light. Sam then proceed to get Gilly and Heartsbane and go to the citadel.
So it is implied that Sam's father banished/disowned Sam, when he found out that his son is with a wildling.
It is probably because of that scene with his father; when Sam was at home just before going to the citadel.
They were having a family dinner, and when Sam's father found out about Gilly being a wildling, the women left the table, and when they were alone, Randyll told Sam that Gilly and little Sam are welcome to stay there, Gilly will have to serve as a servant and he will raise his grandson, but Sam will no longer be welcome in Horn Hill and has to leave by first light. Sam then proceed to get Gilly and Heartsbane and go to the citadel.
So it is implied that Sam's father banished/disowned Sam, when he found out that his son is with a wildling.
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His father did banish him, no doubt and I know that, but such thing should be nullified when the father and remaining heirs are dead. At least that's common sense for me. No?
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
1
Randyll had already pretty much banished Sam anyway by forcing him off to the Wall so that Dickon could inherit.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
add a comment |
His father did banish him, no doubt and I know that, but such thing should be nullified when the father and remaining heirs are dead. At least that's common sense for me. No?
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
1
Randyll had already pretty much banished Sam anyway by forcing him off to the Wall so that Dickon could inherit.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
His father did banish him, no doubt and I know that, but such thing should be nullified when the father and remaining heirs are dead. At least that's common sense for me. No?
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
His father did banish him, no doubt and I know that, but such thing should be nullified when the father and remaining heirs are dead. At least that's common sense for me. No?
– Shadow Wizard
1 hour ago
1
1
Randyll had already pretty much banished Sam anyway by forcing him off to the Wall so that Dickon could inherit.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
Randyll had already pretty much banished Sam anyway by forcing him off to the Wall so that Dickon could inherit.
– TheLethalCarrot
1 hour ago
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