Is float placement [H] considered heinous?












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Many MWEs include code like:



usepackage{float}
% etc
begin{figure}[H]% or begin{table}[H]
% figure/table code (e.g. begin{tabular}...)
% etc


which has the effect of placing the float (figure or table or ...) at that exact position in the document no matter how bad it will look with respect to spurious white space. The effect is to turn the float into a non-float but with the option of adding a caption. Often the question is about an undesired position of the float which is what the [H] option often leads to.



Should the [H] option be used at all?










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    You could make it a question if you ask e.g. "What are the alternatives to [H]?", and then you could add your own answer. There are several examples of such questions with self-answers.

    – marmot
    yesterday






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    In my opinion, if something has to be “right there”, then it doesn't need a caption.

    – egreg
    yesterday






  • 3





    @egreg: I disagree. For writing lengthy books or science articles it may be appropiate to have floating figures, but outside of the ivory tower of academia, in 'lower class' teaching, where short work sheets are much more useful and you can not let images etc. float away. They must stay exactly at their position and they do need a caption!

    – Christian Hupfer
    yesterday






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    @ChristianHupfer And I would add that a "right here" table could be referenced later in the document, hence the caption is needed!

    – CarLaTeX
    21 hours ago
















4















Many MWEs include code like:



usepackage{float}
% etc
begin{figure}[H]% or begin{table}[H]
% figure/table code (e.g. begin{tabular}...)
% etc


which has the effect of placing the float (figure or table or ...) at that exact position in the document no matter how bad it will look with respect to spurious white space. The effect is to turn the float into a non-float but with the option of adding a caption. Often the question is about an undesired position of the float which is what the [H] option often leads to.



Should the [H] option be used at all?










share|improve this question




















  • 4





    Sorry, but TeX-StackExchange is a Q&A site. As it stands, there is no question here, which means this will likely be closed.

    – Joseph Wright
    yesterday






  • 5





    You could make it a question if you ask e.g. "What are the alternatives to [H]?", and then you could add your own answer. There are several examples of such questions with self-answers.

    – marmot
    yesterday






  • 5





    In my opinion, if something has to be “right there”, then it doesn't need a caption.

    – egreg
    yesterday






  • 3





    @egreg: I disagree. For writing lengthy books or science articles it may be appropiate to have floating figures, but outside of the ivory tower of academia, in 'lower class' teaching, where short work sheets are much more useful and you can not let images etc. float away. They must stay exactly at their position and they do need a caption!

    – Christian Hupfer
    yesterday






  • 1





    @ChristianHupfer And I would add that a "right here" table could be referenced later in the document, hence the caption is needed!

    – CarLaTeX
    21 hours ago














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Many MWEs include code like:



usepackage{float}
% etc
begin{figure}[H]% or begin{table}[H]
% figure/table code (e.g. begin{tabular}...)
% etc


which has the effect of placing the float (figure or table or ...) at that exact position in the document no matter how bad it will look with respect to spurious white space. The effect is to turn the float into a non-float but with the option of adding a caption. Often the question is about an undesired position of the float which is what the [H] option often leads to.



Should the [H] option be used at all?










share|improve this question
















Many MWEs include code like:



usepackage{float}
% etc
begin{figure}[H]% or begin{table}[H]
% figure/table code (e.g. begin{tabular}...)
% etc


which has the effect of placing the float (figure or table or ...) at that exact position in the document no matter how bad it will look with respect to spurious white space. The effect is to turn the float into a non-float but with the option of adding a caption. Often the question is about an undesired position of the float which is what the [H] option often leads to.



Should the [H] option be used at all?







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    Sorry, but TeX-StackExchange is a Q&A site. As it stands, there is no question here, which means this will likely be closed.

    – Joseph Wright
    yesterday






  • 5





    You could make it a question if you ask e.g. "What are the alternatives to [H]?", and then you could add your own answer. There are several examples of such questions with self-answers.

    – marmot
    yesterday






  • 5





    In my opinion, if something has to be “right there”, then it doesn't need a caption.

    – egreg
    yesterday






  • 3





    @egreg: I disagree. For writing lengthy books or science articles it may be appropiate to have floating figures, but outside of the ivory tower of academia, in 'lower class' teaching, where short work sheets are much more useful and you can not let images etc. float away. They must stay exactly at their position and they do need a caption!

    – Christian Hupfer
    yesterday






  • 1





    @ChristianHupfer And I would add that a "right here" table could be referenced later in the document, hence the caption is needed!

    – CarLaTeX
    21 hours ago














  • 4





    Sorry, but TeX-StackExchange is a Q&A site. As it stands, there is no question here, which means this will likely be closed.

    – Joseph Wright
    yesterday






  • 5





    You could make it a question if you ask e.g. "What are the alternatives to [H]?", and then you could add your own answer. There are several examples of such questions with self-answers.

    – marmot
    yesterday






  • 5





    In my opinion, if something has to be “right there”, then it doesn't need a caption.

    – egreg
    yesterday






  • 3





    @egreg: I disagree. For writing lengthy books or science articles it may be appropiate to have floating figures, but outside of the ivory tower of academia, in 'lower class' teaching, where short work sheets are much more useful and you can not let images etc. float away. They must stay exactly at their position and they do need a caption!

    – Christian Hupfer
    yesterday






  • 1





    @ChristianHupfer And I would add that a "right here" table could be referenced later in the document, hence the caption is needed!

    – CarLaTeX
    21 hours ago








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4





Sorry, but TeX-StackExchange is a Q&A site. As it stands, there is no question here, which means this will likely be closed.

– Joseph Wright
yesterday





Sorry, but TeX-StackExchange is a Q&A site. As it stands, there is no question here, which means this will likely be closed.

– Joseph Wright
yesterday




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5





You could make it a question if you ask e.g. "What are the alternatives to [H]?", and then you could add your own answer. There are several examples of such questions with self-answers.

– marmot
yesterday





You could make it a question if you ask e.g. "What are the alternatives to [H]?", and then you could add your own answer. There are several examples of such questions with self-answers.

– marmot
yesterday




5




5





In my opinion, if something has to be “right there”, then it doesn't need a caption.

– egreg
yesterday





In my opinion, if something has to be “right there”, then it doesn't need a caption.

– egreg
yesterday




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3





@egreg: I disagree. For writing lengthy books or science articles it may be appropiate to have floating figures, but outside of the ivory tower of academia, in 'lower class' teaching, where short work sheets are much more useful and you can not let images etc. float away. They must stay exactly at their position and they do need a caption!

– Christian Hupfer
yesterday





@egreg: I disagree. For writing lengthy books or science articles it may be appropiate to have floating figures, but outside of the ivory tower of academia, in 'lower class' teaching, where short work sheets are much more useful and you can not let images etc. float away. They must stay exactly at their position and they do need a caption!

– Christian Hupfer
yesterday




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@ChristianHupfer And I would add that a "right here" table could be referenced later in the document, hence the caption is needed!

– CarLaTeX
21 hours ago





@ChristianHupfer And I would add that a "right here" table could be referenced later in the document, hence the caption is needed!

– CarLaTeX
21 hours ago










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[H] is often (perhaps usually) misused but it isn't heinous, and the person who originally came up with the syntax is of course extremely honourable.



As egreg commented below the (non)-question, if an image or table is a non-float it shouldn't need a caption so the markup can be simply tabular or includegraphics with no surrounding float container so no need for [H]



However there is a use case where H can be useful. It is not really [H] for Here it is [H] for Humans are better at choosing float positions. If you are prepared to take full control, use [H] on all your floats and float them by hand by moving the environment in the source, and if necessary re-writing other parts of the page to help make things fit, then for some documents you can surely get better results. Of course there is a very high maintenance cost to this as any edit invalidates all the positioning and you have to check all the page breaks again, but if you have just spent ten years writing a book, spending a week at the end hand tuning float positions isn't necessarily the wrong thing to do.






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  • It is opinable that a non-floating object doesn't need a caption, see Christian's and my comments to the OP.

    – CarLaTeX
    8 hours ago











  • @CarLaTeX yes also of course it depends what you mean by non-float if it is typeset away from its point of reference then it needs a caption whether it moved by latex moving it or by the author putting it in that place. If it is only referenced immediately adjacent to the figure then the use of a caption is more questionable but still not necessarily wrong.

    – David Carlisle
    8 hours ago



















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The [H] float option turns the float (figure, table, etc.) effectively into a non-float (although it may have a regular caption) making it appear in the final document where it was put in the LaTeX source. This can then result in much extraneous white space (what happens if the [H] float requires 3 inches vertical space but there is only 2 inches available on the page?).



If you really want a float to be a non-float then don't call it as a float e.g.,



%%% begin{table}% don't use this!
begin{tabular}
% tabular code


If you need a caption then you can use the caption package. For example



usepackage{caption}
% etc
begin{center} % if you want the tabular centered
begin{tabular}
% etc
captionof{table}[LoT entry]{Nonfloating table caption}
label{tab:X}
end{tabular}
end{center}
% etc


LaTeX tries very hard to position floats in a pleasing way via the optional float parameters [htbp]. If you think that you can do better then good luck to you.



A comprehensive discussion about floats and what you can do with them is in the 43 page Chapter 6 of Frank Mittelbach and Michael Goossens The LaTeX Companion, Second Edition, Addison Wesley, 2004 (I understand that a Third Edition may be in the offing at some future point). The chapter includes details of how you can adjust the allowable spaces for top (t), bottom (b) and here (h) floats.



The memoir manual (>texdoc memoir) has a Chapter Floats and captions that contains similar information. The Not so Short Introduction to LaTeX2e (> texdoc lshort) also has useful information on the topic.






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[H] is often (perhaps usually) misused but it isn't heinous, and the person who originally came up with the syntax is of course extremely honourable.



As egreg commented below the (non)-question, if an image or table is a non-float it shouldn't need a caption so the markup can be simply tabular or includegraphics with no surrounding float container so no need for [H]



However there is a use case where H can be useful. It is not really [H] for Here it is [H] for Humans are better at choosing float positions. If you are prepared to take full control, use [H] on all your floats and float them by hand by moving the environment in the source, and if necessary re-writing other parts of the page to help make things fit, then for some documents you can surely get better results. Of course there is a very high maintenance cost to this as any edit invalidates all the positioning and you have to check all the page breaks again, but if you have just spent ten years writing a book, spending a week at the end hand tuning float positions isn't necessarily the wrong thing to do.






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  • It is opinable that a non-floating object doesn't need a caption, see Christian's and my comments to the OP.

    – CarLaTeX
    8 hours ago











  • @CarLaTeX yes also of course it depends what you mean by non-float if it is typeset away from its point of reference then it needs a caption whether it moved by latex moving it or by the author putting it in that place. If it is only referenced immediately adjacent to the figure then the use of a caption is more questionable but still not necessarily wrong.

    – David Carlisle
    8 hours ago
















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[H] is often (perhaps usually) misused but it isn't heinous, and the person who originally came up with the syntax is of course extremely honourable.



As egreg commented below the (non)-question, if an image or table is a non-float it shouldn't need a caption so the markup can be simply tabular or includegraphics with no surrounding float container so no need for [H]



However there is a use case where H can be useful. It is not really [H] for Here it is [H] for Humans are better at choosing float positions. If you are prepared to take full control, use [H] on all your floats and float them by hand by moving the environment in the source, and if necessary re-writing other parts of the page to help make things fit, then for some documents you can surely get better results. Of course there is a very high maintenance cost to this as any edit invalidates all the positioning and you have to check all the page breaks again, but if you have just spent ten years writing a book, spending a week at the end hand tuning float positions isn't necessarily the wrong thing to do.






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  • It is opinable that a non-floating object doesn't need a caption, see Christian's and my comments to the OP.

    – CarLaTeX
    8 hours ago











  • @CarLaTeX yes also of course it depends what you mean by non-float if it is typeset away from its point of reference then it needs a caption whether it moved by latex moving it or by the author putting it in that place. If it is only referenced immediately adjacent to the figure then the use of a caption is more questionable but still not necessarily wrong.

    – David Carlisle
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[H] is often (perhaps usually) misused but it isn't heinous, and the person who originally came up with the syntax is of course extremely honourable.



As egreg commented below the (non)-question, if an image or table is a non-float it shouldn't need a caption so the markup can be simply tabular or includegraphics with no surrounding float container so no need for [H]



However there is a use case where H can be useful. It is not really [H] for Here it is [H] for Humans are better at choosing float positions. If you are prepared to take full control, use [H] on all your floats and float them by hand by moving the environment in the source, and if necessary re-writing other parts of the page to help make things fit, then for some documents you can surely get better results. Of course there is a very high maintenance cost to this as any edit invalidates all the positioning and you have to check all the page breaks again, but if you have just spent ten years writing a book, spending a week at the end hand tuning float positions isn't necessarily the wrong thing to do.






share|improve this answer















[H] is often (perhaps usually) misused but it isn't heinous, and the person who originally came up with the syntax is of course extremely honourable.



As egreg commented below the (non)-question, if an image or table is a non-float it shouldn't need a caption so the markup can be simply tabular or includegraphics with no surrounding float container so no need for [H]



However there is a use case where H can be useful. It is not really [H] for Here it is [H] for Humans are better at choosing float positions. If you are prepared to take full control, use [H] on all your floats and float them by hand by moving the environment in the source, and if necessary re-writing other parts of the page to help make things fit, then for some documents you can surely get better results. Of course there is a very high maintenance cost to this as any edit invalidates all the positioning and you have to check all the page breaks again, but if you have just spent ten years writing a book, spending a week at the end hand tuning float positions isn't necessarily the wrong thing to do.







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  • It is opinable that a non-floating object doesn't need a caption, see Christian's and my comments to the OP.

    – CarLaTeX
    8 hours ago











  • @CarLaTeX yes also of course it depends what you mean by non-float if it is typeset away from its point of reference then it needs a caption whether it moved by latex moving it or by the author putting it in that place. If it is only referenced immediately adjacent to the figure then the use of a caption is more questionable but still not necessarily wrong.

    – David Carlisle
    8 hours ago



















  • It is opinable that a non-floating object doesn't need a caption, see Christian's and my comments to the OP.

    – CarLaTeX
    8 hours ago











  • @CarLaTeX yes also of course it depends what you mean by non-float if it is typeset away from its point of reference then it needs a caption whether it moved by latex moving it or by the author putting it in that place. If it is only referenced immediately adjacent to the figure then the use of a caption is more questionable but still not necessarily wrong.

    – David Carlisle
    8 hours ago

















It is opinable that a non-floating object doesn't need a caption, see Christian's and my comments to the OP.

– CarLaTeX
8 hours ago





It is opinable that a non-floating object doesn't need a caption, see Christian's and my comments to the OP.

– CarLaTeX
8 hours ago













@CarLaTeX yes also of course it depends what you mean by non-float if it is typeset away from its point of reference then it needs a caption whether it moved by latex moving it or by the author putting it in that place. If it is only referenced immediately adjacent to the figure then the use of a caption is more questionable but still not necessarily wrong.

– David Carlisle
8 hours ago





@CarLaTeX yes also of course it depends what you mean by non-float if it is typeset away from its point of reference then it needs a caption whether it moved by latex moving it or by the author putting it in that place. If it is only referenced immediately adjacent to the figure then the use of a caption is more questionable but still not necessarily wrong.

– David Carlisle
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The [H] float option turns the float (figure, table, etc.) effectively into a non-float (although it may have a regular caption) making it appear in the final document where it was put in the LaTeX source. This can then result in much extraneous white space (what happens if the [H] float requires 3 inches vertical space but there is only 2 inches available on the page?).



If you really want a float to be a non-float then don't call it as a float e.g.,



%%% begin{table}% don't use this!
begin{tabular}
% tabular code


If you need a caption then you can use the caption package. For example



usepackage{caption}
% etc
begin{center} % if you want the tabular centered
begin{tabular}
% etc
captionof{table}[LoT entry]{Nonfloating table caption}
label{tab:X}
end{tabular}
end{center}
% etc


LaTeX tries very hard to position floats in a pleasing way via the optional float parameters [htbp]. If you think that you can do better then good luck to you.



A comprehensive discussion about floats and what you can do with them is in the 43 page Chapter 6 of Frank Mittelbach and Michael Goossens The LaTeX Companion, Second Edition, Addison Wesley, 2004 (I understand that a Third Edition may be in the offing at some future point). The chapter includes details of how you can adjust the allowable spaces for top (t), bottom (b) and here (h) floats.



The memoir manual (>texdoc memoir) has a Chapter Floats and captions that contains similar information. The Not so Short Introduction to LaTeX2e (> texdoc lshort) also has useful information on the topic.






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  • perhaps worth mentioning tex.stackexchange.com/questions/39017/… in this context...

    – jfbu
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The [H] float option turns the float (figure, table, etc.) effectively into a non-float (although it may have a regular caption) making it appear in the final document where it was put in the LaTeX source. This can then result in much extraneous white space (what happens if the [H] float requires 3 inches vertical space but there is only 2 inches available on the page?).



If you really want a float to be a non-float then don't call it as a float e.g.,



%%% begin{table}% don't use this!
begin{tabular}
% tabular code


If you need a caption then you can use the caption package. For example



usepackage{caption}
% etc
begin{center} % if you want the tabular centered
begin{tabular}
% etc
captionof{table}[LoT entry]{Nonfloating table caption}
label{tab:X}
end{tabular}
end{center}
% etc


LaTeX tries very hard to position floats in a pleasing way via the optional float parameters [htbp]. If you think that you can do better then good luck to you.



A comprehensive discussion about floats and what you can do with them is in the 43 page Chapter 6 of Frank Mittelbach and Michael Goossens The LaTeX Companion, Second Edition, Addison Wesley, 2004 (I understand that a Third Edition may be in the offing at some future point). The chapter includes details of how you can adjust the allowable spaces for top (t), bottom (b) and here (h) floats.



The memoir manual (>texdoc memoir) has a Chapter Floats and captions that contains similar information. The Not so Short Introduction to LaTeX2e (> texdoc lshort) also has useful information on the topic.






share|improve this answer
























  • perhaps worth mentioning tex.stackexchange.com/questions/39017/… in this context...

    – jfbu
    7 hours ago














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The [H] float option turns the float (figure, table, etc.) effectively into a non-float (although it may have a regular caption) making it appear in the final document where it was put in the LaTeX source. This can then result in much extraneous white space (what happens if the [H] float requires 3 inches vertical space but there is only 2 inches available on the page?).



If you really want a float to be a non-float then don't call it as a float e.g.,



%%% begin{table}% don't use this!
begin{tabular}
% tabular code


If you need a caption then you can use the caption package. For example



usepackage{caption}
% etc
begin{center} % if you want the tabular centered
begin{tabular}
% etc
captionof{table}[LoT entry]{Nonfloating table caption}
label{tab:X}
end{tabular}
end{center}
% etc


LaTeX tries very hard to position floats in a pleasing way via the optional float parameters [htbp]. If you think that you can do better then good luck to you.



A comprehensive discussion about floats and what you can do with them is in the 43 page Chapter 6 of Frank Mittelbach and Michael Goossens The LaTeX Companion, Second Edition, Addison Wesley, 2004 (I understand that a Third Edition may be in the offing at some future point). The chapter includes details of how you can adjust the allowable spaces for top (t), bottom (b) and here (h) floats.



The memoir manual (>texdoc memoir) has a Chapter Floats and captions that contains similar information. The Not so Short Introduction to LaTeX2e (> texdoc lshort) also has useful information on the topic.






share|improve this answer













The [H] float option turns the float (figure, table, etc.) effectively into a non-float (although it may have a regular caption) making it appear in the final document where it was put in the LaTeX source. This can then result in much extraneous white space (what happens if the [H] float requires 3 inches vertical space but there is only 2 inches available on the page?).



If you really want a float to be a non-float then don't call it as a float e.g.,



%%% begin{table}% don't use this!
begin{tabular}
% tabular code


If you need a caption then you can use the caption package. For example



usepackage{caption}
% etc
begin{center} % if you want the tabular centered
begin{tabular}
% etc
captionof{table}[LoT entry]{Nonfloating table caption}
label{tab:X}
end{tabular}
end{center}
% etc


LaTeX tries very hard to position floats in a pleasing way via the optional float parameters [htbp]. If you think that you can do better then good luck to you.



A comprehensive discussion about floats and what you can do with them is in the 43 page Chapter 6 of Frank Mittelbach and Michael Goossens The LaTeX Companion, Second Edition, Addison Wesley, 2004 (I understand that a Third Edition may be in the offing at some future point). The chapter includes details of how you can adjust the allowable spaces for top (t), bottom (b) and here (h) floats.



The memoir manual (>texdoc memoir) has a Chapter Floats and captions that contains similar information. The Not so Short Introduction to LaTeX2e (> texdoc lshort) also has useful information on the topic.







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  • perhaps worth mentioning tex.stackexchange.com/questions/39017/… in this context...

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  • perhaps worth mentioning tex.stackexchange.com/questions/39017/… in this context...

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    7 hours ago

















perhaps worth mentioning tex.stackexchange.com/questions/39017/… in this context...

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7 hours ago





perhaps worth mentioning tex.stackexchange.com/questions/39017/… in this context...

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