How many ways can the cube be arranged such that the red face is adjacent to the blue face?
Each face of a cube can be painted in one of six colors and the color of each face must be different. Suppose you pick a coloring uniformly at random from the set of allowed coloring. How many ways can the cube be arranged such that the red face is adjacent to the blue face, assuming red and blue are among the six allowed colors.(Keeping rotation in mind so A=red B=blue is the same as A=blue, B=red, and counts as one case)
I am getting confused, with 4, 10 and 24 as possible answers.
4: Since the cube can be rotated, assume B is fixed to the front face of the cube. Hence, there are 4 possible ways R can be oriented around B. Since there are rotations, it is redundant to multiply by the 6 faces on the cube. Hence 4 ways.
10: If I map out the cube by drawing 4 horizontal boxes and 1 box below and 1 box above, and assign B to each face, I count the number of ways R can be next to B for each box, and arrive at 10.
24: Similar concept to 4, just multiplied by 6.
I am really confusing myself here and it would really help if someone could clarify this for me as I am really bad at spatial visualisation.
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Each face of a cube can be painted in one of six colors and the color of each face must be different. Suppose you pick a coloring uniformly at random from the set of allowed coloring. How many ways can the cube be arranged such that the red face is adjacent to the blue face, assuming red and blue are among the six allowed colors.(Keeping rotation in mind so A=red B=blue is the same as A=blue, B=red, and counts as one case)
I am getting confused, with 4, 10 and 24 as possible answers.
4: Since the cube can be rotated, assume B is fixed to the front face of the cube. Hence, there are 4 possible ways R can be oriented around B. Since there are rotations, it is redundant to multiply by the 6 faces on the cube. Hence 4 ways.
10: If I map out the cube by drawing 4 horizontal boxes and 1 box below and 1 box above, and assign B to each face, I count the number of ways R can be next to B for each box, and arrive at 10.
24: Similar concept to 4, just multiplied by 6.
I am really confusing myself here and it would really help if someone could clarify this for me as I am really bad at spatial visualisation.
combinatorics discrete-mathematics permutations
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The way the question is posed is very confusing; what does "sampling with uniform probability from a space of possibilities" matter to the question, which is not "what is the probability that..." but rather "how many ways are there to?" The front half of the question appears to have nothing whatsoever to do with the back half.
– Eric Lippert
Dec 10 '18 at 21:30
You have a hypothesis that 4 is a possible answer. That hypothesis can be falsified if you can find five such colourings. If you're bad at spacial visualization, go get some sugar cubes and six different colours of sharpies and start colouring; you'll quickly know if there are more than four.
– Eric Lippert
Dec 10 '18 at 21:31
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Each face of a cube can be painted in one of six colors and the color of each face must be different. Suppose you pick a coloring uniformly at random from the set of allowed coloring. How many ways can the cube be arranged such that the red face is adjacent to the blue face, assuming red and blue are among the six allowed colors.(Keeping rotation in mind so A=red B=blue is the same as A=blue, B=red, and counts as one case)
I am getting confused, with 4, 10 and 24 as possible answers.
4: Since the cube can be rotated, assume B is fixed to the front face of the cube. Hence, there are 4 possible ways R can be oriented around B. Since there are rotations, it is redundant to multiply by the 6 faces on the cube. Hence 4 ways.
10: If I map out the cube by drawing 4 horizontal boxes and 1 box below and 1 box above, and assign B to each face, I count the number of ways R can be next to B for each box, and arrive at 10.
24: Similar concept to 4, just multiplied by 6.
I am really confusing myself here and it would really help if someone could clarify this for me as I am really bad at spatial visualisation.
combinatorics discrete-mathematics permutations
Each face of a cube can be painted in one of six colors and the color of each face must be different. Suppose you pick a coloring uniformly at random from the set of allowed coloring. How many ways can the cube be arranged such that the red face is adjacent to the blue face, assuming red and blue are among the six allowed colors.(Keeping rotation in mind so A=red B=blue is the same as A=blue, B=red, and counts as one case)
I am getting confused, with 4, 10 and 24 as possible answers.
4: Since the cube can be rotated, assume B is fixed to the front face of the cube. Hence, there are 4 possible ways R can be oriented around B. Since there are rotations, it is redundant to multiply by the 6 faces on the cube. Hence 4 ways.
10: If I map out the cube by drawing 4 horizontal boxes and 1 box below and 1 box above, and assign B to each face, I count the number of ways R can be next to B for each box, and arrive at 10.
24: Similar concept to 4, just multiplied by 6.
I am really confusing myself here and it would really help if someone could clarify this for me as I am really bad at spatial visualisation.
combinatorics discrete-mathematics permutations
combinatorics discrete-mathematics permutations
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The way the question is posed is very confusing; what does "sampling with uniform probability from a space of possibilities" matter to the question, which is not "what is the probability that..." but rather "how many ways are there to?" The front half of the question appears to have nothing whatsoever to do with the back half.
– Eric Lippert
Dec 10 '18 at 21:30
You have a hypothesis that 4 is a possible answer. That hypothesis can be falsified if you can find five such colourings. If you're bad at spacial visualization, go get some sugar cubes and six different colours of sharpies and start colouring; you'll quickly know if there are more than four.
– Eric Lippert
Dec 10 '18 at 21:31
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The way the question is posed is very confusing; what does "sampling with uniform probability from a space of possibilities" matter to the question, which is not "what is the probability that..." but rather "how many ways are there to?" The front half of the question appears to have nothing whatsoever to do with the back half.
– Eric Lippert
Dec 10 '18 at 21:30
You have a hypothesis that 4 is a possible answer. That hypothesis can be falsified if you can find five such colourings. If you're bad at spacial visualization, go get some sugar cubes and six different colours of sharpies and start colouring; you'll quickly know if there are more than four.
– Eric Lippert
Dec 10 '18 at 21:31
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The way the question is posed is very confusing; what does "sampling with uniform probability from a space of possibilities" matter to the question, which is not "what is the probability that..." but rather "how many ways are there to?" The front half of the question appears to have nothing whatsoever to do with the back half.
– Eric Lippert
Dec 10 '18 at 21:30
The way the question is posed is very confusing; what does "sampling with uniform probability from a space of possibilities" matter to the question, which is not "what is the probability that..." but rather "how many ways are there to?" The front half of the question appears to have nothing whatsoever to do with the back half.
– Eric Lippert
Dec 10 '18 at 21:30
You have a hypothesis that 4 is a possible answer. That hypothesis can be falsified if you can find five such colourings. If you're bad at spacial visualization, go get some sugar cubes and six different colours of sharpies and start colouring; you'll quickly know if there are more than four.
– Eric Lippert
Dec 10 '18 at 21:31
You have a hypothesis that 4 is a possible answer. That hypothesis can be falsified if you can find five such colourings. If you're bad at spacial visualization, go get some sugar cubes and six different colours of sharpies and start colouring; you'll quickly know if there are more than four.
– Eric Lippert
Dec 10 '18 at 21:31
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If the red and the blue are next to each other, then it's possible to orient the cube so that the red is on top and the blue is on the front face. From this, all $4! = 24$ arrangements of the remaining four colors give a unique coloring of the cube (down to rotation of the cube).
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You can choose $4$ colors opposite the red and then $3$ colors opposite the blue. There are two colors left, which can be placed in $2$ ways onto the remaining two opposite fields. It follows that there are $4cdot3cdot 2=24$ different cubes that can be formed, given the two fields red and blue neighboring each other.
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4: Since the cube can be rotated, assume B is fixed to the front face of the cube. Hence, there are 4 possible ways R can be oriented around B. Since there are rotations, it is redundant to multiply by the 6 faces on the cube. Hence 4 ways.
1) That says nothing about the other colors; just that red is either above, below, to the left, or to the right, of the blue. 2) Because those are rotations THEY are redundant. You can count this as $1$ way. But no you have to figure out the different ways to put the remaining four colors.
10: If I map out the cube by drawing 4 horizontal boxes and 1 box below and 1 box above, and assign B to each face, I count the number of ways R can be next to B for each box, and arrive at 10.
Huh????????
24: Similar concept to 4, just multiplied by 6.
Coincidentally that is the correct answer but for entirely the wrong meaning.
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Rotation doesn't matter. So you can always place the Blue face toward you. There are four faces adjacent to the Blue and one opposite. If the face opposite is Red that is one way to not do it. All other ways to paint the cube have the red face adjacent.
BUT because rotation doesn't matter those four faces are considered to be the same. So whichever face of those is red we can rotate it to the top.
But now we have rotated the cube so that the red face is on top. That we can not rotate it in any way and keep those two faces the in the same orientation.
There are four faces that need to be painted. Call them A,B,C,D. there are four choices of color for $A$. Once $A$ is chosen there are $3$ left for $B$ and so one. So there are $4*3*2*1 = 24$ to do this.
...
It might be worth figuring how many ways in total there are to paint the cube.
Either the Red is adjacent to the blue (and there are $24$ ways to do that) or it is opposite the blue. If it opposite then the four remaining sides are all adjecent to both the blue and the red and the cube may be rotated so that any of them may be on top.
One of those four sides must be color 3. Paint one of them color 3 and rotate so color 3 is on top, Red is back, and Blue is facing you. The cube can not be rotated any further. There are $3$ faces left. Call them $A,B,C$. There are $3$ choices of color for face A, and after that $2$ for face $B$ and so on. So there are $3*2*1 = 6$ ways to have the Red face Opposite the Blue face.
So there are $24+6 = 30$ ways to pain the cube of which $frac 45$ of them have the Red adjacent to Blue.
"of which 4/5 of them have the Red adjacent to Blue." Which matches the answer if we were to just say that once we've picked a blue face, there are five remaining faces, of which four are adjacent.
– Acccumulation
Dec 10 '18 at 19:50
"Huh????????" - that idea doesn't make any sense at all. For example if one end of the line of fours square is red and the other end is blue, the red and blue faces will be adjacent when you re-assemble the cube.
– alephzero
Dec 10 '18 at 19:53
@Acccumulation precisely. I wanted to emphasize although there is only "one way" to chose an adjacent red (we rotate it up to top) there are 24 options for the remaining, whereas if we chose the "one way" to chose the red opposite there are only 6 for the remaining.... It might (or might) not be easier to say not considering rotations there are $6!=720$ ways to do the cube but as there are $6*4$ possible rotations there each one is equivalent to $8$ of them and there are $frac{720}{24}=30$ distinct up to rotation ways. But that might just be too confusing.
– fleablood
Dec 10 '18 at 20:02
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The number of ways to reach a result depends on how many ways you are allowed to take,
that is you have to define the result (success) in a space of events.
In this case the wording suggests that you are considering the space of all the colored cubes
which are not equivalent upon rotation.
As explained in this related post such a space consists of $30$ different configurations.
In such space, you can always orientate the cube to have ,for instance, the R face in front of you.
Then there is only one way to get B non-adjacent to R: to be on the back face.
For the other colors, since you can rotate the cube around the RB axis, assume to fix the color of the upper face (e.g. yellow).
The choices you are left is how to place the other three colors, i.e. how to permute them, i.e. $6$ ways.
In fact, if we waive the adjacency requirement, we have $5$ ways to fix the color of the back face, since
a cube R front - B back cannot be rotated into a R front - not B back. For the lateral faces we are still given $6$ choices as above,
and so $30$ in total.
Thus $30-6=24$ are the ways to put R and B adjacent, which is your third result.
If you cut the cube open to get a configuration of squares as you say, then if you properly account for adjacencies and rotations
you shall still get $24$ out of $30$. If you get $10$ (don't know exactly under which hypotesis) something is wrong.
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If the red and the blue are next to each other, then it's possible to orient the cube so that the red is on top and the blue is on the front face. From this, all $4! = 24$ arrangements of the remaining four colors give a unique coloring of the cube (down to rotation of the cube).
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If the red and the blue are next to each other, then it's possible to orient the cube so that the red is on top and the blue is on the front face. From this, all $4! = 24$ arrangements of the remaining four colors give a unique coloring of the cube (down to rotation of the cube).
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If the red and the blue are next to each other, then it's possible to orient the cube so that the red is on top and the blue is on the front face. From this, all $4! = 24$ arrangements of the remaining four colors give a unique coloring of the cube (down to rotation of the cube).
If the red and the blue are next to each other, then it's possible to orient the cube so that the red is on top and the blue is on the front face. From this, all $4! = 24$ arrangements of the remaining four colors give a unique coloring of the cube (down to rotation of the cube).
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You can choose $4$ colors opposite the red and then $3$ colors opposite the blue. There are two colors left, which can be placed in $2$ ways onto the remaining two opposite fields. It follows that there are $4cdot3cdot 2=24$ different cubes that can be formed, given the two fields red and blue neighboring each other.
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You can choose $4$ colors opposite the red and then $3$ colors opposite the blue. There are two colors left, which can be placed in $2$ ways onto the remaining two opposite fields. It follows that there are $4cdot3cdot 2=24$ different cubes that can be formed, given the two fields red and blue neighboring each other.
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You can choose $4$ colors opposite the red and then $3$ colors opposite the blue. There are two colors left, which can be placed in $2$ ways onto the remaining two opposite fields. It follows that there are $4cdot3cdot 2=24$ different cubes that can be formed, given the two fields red and blue neighboring each other.
You can choose $4$ colors opposite the red and then $3$ colors opposite the blue. There are two colors left, which can be placed in $2$ ways onto the remaining two opposite fields. It follows that there are $4cdot3cdot 2=24$ different cubes that can be formed, given the two fields red and blue neighboring each other.
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4: Since the cube can be rotated, assume B is fixed to the front face of the cube. Hence, there are 4 possible ways R can be oriented around B. Since there are rotations, it is redundant to multiply by the 6 faces on the cube. Hence 4 ways.
1) That says nothing about the other colors; just that red is either above, below, to the left, or to the right, of the blue. 2) Because those are rotations THEY are redundant. You can count this as $1$ way. But no you have to figure out the different ways to put the remaining four colors.
10: If I map out the cube by drawing 4 horizontal boxes and 1 box below and 1 box above, and assign B to each face, I count the number of ways R can be next to B for each box, and arrive at 10.
Huh????????
24: Similar concept to 4, just multiplied by 6.
Coincidentally that is the correct answer but for entirely the wrong meaning.
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Rotation doesn't matter. So you can always place the Blue face toward you. There are four faces adjacent to the Blue and one opposite. If the face opposite is Red that is one way to not do it. All other ways to paint the cube have the red face adjacent.
BUT because rotation doesn't matter those four faces are considered to be the same. So whichever face of those is red we can rotate it to the top.
But now we have rotated the cube so that the red face is on top. That we can not rotate it in any way and keep those two faces the in the same orientation.
There are four faces that need to be painted. Call them A,B,C,D. there are four choices of color for $A$. Once $A$ is chosen there are $3$ left for $B$ and so one. So there are $4*3*2*1 = 24$ to do this.
...
It might be worth figuring how many ways in total there are to paint the cube.
Either the Red is adjacent to the blue (and there are $24$ ways to do that) or it is opposite the blue. If it opposite then the four remaining sides are all adjecent to both the blue and the red and the cube may be rotated so that any of them may be on top.
One of those four sides must be color 3. Paint one of them color 3 and rotate so color 3 is on top, Red is back, and Blue is facing you. The cube can not be rotated any further. There are $3$ faces left. Call them $A,B,C$. There are $3$ choices of color for face A, and after that $2$ for face $B$ and so on. So there are $3*2*1 = 6$ ways to have the Red face Opposite the Blue face.
So there are $24+6 = 30$ ways to pain the cube of which $frac 45$ of them have the Red adjacent to Blue.
"of which 4/5 of them have the Red adjacent to Blue." Which matches the answer if we were to just say that once we've picked a blue face, there are five remaining faces, of which four are adjacent.
– Acccumulation
Dec 10 '18 at 19:50
"Huh????????" - that idea doesn't make any sense at all. For example if one end of the line of fours square is red and the other end is blue, the red and blue faces will be adjacent when you re-assemble the cube.
– alephzero
Dec 10 '18 at 19:53
@Acccumulation precisely. I wanted to emphasize although there is only "one way" to chose an adjacent red (we rotate it up to top) there are 24 options for the remaining, whereas if we chose the "one way" to chose the red opposite there are only 6 for the remaining.... It might (or might) not be easier to say not considering rotations there are $6!=720$ ways to do the cube but as there are $6*4$ possible rotations there each one is equivalent to $8$ of them and there are $frac{720}{24}=30$ distinct up to rotation ways. But that might just be too confusing.
– fleablood
Dec 10 '18 at 20:02
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4: Since the cube can be rotated, assume B is fixed to the front face of the cube. Hence, there are 4 possible ways R can be oriented around B. Since there are rotations, it is redundant to multiply by the 6 faces on the cube. Hence 4 ways.
1) That says nothing about the other colors; just that red is either above, below, to the left, or to the right, of the blue. 2) Because those are rotations THEY are redundant. You can count this as $1$ way. But no you have to figure out the different ways to put the remaining four colors.
10: If I map out the cube by drawing 4 horizontal boxes and 1 box below and 1 box above, and assign B to each face, I count the number of ways R can be next to B for each box, and arrive at 10.
Huh????????
24: Similar concept to 4, just multiplied by 6.
Coincidentally that is the correct answer but for entirely the wrong meaning.
====
Rotation doesn't matter. So you can always place the Blue face toward you. There are four faces adjacent to the Blue and one opposite. If the face opposite is Red that is one way to not do it. All other ways to paint the cube have the red face adjacent.
BUT because rotation doesn't matter those four faces are considered to be the same. So whichever face of those is red we can rotate it to the top.
But now we have rotated the cube so that the red face is on top. That we can not rotate it in any way and keep those two faces the in the same orientation.
There are four faces that need to be painted. Call them A,B,C,D. there are four choices of color for $A$. Once $A$ is chosen there are $3$ left for $B$ and so one. So there are $4*3*2*1 = 24$ to do this.
...
It might be worth figuring how many ways in total there are to paint the cube.
Either the Red is adjacent to the blue (and there are $24$ ways to do that) or it is opposite the blue. If it opposite then the four remaining sides are all adjecent to both the blue and the red and the cube may be rotated so that any of them may be on top.
One of those four sides must be color 3. Paint one of them color 3 and rotate so color 3 is on top, Red is back, and Blue is facing you. The cube can not be rotated any further. There are $3$ faces left. Call them $A,B,C$. There are $3$ choices of color for face A, and after that $2$ for face $B$ and so on. So there are $3*2*1 = 6$ ways to have the Red face Opposite the Blue face.
So there are $24+6 = 30$ ways to pain the cube of which $frac 45$ of them have the Red adjacent to Blue.
"of which 4/5 of them have the Red adjacent to Blue." Which matches the answer if we were to just say that once we've picked a blue face, there are five remaining faces, of which four are adjacent.
– Acccumulation
Dec 10 '18 at 19:50
"Huh????????" - that idea doesn't make any sense at all. For example if one end of the line of fours square is red and the other end is blue, the red and blue faces will be adjacent when you re-assemble the cube.
– alephzero
Dec 10 '18 at 19:53
@Acccumulation precisely. I wanted to emphasize although there is only "one way" to chose an adjacent red (we rotate it up to top) there are 24 options for the remaining, whereas if we chose the "one way" to chose the red opposite there are only 6 for the remaining.... It might (or might) not be easier to say not considering rotations there are $6!=720$ ways to do the cube but as there are $6*4$ possible rotations there each one is equivalent to $8$ of them and there are $frac{720}{24}=30$ distinct up to rotation ways. But that might just be too confusing.
– fleablood
Dec 10 '18 at 20:02
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4: Since the cube can be rotated, assume B is fixed to the front face of the cube. Hence, there are 4 possible ways R can be oriented around B. Since there are rotations, it is redundant to multiply by the 6 faces on the cube. Hence 4 ways.
1) That says nothing about the other colors; just that red is either above, below, to the left, or to the right, of the blue. 2) Because those are rotations THEY are redundant. You can count this as $1$ way. But no you have to figure out the different ways to put the remaining four colors.
10: If I map out the cube by drawing 4 horizontal boxes and 1 box below and 1 box above, and assign B to each face, I count the number of ways R can be next to B for each box, and arrive at 10.
Huh????????
24: Similar concept to 4, just multiplied by 6.
Coincidentally that is the correct answer but for entirely the wrong meaning.
====
Rotation doesn't matter. So you can always place the Blue face toward you. There are four faces adjacent to the Blue and one opposite. If the face opposite is Red that is one way to not do it. All other ways to paint the cube have the red face adjacent.
BUT because rotation doesn't matter those four faces are considered to be the same. So whichever face of those is red we can rotate it to the top.
But now we have rotated the cube so that the red face is on top. That we can not rotate it in any way and keep those two faces the in the same orientation.
There are four faces that need to be painted. Call them A,B,C,D. there are four choices of color for $A$. Once $A$ is chosen there are $3$ left for $B$ and so one. So there are $4*3*2*1 = 24$ to do this.
...
It might be worth figuring how many ways in total there are to paint the cube.
Either the Red is adjacent to the blue (and there are $24$ ways to do that) or it is opposite the blue. If it opposite then the four remaining sides are all adjecent to both the blue and the red and the cube may be rotated so that any of them may be on top.
One of those four sides must be color 3. Paint one of them color 3 and rotate so color 3 is on top, Red is back, and Blue is facing you. The cube can not be rotated any further. There are $3$ faces left. Call them $A,B,C$. There are $3$ choices of color for face A, and after that $2$ for face $B$ and so on. So there are $3*2*1 = 6$ ways to have the Red face Opposite the Blue face.
So there are $24+6 = 30$ ways to pain the cube of which $frac 45$ of them have the Red adjacent to Blue.
4: Since the cube can be rotated, assume B is fixed to the front face of the cube. Hence, there are 4 possible ways R can be oriented around B. Since there are rotations, it is redundant to multiply by the 6 faces on the cube. Hence 4 ways.
1) That says nothing about the other colors; just that red is either above, below, to the left, or to the right, of the blue. 2) Because those are rotations THEY are redundant. You can count this as $1$ way. But no you have to figure out the different ways to put the remaining four colors.
10: If I map out the cube by drawing 4 horizontal boxes and 1 box below and 1 box above, and assign B to each face, I count the number of ways R can be next to B for each box, and arrive at 10.
Huh????????
24: Similar concept to 4, just multiplied by 6.
Coincidentally that is the correct answer but for entirely the wrong meaning.
====
Rotation doesn't matter. So you can always place the Blue face toward you. There are four faces adjacent to the Blue and one opposite. If the face opposite is Red that is one way to not do it. All other ways to paint the cube have the red face adjacent.
BUT because rotation doesn't matter those four faces are considered to be the same. So whichever face of those is red we can rotate it to the top.
But now we have rotated the cube so that the red face is on top. That we can not rotate it in any way and keep those two faces the in the same orientation.
There are four faces that need to be painted. Call them A,B,C,D. there are four choices of color for $A$. Once $A$ is chosen there are $3$ left for $B$ and so one. So there are $4*3*2*1 = 24$ to do this.
...
It might be worth figuring how many ways in total there are to paint the cube.
Either the Red is adjacent to the blue (and there are $24$ ways to do that) or it is opposite the blue. If it opposite then the four remaining sides are all adjecent to both the blue and the red and the cube may be rotated so that any of them may be on top.
One of those four sides must be color 3. Paint one of them color 3 and rotate so color 3 is on top, Red is back, and Blue is facing you. The cube can not be rotated any further. There are $3$ faces left. Call them $A,B,C$. There are $3$ choices of color for face A, and after that $2$ for face $B$ and so on. So there are $3*2*1 = 6$ ways to have the Red face Opposite the Blue face.
So there are $24+6 = 30$ ways to pain the cube of which $frac 45$ of them have the Red adjacent to Blue.
answered Dec 10 '18 at 17:21
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"of which 4/5 of them have the Red adjacent to Blue." Which matches the answer if we were to just say that once we've picked a blue face, there are five remaining faces, of which four are adjacent.
– Acccumulation
Dec 10 '18 at 19:50
"Huh????????" - that idea doesn't make any sense at all. For example if one end of the line of fours square is red and the other end is blue, the red and blue faces will be adjacent when you re-assemble the cube.
– alephzero
Dec 10 '18 at 19:53
@Acccumulation precisely. I wanted to emphasize although there is only "one way" to chose an adjacent red (we rotate it up to top) there are 24 options for the remaining, whereas if we chose the "one way" to chose the red opposite there are only 6 for the remaining.... It might (or might) not be easier to say not considering rotations there are $6!=720$ ways to do the cube but as there are $6*4$ possible rotations there each one is equivalent to $8$ of them and there are $frac{720}{24}=30$ distinct up to rotation ways. But that might just be too confusing.
– fleablood
Dec 10 '18 at 20:02
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"of which 4/5 of them have the Red adjacent to Blue." Which matches the answer if we were to just say that once we've picked a blue face, there are five remaining faces, of which four are adjacent.
– Acccumulation
Dec 10 '18 at 19:50
"Huh????????" - that idea doesn't make any sense at all. For example if one end of the line of fours square is red and the other end is blue, the red and blue faces will be adjacent when you re-assemble the cube.
– alephzero
Dec 10 '18 at 19:53
@Acccumulation precisely. I wanted to emphasize although there is only "one way" to chose an adjacent red (we rotate it up to top) there are 24 options for the remaining, whereas if we chose the "one way" to chose the red opposite there are only 6 for the remaining.... It might (or might) not be easier to say not considering rotations there are $6!=720$ ways to do the cube but as there are $6*4$ possible rotations there each one is equivalent to $8$ of them and there are $frac{720}{24}=30$ distinct up to rotation ways. But that might just be too confusing.
– fleablood
Dec 10 '18 at 20:02
"of which 4/5 of them have the Red adjacent to Blue." Which matches the answer if we were to just say that once we've picked a blue face, there are five remaining faces, of which four are adjacent.
– Acccumulation
Dec 10 '18 at 19:50
"of which 4/5 of them have the Red adjacent to Blue." Which matches the answer if we were to just say that once we've picked a blue face, there are five remaining faces, of which four are adjacent.
– Acccumulation
Dec 10 '18 at 19:50
"Huh????????" - that idea doesn't make any sense at all. For example if one end of the line of fours square is red and the other end is blue, the red and blue faces will be adjacent when you re-assemble the cube.
– alephzero
Dec 10 '18 at 19:53
"Huh????????" - that idea doesn't make any sense at all. For example if one end of the line of fours square is red and the other end is blue, the red and blue faces will be adjacent when you re-assemble the cube.
– alephzero
Dec 10 '18 at 19:53
@Acccumulation precisely. I wanted to emphasize although there is only "one way" to chose an adjacent red (we rotate it up to top) there are 24 options for the remaining, whereas if we chose the "one way" to chose the red opposite there are only 6 for the remaining.... It might (or might) not be easier to say not considering rotations there are $6!=720$ ways to do the cube but as there are $6*4$ possible rotations there each one is equivalent to $8$ of them and there are $frac{720}{24}=30$ distinct up to rotation ways. But that might just be too confusing.
– fleablood
Dec 10 '18 at 20:02
@Acccumulation precisely. I wanted to emphasize although there is only "one way" to chose an adjacent red (we rotate it up to top) there are 24 options for the remaining, whereas if we chose the "one way" to chose the red opposite there are only 6 for the remaining.... It might (or might) not be easier to say not considering rotations there are $6!=720$ ways to do the cube but as there are $6*4$ possible rotations there each one is equivalent to $8$ of them and there are $frac{720}{24}=30$ distinct up to rotation ways. But that might just be too confusing.
– fleablood
Dec 10 '18 at 20:02
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The number of ways to reach a result depends on how many ways you are allowed to take,
that is you have to define the result (success) in a space of events.
In this case the wording suggests that you are considering the space of all the colored cubes
which are not equivalent upon rotation.
As explained in this related post such a space consists of $30$ different configurations.
In such space, you can always orientate the cube to have ,for instance, the R face in front of you.
Then there is only one way to get B non-adjacent to R: to be on the back face.
For the other colors, since you can rotate the cube around the RB axis, assume to fix the color of the upper face (e.g. yellow).
The choices you are left is how to place the other three colors, i.e. how to permute them, i.e. $6$ ways.
In fact, if we waive the adjacency requirement, we have $5$ ways to fix the color of the back face, since
a cube R front - B back cannot be rotated into a R front - not B back. For the lateral faces we are still given $6$ choices as above,
and so $30$ in total.
Thus $30-6=24$ are the ways to put R and B adjacent, which is your third result.
If you cut the cube open to get a configuration of squares as you say, then if you properly account for adjacencies and rotations
you shall still get $24$ out of $30$. If you get $10$ (don't know exactly under which hypotesis) something is wrong.
add a comment |
The number of ways to reach a result depends on how many ways you are allowed to take,
that is you have to define the result (success) in a space of events.
In this case the wording suggests that you are considering the space of all the colored cubes
which are not equivalent upon rotation.
As explained in this related post such a space consists of $30$ different configurations.
In such space, you can always orientate the cube to have ,for instance, the R face in front of you.
Then there is only one way to get B non-adjacent to R: to be on the back face.
For the other colors, since you can rotate the cube around the RB axis, assume to fix the color of the upper face (e.g. yellow).
The choices you are left is how to place the other three colors, i.e. how to permute them, i.e. $6$ ways.
In fact, if we waive the adjacency requirement, we have $5$ ways to fix the color of the back face, since
a cube R front - B back cannot be rotated into a R front - not B back. For the lateral faces we are still given $6$ choices as above,
and so $30$ in total.
Thus $30-6=24$ are the ways to put R and B adjacent, which is your third result.
If you cut the cube open to get a configuration of squares as you say, then if you properly account for adjacencies and rotations
you shall still get $24$ out of $30$. If you get $10$ (don't know exactly under which hypotesis) something is wrong.
add a comment |
The number of ways to reach a result depends on how many ways you are allowed to take,
that is you have to define the result (success) in a space of events.
In this case the wording suggests that you are considering the space of all the colored cubes
which are not equivalent upon rotation.
As explained in this related post such a space consists of $30$ different configurations.
In such space, you can always orientate the cube to have ,for instance, the R face in front of you.
Then there is only one way to get B non-adjacent to R: to be on the back face.
For the other colors, since you can rotate the cube around the RB axis, assume to fix the color of the upper face (e.g. yellow).
The choices you are left is how to place the other three colors, i.e. how to permute them, i.e. $6$ ways.
In fact, if we waive the adjacency requirement, we have $5$ ways to fix the color of the back face, since
a cube R front - B back cannot be rotated into a R front - not B back. For the lateral faces we are still given $6$ choices as above,
and so $30$ in total.
Thus $30-6=24$ are the ways to put R and B adjacent, which is your third result.
If you cut the cube open to get a configuration of squares as you say, then if you properly account for adjacencies and rotations
you shall still get $24$ out of $30$. If you get $10$ (don't know exactly under which hypotesis) something is wrong.
The number of ways to reach a result depends on how many ways you are allowed to take,
that is you have to define the result (success) in a space of events.
In this case the wording suggests that you are considering the space of all the colored cubes
which are not equivalent upon rotation.
As explained in this related post such a space consists of $30$ different configurations.
In such space, you can always orientate the cube to have ,for instance, the R face in front of you.
Then there is only one way to get B non-adjacent to R: to be on the back face.
For the other colors, since you can rotate the cube around the RB axis, assume to fix the color of the upper face (e.g. yellow).
The choices you are left is how to place the other three colors, i.e. how to permute them, i.e. $6$ ways.
In fact, if we waive the adjacency requirement, we have $5$ ways to fix the color of the back face, since
a cube R front - B back cannot be rotated into a R front - not B back. For the lateral faces we are still given $6$ choices as above,
and so $30$ in total.
Thus $30-6=24$ are the ways to put R and B adjacent, which is your third result.
If you cut the cube open to get a configuration of squares as you say, then if you properly account for adjacencies and rotations
you shall still get $24$ out of $30$. If you get $10$ (don't know exactly under which hypotesis) something is wrong.
edited Dec 11 '18 at 16:52
answered Dec 10 '18 at 18:10
G Cab
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The way the question is posed is very confusing; what does "sampling with uniform probability from a space of possibilities" matter to the question, which is not "what is the probability that..." but rather "how many ways are there to?" The front half of the question appears to have nothing whatsoever to do with the back half.
– Eric Lippert
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You have a hypothesis that 4 is a possible answer. That hypothesis can be falsified if you can find five such colourings. If you're bad at spacial visualization, go get some sugar cubes and six different colours of sharpies and start colouring; you'll quickly know if there are more than four.
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