Mysterious polynomial sequence












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Can someone identify this polynomial sequence? Is it known in mathematics? I'm interested in various properties of this sequence.

I'd like to find $P(n)$, $nin mathbb{Z}^+$



begin{align}
P(0)&= 1\
P(1)&= a\
P(2)&= a^2+b\
P(3)&= a^3+2ab\
P(4)&= a^4+3a^2b+b^2\
P(5)&= a^5+4a^3b+3ab^2\
P(6)&= a^6+5a^4b+6a^2b^2+b^3\
P(7)&= a^7+6 a^5 b+10 a^3 b^2+4 a b^3\
P(8)&= a^8 + 7 a^6 b + 15 a^4 b^2 + 10 a^2 b^3 + b^4\
P(9)&= a^9 + 8 a^7 b + 21 a^5 b^2 + 20 a^3 b^3 + 5 a b^4\
P(10)&= a^{10} + 9 a^8 b + 28 a^6 b^2 + 35 a^4 b^3 + 15 a^2 b^4 + b^5
end{align}



More steps upon request.



I'll be grateful for any hints!






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    Essentially OEIS A011973 and OEIS A169803
    – Henry
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  • Have a look at Lucas sequences. I've a feeling you'll find a rich vein of material there. Is there some pair of polynomials in a,b you can substitute into $P,Q$ here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_sequence#Examples
    – user334732
    Dec 17 at 19:22
















5














Can someone identify this polynomial sequence? Is it known in mathematics? I'm interested in various properties of this sequence.

I'd like to find $P(n)$, $nin mathbb{Z}^+$



begin{align}
P(0)&= 1\
P(1)&= a\
P(2)&= a^2+b\
P(3)&= a^3+2ab\
P(4)&= a^4+3a^2b+b^2\
P(5)&= a^5+4a^3b+3ab^2\
P(6)&= a^6+5a^4b+6a^2b^2+b^3\
P(7)&= a^7+6 a^5 b+10 a^3 b^2+4 a b^3\
P(8)&= a^8 + 7 a^6 b + 15 a^4 b^2 + 10 a^2 b^3 + b^4\
P(9)&= a^9 + 8 a^7 b + 21 a^5 b^2 + 20 a^3 b^3 + 5 a b^4\
P(10)&= a^{10} + 9 a^8 b + 28 a^6 b^2 + 35 a^4 b^3 + 15 a^2 b^4 + b^5
end{align}



More steps upon request.



I'll be grateful for any hints!






sequences-and-series polynomials







share|cite|improve this question




















  • 1




    Essentially OEIS A011973 and OEIS A169803
    – Henry
    Dec 17 at 18:13










  • Have a look at Lucas sequences. I've a feeling you'll find a rich vein of material there. Is there some pair of polynomials in a,b you can substitute into $P,Q$ here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_sequence#Examples
    – user334732
    Dec 17 at 19:22














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5







Can someone identify this polynomial sequence? Is it known in mathematics? I'm interested in various properties of this sequence.

I'd like to find $P(n)$, $nin mathbb{Z}^+$



begin{align}
P(0)&= 1\
P(1)&= a\
P(2)&= a^2+b\
P(3)&= a^3+2ab\
P(4)&= a^4+3a^2b+b^2\
P(5)&= a^5+4a^3b+3ab^2\
P(6)&= a^6+5a^4b+6a^2b^2+b^3\
P(7)&= a^7+6 a^5 b+10 a^3 b^2+4 a b^3\
P(8)&= a^8 + 7 a^6 b + 15 a^4 b^2 + 10 a^2 b^3 + b^4\
P(9)&= a^9 + 8 a^7 b + 21 a^5 b^2 + 20 a^3 b^3 + 5 a b^4\
P(10)&= a^{10} + 9 a^8 b + 28 a^6 b^2 + 35 a^4 b^3 + 15 a^2 b^4 + b^5
end{align}



More steps upon request.



I'll be grateful for any hints!






sequences-and-series polynomials







share|cite|improve this question















Can someone identify this polynomial sequence? Is it known in mathematics? I'm interested in various properties of this sequence.

I'd like to find $P(n)$, $nin mathbb{Z}^+$



begin{align}
P(0)&= 1\
P(1)&= a\
P(2)&= a^2+b\
P(3)&= a^3+2ab\
P(4)&= a^4+3a^2b+b^2\
P(5)&= a^5+4a^3b+3ab^2\
P(6)&= a^6+5a^4b+6a^2b^2+b^3\
P(7)&= a^7+6 a^5 b+10 a^3 b^2+4 a b^3\
P(8)&= a^8 + 7 a^6 b + 15 a^4 b^2 + 10 a^2 b^3 + b^4\
P(9)&= a^9 + 8 a^7 b + 21 a^5 b^2 + 20 a^3 b^3 + 5 a b^4\
P(10)&= a^{10} + 9 a^8 b + 28 a^6 b^2 + 35 a^4 b^3 + 15 a^2 b^4 + b^5
end{align}



More steps upon request.



I'll be grateful for any hints!






sequences-and-series polynomials




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  • 1




    Essentially OEIS A011973 and OEIS A169803
    – Henry
    Dec 17 at 18:13










  • Have a look at Lucas sequences. I've a feeling you'll find a rich vein of material there. Is there some pair of polynomials in a,b you can substitute into $P,Q$ here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_sequence#Examples
    – user334732
    Dec 17 at 19:22














  • 1




    Essentially OEIS A011973 and OEIS A169803
    – Henry
    Dec 17 at 18:13










  • Have a look at Lucas sequences. I've a feeling you'll find a rich vein of material there. Is there some pair of polynomials in a,b you can substitute into $P,Q$ here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_sequence#Examples
    – user334732
    Dec 17 at 19:22








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1




Essentially OEIS A011973 and OEIS A169803
– Henry
Dec 17 at 18:13




Essentially OEIS A011973 and OEIS A169803
– Henry
Dec 17 at 18:13












Have a look at Lucas sequences. I've a feeling you'll find a rich vein of material there. Is there some pair of polynomials in a,b you can substitute into $P,Q$ here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_sequence#Examples
– user334732
Dec 17 at 19:22




Have a look at Lucas sequences. I've a feeling you'll find a rich vein of material there. Is there some pair of polynomials in a,b you can substitute into $P,Q$ here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_sequence#Examples
– user334732
Dec 17 at 19:22










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Hint. Note that the following recurrence holds: for $ngeq 2$,
$$P(n)=aP(n-1)+bP(n-2).$$
They are related to the Fibonacci polynomials. The wiki page gives a list of properties. For example we have that
$$P(n)=sum_{k=0}^{lfloor n/2rfloor}binom{n-k}{k}a^{n-2k}b^k.$$






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  • @BarryCipra Yes it's better to stick to OP's notation. Thanks for pointing out.
    – Robert Z
    Dec 17 at 14:10










  • Many thanks! :) I must study these properties to find if I find something useful
    – Ender
    Dec 17 at 14:25



















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$$-frac{2^{-n} left(left(a-sqrt{a^2+4 b}right)^n-left(sqrt{a^2+4
b}+aright)^nright)}{sqrt{a^2+4 b}}$$






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    Hint. Note that the following recurrence holds: for $ngeq 2$,
    $$P(n)=aP(n-1)+bP(n-2).$$
    They are related to the Fibonacci polynomials. The wiki page gives a list of properties. For example we have that
    $$P(n)=sum_{k=0}^{lfloor n/2rfloor}binom{n-k}{k}a^{n-2k}b^k.$$






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    • @BarryCipra Yes it's better to stick to OP's notation. Thanks for pointing out.
      – Robert Z
      Dec 17 at 14:10










    • Many thanks! :) I must study these properties to find if I find something useful
      – Ender
      Dec 17 at 14:25
















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    Hint. Note that the following recurrence holds: for $ngeq 2$,
    $$P(n)=aP(n-1)+bP(n-2).$$
    They are related to the Fibonacci polynomials. The wiki page gives a list of properties. For example we have that
    $$P(n)=sum_{k=0}^{lfloor n/2rfloor}binom{n-k}{k}a^{n-2k}b^k.$$






    share|cite|improve this answer























    • @BarryCipra Yes it's better to stick to OP's notation. Thanks for pointing out.
      – Robert Z
      Dec 17 at 14:10










    • Many thanks! :) I must study these properties to find if I find something useful
      – Ender
      Dec 17 at 14:25














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    Hint. Note that the following recurrence holds: for $ngeq 2$,
    $$P(n)=aP(n-1)+bP(n-2).$$
    They are related to the Fibonacci polynomials. The wiki page gives a list of properties. For example we have that
    $$P(n)=sum_{k=0}^{lfloor n/2rfloor}binom{n-k}{k}a^{n-2k}b^k.$$






    share|cite|improve this answer














    Hint. Note that the following recurrence holds: for $ngeq 2$,
    $$P(n)=aP(n-1)+bP(n-2).$$
    They are related to the Fibonacci polynomials. The wiki page gives a list of properties. For example we have that
    $$P(n)=sum_{k=0}^{lfloor n/2rfloor}binom{n-k}{k}a^{n-2k}b^k.$$







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    • @BarryCipra Yes it's better to stick to OP's notation. Thanks for pointing out.
      – Robert Z
      Dec 17 at 14:10










    • Many thanks! :) I must study these properties to find if I find something useful
      – Ender
      Dec 17 at 14:25


















    • @BarryCipra Yes it's better to stick to OP's notation. Thanks for pointing out.
      – Robert Z
      Dec 17 at 14:10










    • Many thanks! :) I must study these properties to find if I find something useful
      – Ender
      Dec 17 at 14:25
















    @BarryCipra Yes it's better to stick to OP's notation. Thanks for pointing out.
    – Robert Z
    Dec 17 at 14:10




    @BarryCipra Yes it's better to stick to OP's notation. Thanks for pointing out.
    – Robert Z
    Dec 17 at 14:10












    Many thanks! :) I must study these properties to find if I find something useful
    – Ender
    Dec 17 at 14:25




    Many thanks! :) I must study these properties to find if I find something useful
    – Ender
    Dec 17 at 14:25











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    Try:



    $$-frac{2^{-n} left(left(a-sqrt{a^2+4 b}right)^n-left(sqrt{a^2+4
    b}+aright)^nright)}{sqrt{a^2+4 b}}$$






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