Clarification of rulings on Carrionette
It is my understanding that the individual card rulings on Gatherer are essentially clarifying comments. i.e. they are "just" an application of the comprehensive rules to that specific card.
With that in mind, the rulings for Carrionette state:
A creature with Protection from Creatures can’t be targeted by this card’s ability.
But, when Carrionette is in the graveyard, it is not a creature. My guess is that rule 112 covers this somehow, but I'm not seeing it.
magic-the-gathering
edited Dec 5 at 21:11
Glorfindel
2,1251826
asked Dec 5 at 21:05
John
2,6231430
add a comment |
It is my understanding that the individual card rulings on Gatherer are essentially clarifying comments. i.e. they are "just" an application of the comprehensive rules to that specific card.
With that in mind, the rulings for Carrionette state:
A creature with Protection from Creatures can’t be targeted by this card’s ability.
But, when Carrionette is in the graveyard, it is not a creature. My guess is that rule 112 covers this somehow, but I'm not seeing it.
magic-the-gathering
edited Dec 5 at 21:11
Glorfindel
2,1251826
asked Dec 5 at 21:05
John
2,6231430
add a comment |
It is my understanding that the individual card rulings on Gatherer are essentially clarifying comments. i.e. they are "just" an application of the comprehensive rules to that specific card.
With that in mind, the rulings for Carrionette state:
A creature with Protection from Creatures can’t be targeted by this card’s ability.
But, when Carrionette is in the graveyard, it is not a creature. My guess is that rule 112 covers this somehow, but I'm not seeing it.
magic-the-gathering
edited Dec 5 at 21:11
Glorfindel
2,1251826
asked Dec 5 at 21:05
John
2,6231430
It is my understanding that the individual card rulings on Gatherer are essentially clarifying comments. i.e. they are "just" an application of the comprehensive rules to that specific card.
With that in mind, the rulings for Carrionette state:
A creature with Protection from Creatures can’t be targeted by this card’s ability.
But, when Carrionette is in the graveyard, it is not a creature. My guess is that rule 112 covers this somehow, but I'm not seeing it.
magic-the-gathering
magic-the-gathering
edited Dec 5 at 21:11
Glorfindel
2,1251826
asked Dec 5 at 21:05
John
2,6231430
edited Dec 5 at 21:11
Glorfindel
2,1251826
asked Dec 5 at 21:05
John
2,6231430
edited Dec 5 at 21:11
Glorfindel
2,1251826
edited Dec 5 at 21:11
Glorfindel
2,1251826
edited Dec 5 at 21:11
Glorfindel
2,1251826
2,1251826
asked Dec 5 at 21:05
John
2,6231430
asked Dec 5 at 21:05
John
2,6231430
asked Dec 5 at 21:05
John
2,6231430
2,6231430
add a comment |
add a comment |
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
'creature' is not only a permanent type, but also a card type. Rule 702.16a states:
702.16a Protection is a static ability, written “Protection from [quality].”
...
If the quality is a card type, subtype, or supertype, the ability applies to sources that are permanents with that card type, subtype, or supertype and to any sources not on the battlefield that are of that card type, subtype, or supertype. This is an exception to rule 109.2.
109.2. If a spell or ability uses a description of an object that includes a card type or subtype, but doesn’t include the word “card,” “spell,” “source,” or “scheme,” it means a permanent of that card type or subtype on the battlefield.
(emphasis mine)
so even though while a graveyarded Carrionette is not a creature by rule 109.2, it's still a card with type 'creature' which is sufficient for the protection ability.
answered Dec 5 at 21:10
Glorfindel
2,1251826
1
It is not clear to me why 109.2 does not apply here. "Protection from creatures" is an ability that includes a card type and does not include the word "card". It sounds like 702.16a and 109.2 contradict each other.
– GendoIkari
Dec 5 at 21:16
109.2. If a spell or ability uses a description of an object that includes a card type or subtype, but doesn’t include the word “card,” “spell,” “source,” or “scheme,” it means a permanent of that card type or subtype on the battlefield.
– GendoIkari
Dec 5 at 21:16
Because the expanded definition of the ability explicitly states that it applies to non-permanent objects.
– murgatroid99♦
Dec 5 at 21:17
3
@GendoIkari I don't know why they made an exception to rule 109.2, but they did.
– Glorfindel
Dec 5 at 21:18
1
@GendoIkari thanks for pointing that out, it's slightly more convoluted than I originally thought (but still covered by the rules...).
– Glorfindel
Dec 5 at 21:24
|
show 5 more comments
Your Answer
StackExchange.ready(function() {
var channelOptions = {
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "147"
};
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
createEditor();
});
}
else {
createEditor();
}
});
function createEditor() {
StackExchange.prepareEditor({
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader: {
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
},
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
});
}
});
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fboardgames.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f44294%2fclarification-of-rulings-on-carrionette%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
'creature' is not only a permanent type, but also a card type. Rule 702.16a states:
702.16a Protection is a static ability, written “Protection from [quality].”
...
If the quality is a card type, subtype, or supertype, the ability applies to sources that are permanents with that card type, subtype, or supertype and to any sources not on the battlefield that are of that card type, subtype, or supertype. This is an exception to rule 109.2.
109.2. If a spell or ability uses a description of an object that includes a card type or subtype, but doesn’t include the word “card,” “spell,” “source,” or “scheme,” it means a permanent of that card type or subtype on the battlefield.
(emphasis mine)
so even though while a graveyarded Carrionette is not a creature by rule 109.2, it's still a card with type 'creature' which is sufficient for the protection ability.
answered Dec 5 at 21:10
Glorfindel
2,1251826
1
It is not clear to me why 109.2 does not apply here. "Protection from creatures" is an ability that includes a card type and does not include the word "card". It sounds like 702.16a and 109.2 contradict each other.
– GendoIkari
Dec 5 at 21:16
109.2. If a spell or ability uses a description of an object that includes a card type or subtype, but doesn’t include the word “card,” “spell,” “source,” or “scheme,” it means a permanent of that card type or subtype on the battlefield.
– GendoIkari
Dec 5 at 21:16
Because the expanded definition of the ability explicitly states that it applies to non-permanent objects.
– murgatroid99♦
Dec 5 at 21:17
3
@GendoIkari I don't know why they made an exception to rule 109.2, but they did.
– Glorfindel
Dec 5 at 21:18
1
@GendoIkari thanks for pointing that out, it's slightly more convoluted than I originally thought (but still covered by the rules...).
– Glorfindel
Dec 5 at 21:24
|
show 5 more comments
'creature' is not only a permanent type, but also a card type. Rule 702.16a states:
702.16a Protection is a static ability, written “Protection from [quality].”
...
If the quality is a card type, subtype, or supertype, the ability applies to sources that are permanents with that card type, subtype, or supertype and to any sources not on the battlefield that are of that card type, subtype, or supertype. This is an exception to rule 109.2.
109.2. If a spell or ability uses a description of an object that includes a card type or subtype, but doesn’t include the word “card,” “spell,” “source,” or “scheme,” it means a permanent of that card type or subtype on the battlefield.
(emphasis mine)
so even though while a graveyarded Carrionette is not a creature by rule 109.2, it's still a card with type 'creature' which is sufficient for the protection ability.
answered Dec 5 at 21:10
Glorfindel
2,1251826
1
It is not clear to me why 109.2 does not apply here. "Protection from creatures" is an ability that includes a card type and does not include the word "card". It sounds like 702.16a and 109.2 contradict each other.
– GendoIkari
Dec 5 at 21:16
109.2. If a spell or ability uses a description of an object that includes a card type or subtype, but doesn’t include the word “card,” “spell,” “source,” or “scheme,” it means a permanent of that card type or subtype on the battlefield.
– GendoIkari
Dec 5 at 21:16
Because the expanded definition of the ability explicitly states that it applies to non-permanent objects.
– murgatroid99♦
Dec 5 at 21:17
3
@GendoIkari I don't know why they made an exception to rule 109.2, but they did.
– Glorfindel
Dec 5 at 21:18
1
@GendoIkari thanks for pointing that out, it's slightly more convoluted than I originally thought (but still covered by the rules...).
– Glorfindel
Dec 5 at 21:24
|
show 5 more comments
'creature' is not only a permanent type, but also a card type. Rule 702.16a states:
702.16a Protection is a static ability, written “Protection from [quality].”
...
If the quality is a card type, subtype, or supertype, the ability applies to sources that are permanents with that card type, subtype, or supertype and to any sources not on the battlefield that are of that card type, subtype, or supertype. This is an exception to rule 109.2.
109.2. If a spell or ability uses a description of an object that includes a card type or subtype, but doesn’t include the word “card,” “spell,” “source,” or “scheme,” it means a permanent of that card type or subtype on the battlefield.
(emphasis mine)
so even though while a graveyarded Carrionette is not a creature by rule 109.2, it's still a card with type 'creature' which is sufficient for the protection ability.
answered Dec 5 at 21:10
Glorfindel
2,1251826
'creature' is not only a permanent type, but also a card type. Rule 702.16a states:
702.16a Protection is a static ability, written “Protection from [quality].”
...
If the quality is a card type, subtype, or supertype, the ability applies to sources that are permanents with that card type, subtype, or supertype and to any sources not on the battlefield that are of that card type, subtype, or supertype. This is an exception to rule 109.2.
109.2. If a spell or ability uses a description of an object that includes a card type or subtype, but doesn’t include the word “card,” “spell,” “source,” or “scheme,” it means a permanent of that card type or subtype on the battlefield.
(emphasis mine)
so even though while a graveyarded Carrionette is not a creature by rule 109.2, it's still a card with type 'creature' which is sufficient for the protection ability.
answered Dec 5 at 21:10
Glorfindel
2,1251826
edited Dec 5 at 21:23
answered Dec 5 at 21:10
Glorfindel
2,1251826
answered Dec 5 at 21:10
Glorfindel
2,1251826
answered Dec 5 at 21:10
Glorfindel
2,1251826
2,1251826
1
It is not clear to me why 109.2 does not apply here. "Protection from creatures" is an ability that includes a card type and does not include the word "card". It sounds like 702.16a and 109.2 contradict each other.
– GendoIkari
Dec 5 at 21:16
109.2. If a spell or ability uses a description of an object that includes a card type or subtype, but doesn’t include the word “card,” “spell,” “source,” or “scheme,” it means a permanent of that card type or subtype on the battlefield.
– GendoIkari
Dec 5 at 21:16
Because the expanded definition of the ability explicitly states that it applies to non-permanent objects.
– murgatroid99♦
Dec 5 at 21:17
3
@GendoIkari I don't know why they made an exception to rule 109.2, but they did.
– Glorfindel
Dec 5 at 21:18
1
@GendoIkari thanks for pointing that out, it's slightly more convoluted than I originally thought (but still covered by the rules...).
– Glorfindel
Dec 5 at 21:24
|
show 5 more comments
1
It is not clear to me why 109.2 does not apply here. "Protection from creatures" is an ability that includes a card type and does not include the word "card". It sounds like 702.16a and 109.2 contradict each other.
– GendoIkari
Dec 5 at 21:16
109.2. If a spell or ability uses a description of an object that includes a card type or subtype, but doesn’t include the word “card,” “spell,” “source,” or “scheme,” it means a permanent of that card type or subtype on the battlefield.
– GendoIkari
Dec 5 at 21:16
Because the expanded definition of the ability explicitly states that it applies to non-permanent objects.
– murgatroid99♦
Dec 5 at 21:17
3
@GendoIkari I don't know why they made an exception to rule 109.2, but they did.
– Glorfindel
Dec 5 at 21:18
1
@GendoIkari thanks for pointing that out, it's slightly more convoluted than I originally thought (but still covered by the rules...).
– Glorfindel
Dec 5 at 21:24
1
1
It is not clear to me why 109.2 does not apply here. "Protection from creatures" is an ability that includes a card type and does not include the word "card". It sounds like 702.16a and 109.2 contradict each other.
– GendoIkari
Dec 5 at 21:16
It is not clear to me why 109.2 does not apply here. "Protection from creatures" is an ability that includes a card type and does not include the word "card". It sounds like 702.16a and 109.2 contradict each other.
– GendoIkari
Dec 5 at 21:16
109.2. If a spell or ability uses a description of an object that includes a card type or subtype, but doesn’t include the word “card,” “spell,” “source,” or “scheme,” it means a permanent of that card type or subtype on the battlefield.
– GendoIkari
Dec 5 at 21:16
109.2. If a spell or ability uses a description of an object that includes a card type or subtype, but doesn’t include the word “card,” “spell,” “source,” or “scheme,” it means a permanent of that card type or subtype on the battlefield.
– GendoIkari
Dec 5 at 21:16
Because the expanded definition of the ability explicitly states that it applies to non-permanent objects.
– murgatroid99♦
Dec 5 at 21:17
Because the expanded definition of the ability explicitly states that it applies to non-permanent objects.
– murgatroid99♦
Dec 5 at 21:17
3
3
@GendoIkari I don't know why they made an exception to rule 109.2, but they did.
– Glorfindel
Dec 5 at 21:18
@GendoIkari I don't know why they made an exception to rule 109.2, but they did.
– Glorfindel
Dec 5 at 21:18
1
1
@GendoIkari thanks for pointing that out, it's slightly more convoluted than I originally thought (but still covered by the rules...).
– Glorfindel
Dec 5 at 21:24
@GendoIkari thanks for pointing that out, it's slightly more convoluted than I originally thought (but still covered by the rules...).
– Glorfindel
Dec 5 at 21:24
|
show 5 more comments
Thanks for contributing an answer to Board & Card Games Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Some of your past answers have not been well-received, and you're in danger of being blocked from answering.
Please pay close attention to the following guidance:
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function () {
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fboardgames.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f44294%2fclarification-of-rulings-on-carrionette%23new-answer', 'question_page');
}
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
