Is there anything to support this Wikipedia claim about Ursula K. Le Guin re-using the planet name...
Comments to Lorendiac's answer in this question pointed out an odd coincidence -- Ursula K. Le Guin may have used the same planet name ("Werel") to refer to different worlds in different stories:
The related 1960s novels Planet of Exile and City of Illusions
The 1995 novella collection Four Ways to Forgiveness
The Wikipedia article for Four Ways to Forgiveness claims
This 'Werel' is not the same as the world called Werel in Le Guin's Planet of Exile and City of Illusions.
but there isn't any citation or explanation why.
Both novels are set in the "Hainish Cycle" universe and both involve liberation from slavery. In PoEx and CoI the Werelese are liberators but in FWtF they are the enslavers.
Is there any statement from LeGuin herself about any relation (or lack thereof) between the Werels in the two story sets, or is it inferred only from the text?
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Comments to Lorendiac's answer in this question pointed out an odd coincidence -- Ursula K. Le Guin may have used the same planet name ("Werel") to refer to different worlds in different stories:
The related 1960s novels Planet of Exile and City of Illusions
The 1995 novella collection Four Ways to Forgiveness
The Wikipedia article for Four Ways to Forgiveness claims
This 'Werel' is not the same as the world called Werel in Le Guin's Planet of Exile and City of Illusions.
but there isn't any citation or explanation why.
Both novels are set in the "Hainish Cycle" universe and both involve liberation from slavery. In PoEx and CoI the Werelese are liberators but in FWtF they are the enslavers.
Is there any statement from LeGuin herself about any relation (or lack thereof) between the Werels in the two story sets, or is it inferred only from the text?
ursula-k-le-guin hainish-cycle
asked Jan 1 at 17:33
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As an aside, in any sufficiently realistic work planet names will be deliberately duplicated, for much the same reason there is, e.g., more than one city named Dover, only more so.
– Harry Johnston
Jan 1 at 18:39
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Comments to Lorendiac's answer in this question pointed out an odd coincidence -- Ursula K. Le Guin may have used the same planet name ("Werel") to refer to different worlds in different stories:
The related 1960s novels Planet of Exile and City of Illusions
The 1995 novella collection Four Ways to Forgiveness
The Wikipedia article for Four Ways to Forgiveness claims
This 'Werel' is not the same as the world called Werel in Le Guin's Planet of Exile and City of Illusions.
but there isn't any citation or explanation why.
Both novels are set in the "Hainish Cycle" universe and both involve liberation from slavery. In PoEx and CoI the Werelese are liberators but in FWtF they are the enslavers.
Is there any statement from LeGuin herself about any relation (or lack thereof) between the Werels in the two story sets, or is it inferred only from the text?
ursula-k-le-guin hainish-cycle
asked Jan 1 at 17:33
Spencer
5181515
Comments to Lorendiac's answer in this question pointed out an odd coincidence -- Ursula K. Le Guin may have used the same planet name ("Werel") to refer to different worlds in different stories:
The related 1960s novels Planet of Exile and City of Illusions
The 1995 novella collection Four Ways to Forgiveness
The Wikipedia article for Four Ways to Forgiveness claims
This 'Werel' is not the same as the world called Werel in Le Guin's Planet of Exile and City of Illusions.
but there isn't any citation or explanation why.
Both novels are set in the "Hainish Cycle" universe and both involve liberation from slavery. In PoEx and CoI the Werelese are liberators but in FWtF they are the enslavers.
Is there any statement from LeGuin herself about any relation (or lack thereof) between the Werels in the two story sets, or is it inferred only from the text?
ursula-k-le-guin hainish-cycle
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As an aside, in any sufficiently realistic work planet names will be deliberately duplicated, for much the same reason there is, e.g., more than one city named Dover, only more so.
– Harry Johnston
Jan 1 at 18:39
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As an aside, in any sufficiently realistic work planet names will be deliberately duplicated, for much the same reason there is, e.g., more than one city named Dover, only more so.
– Harry Johnston
Jan 1 at 18:39
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As an aside, in any sufficiently realistic work planet names will be deliberately duplicated, for much the same reason there is, e.g., more than one city named Dover, only more so.
– Harry Johnston
Jan 1 at 18:39
As an aside, in any sufficiently realistic work planet names will be deliberately duplicated, for much the same reason there is, e.g., more than one city named Dover, only more so.
– Harry Johnston
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If you follow the source linked in the Wikipedia article it quotes LeGuin with saying in an open letter that she had "simply forgot" that she had used the name already. Also the planets are described differently. Screenshot from Google Books:
The book is: Erlich, Richard D. (2009). Coyote's Song: The Teaching Stories of Ursula K. Le Guin. Milford series: Popular writers of today. 72. Wildside Press. p. 432. ISBN 9781434457752.
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I'm always loath to quote from preview-only Google Books sources, especially given LeGuin's fierce vocal opposition to what she perceived as Google's disregarding of copyright. It would be great to see the "Open Letter" itself.
– Spencer
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@Spencer, personally I'd loathe to leave my wife's sick bed to drive home and pick the book from the shelf just so I can quote it first hand, so Google books is all that you'll get from me. I may understand your feelings about this, but that doesn't make the answer wrong.
– Eike Pierstorff
Jan 1 at 17:59
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@Eike You have my upvote but there's the matter of the prudent 24-hour soak before accepting an answer (in addition to Valorum's providing a great source for an edit).
– Spencer
Jan 1 at 18:10
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@V2Blast: Even if a screen reader could OCR the text, it won't, because the image's alt text is set to "enter image description here" (so that's what the screen reader will say).
– Kevin
2 days ago
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@Spencer, sorry, my comment came out all wrong, didn't it? I just wanted to point out that I did not deprive any author of his royalties, since that seems to worry you. Google books was just a convenience while I am not at home.
– Eike Pierstorff
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If you follow the source linked in the Wikipedia article it quotes LeGuin with saying in an open letter that she had "simply forgot" that she had used the name already. Also the planets are described differently. Screenshot from Google Books:
The book is: Erlich, Richard D. (2009). Coyote's Song: The Teaching Stories of Ursula K. Le Guin. Milford series: Popular writers of today. 72. Wildside Press. p. 432. ISBN 9781434457752.
edited Jan 2 at 0:05
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answered Jan 1 at 17:42
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I'm always loath to quote from preview-only Google Books sources, especially given LeGuin's fierce vocal opposition to what she perceived as Google's disregarding of copyright. It would be great to see the "Open Letter" itself.
– Spencer
Jan 1 at 17:50
11
@Spencer, personally I'd loathe to leave my wife's sick bed to drive home and pick the book from the shelf just so I can quote it first hand, so Google books is all that you'll get from me. I may understand your feelings about this, but that doesn't make the answer wrong.
– Eike Pierstorff
Jan 1 at 17:59
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@Eike You have my upvote but there's the matter of the prudent 24-hour soak before accepting an answer (in addition to Valorum's providing a great source for an edit).
– Spencer
Jan 1 at 18:10
1
@V2Blast: Even if a screen reader could OCR the text, it won't, because the image's alt text is set to "enter image description here" (so that's what the screen reader will say).
– Kevin
2 days ago
1
@Spencer, sorry, my comment came out all wrong, didn't it? I just wanted to point out that I did not deprive any author of his royalties, since that seems to worry you. Google books was just a convenience while I am not at home.
– Eike Pierstorff
2 days ago
|
show 1 more comment
If you follow the source linked in the Wikipedia article it quotes LeGuin with saying in an open letter that she had "simply forgot" that she had used the name already. Also the planets are described differently. Screenshot from Google Books:
The book is: Erlich, Richard D. (2009). Coyote's Song: The Teaching Stories of Ursula K. Le Guin. Milford series: Popular writers of today. 72. Wildside Press. p. 432. ISBN 9781434457752.
edited Jan 2 at 0:05
V2Blast
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answered Jan 1 at 17:42
Eike Pierstorff
8,54723538
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I'm always loath to quote from preview-only Google Books sources, especially given LeGuin's fierce vocal opposition to what she perceived as Google's disregarding of copyright. It would be great to see the "Open Letter" itself.
– Spencer
Jan 1 at 17:50
11
@Spencer, personally I'd loathe to leave my wife's sick bed to drive home and pick the book from the shelf just so I can quote it first hand, so Google books is all that you'll get from me. I may understand your feelings about this, but that doesn't make the answer wrong.
– Eike Pierstorff
Jan 1 at 17:59
4
@Eike You have my upvote but there's the matter of the prudent 24-hour soak before accepting an answer (in addition to Valorum's providing a great source for an edit).
– Spencer
Jan 1 at 18:10
1
@V2Blast: Even if a screen reader could OCR the text, it won't, because the image's alt text is set to "enter image description here" (so that's what the screen reader will say).
– Kevin
2 days ago
1
@Spencer, sorry, my comment came out all wrong, didn't it? I just wanted to point out that I did not deprive any author of his royalties, since that seems to worry you. Google books was just a convenience while I am not at home.
– Eike Pierstorff
2 days ago
|
show 1 more comment
If you follow the source linked in the Wikipedia article it quotes LeGuin with saying in an open letter that she had "simply forgot" that she had used the name already. Also the planets are described differently. Screenshot from Google Books:
The book is: Erlich, Richard D. (2009). Coyote's Song: The Teaching Stories of Ursula K. Le Guin. Milford series: Popular writers of today. 72. Wildside Press. p. 432. ISBN 9781434457752.
edited Jan 2 at 0:05
V2Blast
13219
answered Jan 1 at 17:42
Eike Pierstorff
8,54723538
If you follow the source linked in the Wikipedia article it quotes LeGuin with saying in an open letter that she had "simply forgot" that she had used the name already. Also the planets are described differently. Screenshot from Google Books:
The book is: Erlich, Richard D. (2009). Coyote's Song: The Teaching Stories of Ursula K. Le Guin. Milford series: Popular writers of today. 72. Wildside Press. p. 432. ISBN 9781434457752.
edited Jan 2 at 0:05
V2Blast
13219
answered Jan 1 at 17:42
Eike Pierstorff
8,54723538
edited Jan 2 at 0:05
V2Blast
13219
edited Jan 2 at 0:05
V2Blast
13219
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answered Jan 1 at 17:42
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answered Jan 1 at 17:42
Eike Pierstorff
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answered Jan 1 at 17:42
Eike Pierstorff
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I'm always loath to quote from preview-only Google Books sources, especially given LeGuin's fierce vocal opposition to what she perceived as Google's disregarding of copyright. It would be great to see the "Open Letter" itself.
– Spencer
Jan 1 at 17:50
11
@Spencer, personally I'd loathe to leave my wife's sick bed to drive home and pick the book from the shelf just so I can quote it first hand, so Google books is all that you'll get from me. I may understand your feelings about this, but that doesn't make the answer wrong.
– Eike Pierstorff
Jan 1 at 17:59
4
@Eike You have my upvote but there's the matter of the prudent 24-hour soak before accepting an answer (in addition to Valorum's providing a great source for an edit).
– Spencer
Jan 1 at 18:10
1
@V2Blast: Even if a screen reader could OCR the text, it won't, because the image's alt text is set to "enter image description here" (so that's what the screen reader will say).
– Kevin
2 days ago
1
@Spencer, sorry, my comment came out all wrong, didn't it? I just wanted to point out that I did not deprive any author of his royalties, since that seems to worry you. Google books was just a convenience while I am not at home.
– Eike Pierstorff
2 days ago
|
show 1 more comment
3
I'm always loath to quote from preview-only Google Books sources, especially given LeGuin's fierce vocal opposition to what she perceived as Google's disregarding of copyright. It would be great to see the "Open Letter" itself.
– Spencer
Jan 1 at 17:50
11
@Spencer, personally I'd loathe to leave my wife's sick bed to drive home and pick the book from the shelf just so I can quote it first hand, so Google books is all that you'll get from me. I may understand your feelings about this, but that doesn't make the answer wrong.
– Eike Pierstorff
Jan 1 at 17:59
4
@Eike You have my upvote but there's the matter of the prudent 24-hour soak before accepting an answer (in addition to Valorum's providing a great source for an edit).
– Spencer
Jan 1 at 18:10
1
@V2Blast: Even if a screen reader could OCR the text, it won't, because the image's alt text is set to "enter image description here" (so that's what the screen reader will say).
– Kevin
2 days ago
1
@Spencer, sorry, my comment came out all wrong, didn't it? I just wanted to point out that I did not deprive any author of his royalties, since that seems to worry you. Google books was just a convenience while I am not at home.
– Eike Pierstorff
2 days ago
3
3
I'm always loath to quote from preview-only Google Books sources, especially given LeGuin's fierce vocal opposition to what she perceived as Google's disregarding of copyright. It would be great to see the "Open Letter" itself.
– Spencer
Jan 1 at 17:50
I'm always loath to quote from preview-only Google Books sources, especially given LeGuin's fierce vocal opposition to what she perceived as Google's disregarding of copyright. It would be great to see the "Open Letter" itself.
– Spencer
Jan 1 at 17:50
11
11
@Spencer, personally I'd loathe to leave my wife's sick bed to drive home and pick the book from the shelf just so I can quote it first hand, so Google books is all that you'll get from me. I may understand your feelings about this, but that doesn't make the answer wrong.
– Eike Pierstorff
Jan 1 at 17:59
@Spencer, personally I'd loathe to leave my wife's sick bed to drive home and pick the book from the shelf just so I can quote it first hand, so Google books is all that you'll get from me. I may understand your feelings about this, but that doesn't make the answer wrong.
– Eike Pierstorff
Jan 1 at 17:59
4
4
@Eike You have my upvote but there's the matter of the prudent 24-hour soak before accepting an answer (in addition to Valorum's providing a great source for an edit).
– Spencer
Jan 1 at 18:10
@Eike You have my upvote but there's the matter of the prudent 24-hour soak before accepting an answer (in addition to Valorum's providing a great source for an edit).
– Spencer
Jan 1 at 18:10
1
1
@V2Blast: Even if a screen reader could OCR the text, it won't, because the image's alt text is set to "enter image description here" (so that's what the screen reader will say).
– Kevin
2 days ago
@V2Blast: Even if a screen reader could OCR the text, it won't, because the image's alt text is set to "enter image description here" (so that's what the screen reader will say).
– Kevin
2 days ago
1
1
@Spencer, sorry, my comment came out all wrong, didn't it? I just wanted to point out that I did not deprive any author of his royalties, since that seems to worry you. Google books was just a convenience while I am not at home.
– Eike Pierstorff
2 days ago
@Spencer, sorry, my comment came out all wrong, didn't it? I just wanted to point out that I did not deprive any author of his royalties, since that seems to worry you. Google books was just a convenience while I am not at home.
– Eike Pierstorff
2 days ago
|
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As an aside, in any sufficiently realistic work planet names will be deliberately duplicated, for much the same reason there is, e.g., more than one city named Dover, only more so.
– Harry Johnston
Jan 1 at 18:39