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What does one have to know in order to be called a "Talmid Chochum"? Hypothetically speaking if one knew Tanach or Medresh Rabbah well or even all 4 parts of Shulchan Aruch relatively well, then is he a Talmid Chochum?



And if it's not about knowing, then what does one have to do in order to be called a Talmid Chochum? Do we say that there are different levels (so to speak) of what it means to be a Talmid Chochum?










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  • Lots and lots of Talmud. The more, the more chochum. Good question though, where IS the line to "earn" the title/description?
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    I don't think "Talmid Chachom" is a title in the sense that you earn it based on what you do, I think it's what other people call you when they see (based on their opinion) that you learn lots of Torah. I would call it gaavah if someone walked up to me and said "I'm a talmid chachom!" (Unless, that is, they really were the student of a chachom, in which they would be his talmid...) Like kabbalists, one who calls themselves a talmid chachom is probably not one.
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What does one have to know in order to be called a "Talmid Chochum"? Hypothetically speaking if one knew Tanach or Medresh Rabbah well or even all 4 parts of Shulchan Aruch relatively well, then is he a Talmid Chochum?



And if it's not about knowing, then what does one have to do in order to be called a Talmid Chochum? Do we say that there are different levels (so to speak) of what it means to be a Talmid Chochum?










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    How much math do you have to know to be called smart?
    – Double AA
    Dec 25 at 1:07












  • Lots and lots of Talmud. The more, the more chochum. Good question though, where IS the line to "earn" the title/description?
    – Gary
    Dec 25 at 1:44












  • Check out Horayos 2b
    – Dr. Shmuel
    Dec 25 at 2:46






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    I don't think "Talmid Chachom" is a title in the sense that you earn it based on what you do, I think it's what other people call you when they see (based on their opinion) that you learn lots of Torah. I would call it gaavah if someone walked up to me and said "I'm a talmid chachom!" (Unless, that is, they really were the student of a chachom, in which they would be his talmid...) Like kabbalists, one who calls themselves a talmid chachom is probably not one.
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What does one have to know in order to be called a "Talmid Chochum"? Hypothetically speaking if one knew Tanach or Medresh Rabbah well or even all 4 parts of Shulchan Aruch relatively well, then is he a Talmid Chochum?



And if it's not about knowing, then what does one have to do in order to be called a Talmid Chochum? Do we say that there are different levels (so to speak) of what it means to be a Talmid Chochum?










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And if it's not about knowing, then what does one have to do in order to be called a Talmid Chochum? Do we say that there are different levels (so to speak) of what it means to be a Talmid Chochum?







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  • 3




    How much math do you have to know to be called smart?
    – Double AA
    Dec 25 at 1:07












  • Lots and lots of Talmud. The more, the more chochum. Good question though, where IS the line to "earn" the title/description?
    – Gary
    Dec 25 at 1:44












  • Check out Horayos 2b
    – Dr. Shmuel
    Dec 25 at 2:46






  • 2




    I don't think "Talmid Chachom" is a title in the sense that you earn it based on what you do, I think it's what other people call you when they see (based on their opinion) that you learn lots of Torah. I would call it gaavah if someone walked up to me and said "I'm a talmid chachom!" (Unless, that is, they really were the student of a chachom, in which they would be his talmid...) Like kabbalists, one who calls themselves a talmid chachom is probably not one.
    – ezra
    Dec 25 at 4:57














  • 3




    How much math do you have to know to be called smart?
    – Double AA
    Dec 25 at 1:07












  • Lots and lots of Talmud. The more, the more chochum. Good question though, where IS the line to "earn" the title/description?
    – Gary
    Dec 25 at 1:44












  • Check out Horayos 2b
    – Dr. Shmuel
    Dec 25 at 2:46






  • 2




    I don't think "Talmid Chachom" is a title in the sense that you earn it based on what you do, I think it's what other people call you when they see (based on their opinion) that you learn lots of Torah. I would call it gaavah if someone walked up to me and said "I'm a talmid chachom!" (Unless, that is, they really were the student of a chachom, in which they would be his talmid...) Like kabbalists, one who calls themselves a talmid chachom is probably not one.
    – ezra
    Dec 25 at 4:57








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How much math do you have to know to be called smart?
– Double AA
Dec 25 at 1:07






How much math do you have to know to be called smart?
– Double AA
Dec 25 at 1:07














Lots and lots of Talmud. The more, the more chochum. Good question though, where IS the line to "earn" the title/description?
– Gary
Dec 25 at 1:44






Lots and lots of Talmud. The more, the more chochum. Good question though, where IS the line to "earn" the title/description?
– Gary
Dec 25 at 1:44














Check out Horayos 2b
– Dr. Shmuel
Dec 25 at 2:46




Check out Horayos 2b
– Dr. Shmuel
Dec 25 at 2:46




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I don't think "Talmid Chachom" is a title in the sense that you earn it based on what you do, I think it's what other people call you when they see (based on their opinion) that you learn lots of Torah. I would call it gaavah if someone walked up to me and said "I'm a talmid chachom!" (Unless, that is, they really were the student of a chachom, in which they would be his talmid...) Like kabbalists, one who calls themselves a talmid chachom is probably not one.
– ezra
Dec 25 at 4:57




I don't think "Talmid Chachom" is a title in the sense that you earn it based on what you do, I think it's what other people call you when they see (based on their opinion) that you learn lots of Torah. I would call it gaavah if someone walked up to me and said "I'm a talmid chachom!" (Unless, that is, they really were the student of a chachom, in which they would be his talmid...) Like kabbalists, one who calls themselves a talmid chachom is probably not one.
– ezra
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The Talmud provides several such definitions for various contexts. In the context of conditional marriages we have:



Kiddushin 49b




ע"מ שאני תלמיד אין אומרים כשמעון בן עזאי וכשמעון בן זומא אלא כל ששואלין אותו בכ"מ דבר אחד בלימודו ואומרו ואפילו במסכתא דכלה על מנת שאני חכם אין אומרים כחכמי יבנה כר' עקיבא וחביריו אלא כל ששואלים אותו דבר חכמה בכל מקום ואומרה



‘On condition that I am a disciple [talmid],’ we do not say, such as
Simeon b. ‘Azzai and Simeon b. Zoma, but one who when asked a single question on his studies in
any place can answer it, even in the Tractate Kallah. ‘On condition that I am a Sage,’ we do not
say, like the Sages of Jabneh or like R. Akiba and his companions, but one who can be asked a
matter of wisdom in any place and he can answer it. (Soncino translation)




In another context (according to Tosafot, who qualifies for having their lost objects returned by recognizing the object) we find another standard:



Chullin 44b




אמר רב חסדא איזהו תלמיד חכם זה הרואה טרפה לעצמו



R. Hisda said: Who is a scholar? He who would declare his own animal trefah. (Soncino translation)




Still elsewhere, we find definitions for various other contexts:



Shabbat 114a




ואמר רבי יוחנן איזהו תלמיד חכם שממנין אותו פרנס על הציבור זה ששואלין אותו דבר הלכה בכל מקום ואומר ואפילו במסכת כלה ואמר רבי יוחנן איזהו תלמיד חכם שבני עירו מצווין לעשות לו מלאכתו זה שמניח חפצו ועוסק בחפצי שמים והני מילי למיטרח בריפתיה ואמר רבי יוחנן איזהו תלמיד חכם כל ששואלין אותו הלכה בכל מקום ואומרה למאי נפקא מינה למנוייה פרנס על הציבור אי בחדא מסכתא באתריה אי בכוליה תנויה בריש מתיבתא



R. Johanan also said: Who is the scholar to whom a lost article is returned on his recognition
thereof? That [scholar] who is particular to turn his shirt.> R. Johanan also said: Who is the
scholar that is appointed a leader of the community? He who when asked a matter of halachah in any
place can answer it, even in the Tractate Kallah. R. Johanan also said: Who is the scholar whose
work it is the duty of his townspeople to perform? He who abandons his own interest and engages
in religious affairs; yet that is only to provide his bread.
R. Johanan also said: Who is a scholar? He who is asked a halachah in any place and can state it,
In respect of what practical matter?-To appoint him a leader of the community: if [he is well versed
only] in one Tractate, [he can be appointed] in his own town; if in the whole [field of] learning, [he
can be appointed] as the head of an academy. (Soncino translation)







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    The Talmud provides several such definitions for various contexts. In the context of conditional marriages we have:



    Kiddushin 49b




    ע"מ שאני תלמיד אין אומרים כשמעון בן עזאי וכשמעון בן זומא אלא כל ששואלין אותו בכ"מ דבר אחד בלימודו ואומרו ואפילו במסכתא דכלה על מנת שאני חכם אין אומרים כחכמי יבנה כר' עקיבא וחביריו אלא כל ששואלים אותו דבר חכמה בכל מקום ואומרה



    ‘On condition that I am a disciple [talmid],’ we do not say, such as
    Simeon b. ‘Azzai and Simeon b. Zoma, but one who when asked a single question on his studies in
    any place can answer it, even in the Tractate Kallah. ‘On condition that I am a Sage,’ we do not
    say, like the Sages of Jabneh or like R. Akiba and his companions, but one who can be asked a
    matter of wisdom in any place and he can answer it. (Soncino translation)




    In another context (according to Tosafot, who qualifies for having their lost objects returned by recognizing the object) we find another standard:



    Chullin 44b




    אמר רב חסדא איזהו תלמיד חכם זה הרואה טרפה לעצמו



    R. Hisda said: Who is a scholar? He who would declare his own animal trefah. (Soncino translation)




    Still elsewhere, we find definitions for various other contexts:



    Shabbat 114a




    ואמר רבי יוחנן איזהו תלמיד חכם שממנין אותו פרנס על הציבור זה ששואלין אותו דבר הלכה בכל מקום ואומר ואפילו במסכת כלה ואמר רבי יוחנן איזהו תלמיד חכם שבני עירו מצווין לעשות לו מלאכתו זה שמניח חפצו ועוסק בחפצי שמים והני מילי למיטרח בריפתיה ואמר רבי יוחנן איזהו תלמיד חכם כל ששואלין אותו הלכה בכל מקום ואומרה למאי נפקא מינה למנוייה פרנס על הציבור אי בחדא מסכתא באתריה אי בכוליה תנויה בריש מתיבתא



    R. Johanan also said: Who is the scholar to whom a lost article is returned on his recognition
    thereof? That [scholar] who is particular to turn his shirt.> R. Johanan also said: Who is the
    scholar that is appointed a leader of the community? He who when asked a matter of halachah in any
    place can answer it, even in the Tractate Kallah. R. Johanan also said: Who is the scholar whose
    work it is the duty of his townspeople to perform? He who abandons his own interest and engages
    in religious affairs; yet that is only to provide his bread.
    R. Johanan also said: Who is a scholar? He who is asked a halachah in any place and can state it,
    In respect of what practical matter?-To appoint him a leader of the community: if [he is well versed
    only] in one Tractate, [he can be appointed] in his own town; if in the whole [field of] learning, [he
    can be appointed] as the head of an academy. (Soncino translation)







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      The Talmud provides several such definitions for various contexts. In the context of conditional marriages we have:



      Kiddushin 49b




      ע"מ שאני תלמיד אין אומרים כשמעון בן עזאי וכשמעון בן זומא אלא כל ששואלין אותו בכ"מ דבר אחד בלימודו ואומרו ואפילו במסכתא דכלה על מנת שאני חכם אין אומרים כחכמי יבנה כר' עקיבא וחביריו אלא כל ששואלים אותו דבר חכמה בכל מקום ואומרה



      ‘On condition that I am a disciple [talmid],’ we do not say, such as
      Simeon b. ‘Azzai and Simeon b. Zoma, but one who when asked a single question on his studies in
      any place can answer it, even in the Tractate Kallah. ‘On condition that I am a Sage,’ we do not
      say, like the Sages of Jabneh or like R. Akiba and his companions, but one who can be asked a
      matter of wisdom in any place and he can answer it. (Soncino translation)




      In another context (according to Tosafot, who qualifies for having their lost objects returned by recognizing the object) we find another standard:



      Chullin 44b




      אמר רב חסדא איזהו תלמיד חכם זה הרואה טרפה לעצמו



      R. Hisda said: Who is a scholar? He who would declare his own animal trefah. (Soncino translation)




      Still elsewhere, we find definitions for various other contexts:



      Shabbat 114a




      ואמר רבי יוחנן איזהו תלמיד חכם שממנין אותו פרנס על הציבור זה ששואלין אותו דבר הלכה בכל מקום ואומר ואפילו במסכת כלה ואמר רבי יוחנן איזהו תלמיד חכם שבני עירו מצווין לעשות לו מלאכתו זה שמניח חפצו ועוסק בחפצי שמים והני מילי למיטרח בריפתיה ואמר רבי יוחנן איזהו תלמיד חכם כל ששואלין אותו הלכה בכל מקום ואומרה למאי נפקא מינה למנוייה פרנס על הציבור אי בחדא מסכתא באתריה אי בכוליה תנויה בריש מתיבתא



      R. Johanan also said: Who is the scholar to whom a lost article is returned on his recognition
      thereof? That [scholar] who is particular to turn his shirt.> R. Johanan also said: Who is the
      scholar that is appointed a leader of the community? He who when asked a matter of halachah in any
      place can answer it, even in the Tractate Kallah. R. Johanan also said: Who is the scholar whose
      work it is the duty of his townspeople to perform? He who abandons his own interest and engages
      in religious affairs; yet that is only to provide his bread.
      R. Johanan also said: Who is a scholar? He who is asked a halachah in any place and can state it,
      In respect of what practical matter?-To appoint him a leader of the community: if [he is well versed
      only] in one Tractate, [he can be appointed] in his own town; if in the whole [field of] learning, [he
      can be appointed] as the head of an academy. (Soncino translation)







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        The Talmud provides several such definitions for various contexts. In the context of conditional marriages we have:



        Kiddushin 49b




        ע"מ שאני תלמיד אין אומרים כשמעון בן עזאי וכשמעון בן זומא אלא כל ששואלין אותו בכ"מ דבר אחד בלימודו ואומרו ואפילו במסכתא דכלה על מנת שאני חכם אין אומרים כחכמי יבנה כר' עקיבא וחביריו אלא כל ששואלים אותו דבר חכמה בכל מקום ואומרה



        ‘On condition that I am a disciple [talmid],’ we do not say, such as
        Simeon b. ‘Azzai and Simeon b. Zoma, but one who when asked a single question on his studies in
        any place can answer it, even in the Tractate Kallah. ‘On condition that I am a Sage,’ we do not
        say, like the Sages of Jabneh or like R. Akiba and his companions, but one who can be asked a
        matter of wisdom in any place and he can answer it. (Soncino translation)




        In another context (according to Tosafot, who qualifies for having their lost objects returned by recognizing the object) we find another standard:



        Chullin 44b




        אמר רב חסדא איזהו תלמיד חכם זה הרואה טרפה לעצמו



        R. Hisda said: Who is a scholar? He who would declare his own animal trefah. (Soncino translation)




        Still elsewhere, we find definitions for various other contexts:



        Shabbat 114a




        ואמר רבי יוחנן איזהו תלמיד חכם שממנין אותו פרנס על הציבור זה ששואלין אותו דבר הלכה בכל מקום ואומר ואפילו במסכת כלה ואמר רבי יוחנן איזהו תלמיד חכם שבני עירו מצווין לעשות לו מלאכתו זה שמניח חפצו ועוסק בחפצי שמים והני מילי למיטרח בריפתיה ואמר רבי יוחנן איזהו תלמיד חכם כל ששואלין אותו הלכה בכל מקום ואומרה למאי נפקא מינה למנוייה פרנס על הציבור אי בחדא מסכתא באתריה אי בכוליה תנויה בריש מתיבתא



        R. Johanan also said: Who is the scholar to whom a lost article is returned on his recognition
        thereof? That [scholar] who is particular to turn his shirt.> R. Johanan also said: Who is the
        scholar that is appointed a leader of the community? He who when asked a matter of halachah in any
        place can answer it, even in the Tractate Kallah. R. Johanan also said: Who is the scholar whose
        work it is the duty of his townspeople to perform? He who abandons his own interest and engages
        in religious affairs; yet that is only to provide his bread.
        R. Johanan also said: Who is a scholar? He who is asked a halachah in any place and can state it,
        In respect of what practical matter?-To appoint him a leader of the community: if [he is well versed
        only] in one Tractate, [he can be appointed] in his own town; if in the whole [field of] learning, [he
        can be appointed] as the head of an academy. (Soncino translation)







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        The Talmud provides several such definitions for various contexts. In the context of conditional marriages we have:



        Kiddushin 49b




        ע"מ שאני תלמיד אין אומרים כשמעון בן עזאי וכשמעון בן זומא אלא כל ששואלין אותו בכ"מ דבר אחד בלימודו ואומרו ואפילו במסכתא דכלה על מנת שאני חכם אין אומרים כחכמי יבנה כר' עקיבא וחביריו אלא כל ששואלים אותו דבר חכמה בכל מקום ואומרה



        ‘On condition that I am a disciple [talmid],’ we do not say, such as
        Simeon b. ‘Azzai and Simeon b. Zoma, but one who when asked a single question on his studies in
        any place can answer it, even in the Tractate Kallah. ‘On condition that I am a Sage,’ we do not
        say, like the Sages of Jabneh or like R. Akiba and his companions, but one who can be asked a
        matter of wisdom in any place and he can answer it. (Soncino translation)




        In another context (according to Tosafot, who qualifies for having their lost objects returned by recognizing the object) we find another standard:



        Chullin 44b




        אמר רב חסדא איזהו תלמיד חכם זה הרואה טרפה לעצמו



        R. Hisda said: Who is a scholar? He who would declare his own animal trefah. (Soncino translation)




        Still elsewhere, we find definitions for various other contexts:



        Shabbat 114a




        ואמר רבי יוחנן איזהו תלמיד חכם שממנין אותו פרנס על הציבור זה ששואלין אותו דבר הלכה בכל מקום ואומר ואפילו במסכת כלה ואמר רבי יוחנן איזהו תלמיד חכם שבני עירו מצווין לעשות לו מלאכתו זה שמניח חפצו ועוסק בחפצי שמים והני מילי למיטרח בריפתיה ואמר רבי יוחנן איזהו תלמיד חכם כל ששואלין אותו הלכה בכל מקום ואומרה למאי נפקא מינה למנוייה פרנס על הציבור אי בחדא מסכתא באתריה אי בכוליה תנויה בריש מתיבתא



        R. Johanan also said: Who is the scholar to whom a lost article is returned on his recognition
        thereof? That [scholar] who is particular to turn his shirt.> R. Johanan also said: Who is the
        scholar that is appointed a leader of the community? He who when asked a matter of halachah in any
        place can answer it, even in the Tractate Kallah. R. Johanan also said: Who is the scholar whose
        work it is the duty of his townspeople to perform? He who abandons his own interest and engages
        in religious affairs; yet that is only to provide his bread.
        R. Johanan also said: Who is a scholar? He who is asked a halachah in any place and can state it,
        In respect of what practical matter?-To appoint him a leader of the community: if [he is well versed
        only] in one Tractate, [he can be appointed] in his own town; if in the whole [field of] learning, [he
        can be appointed] as the head of an academy. (Soncino translation)








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