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I'm now working on a geometry problem I'll have to explain in front of my class this week (I'm in the $10^{th}$ grade). I've found so far some proofs, which might, nevertheless, be a bit complicated for my classmates (since they've barely worked with geometry).



I was wondering hence, whether there might be a "more elementary" proof or an animation (I don't know how to program it) which somehow makes it clearer or at least visual...



The problem is the following




Consider a square $ABCD$ with side $[AB]=a$ and a circumference $omega$ with radius $r$, such that both are "semi inscribed" in each other (the image below might clarify this).



Proof that the following relation holds $$a=frac{8r}{5}$$




enter image description here



My proofs so far are the following




Consider the isosceles triangle $Delta ABE$ inscribed in $omega$.



It suficies to use the Pythagorean theorem and the relation $$R=frac{abc}{4S} $$ in order to prove the statement.




$$$$




An analytic approach might be also helpful (let $A$ be the origin of coordinates). The rest is just a matter of solving equations (quite simple).




As said, any explanations, suggestions and approaches (and of course animations if possible) are welcomed. If you, however, find another approach (such as trigonometry for instance), even if it's more difficult, I would also be glad to receive it, since my teacher told me to find al possible ways to prove it.



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I'm now working on a geometry problem I'll have to explain in front of my class this week (I'm in the $10^{th}$ grade). I've found so far some proofs, which might, nevertheless, be a bit complicated for my classmates (since they've barely worked with geometry).



I was wondering hence, whether there might be a "more elementary" proof or an animation (I don't know how to program it) which somehow makes it clearer or at least visual...



The problem is the following




Consider a square $ABCD$ with side $[AB]=a$ and a circumference $omega$ with radius $r$, such that both are "semi inscribed" in each other (the image below might clarify this).



Proof that the following relation holds $$a=frac{8r}{5}$$




enter image description here



My proofs so far are the following




Consider the isosceles triangle $Delta ABE$ inscribed in $omega$.



It suficies to use the Pythagorean theorem and the relation $$R=frac{abc}{4S} $$ in order to prove the statement.




$$$$




An analytic approach might be also helpful (let $A$ be the origin of coordinates). The rest is just a matter of solving equations (quite simple).




As said, any explanations, suggestions and approaches (and of course animations if possible) are welcomed. If you, however, find another approach (such as trigonometry for instance), even if it's more difficult, I would also be glad to receive it, since my teacher told me to find al possible ways to prove it.



Thanks in advance










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I'm now working on a geometry problem I'll have to explain in front of my class this week (I'm in the $10^{th}$ grade). I've found so far some proofs, which might, nevertheless, be a bit complicated for my classmates (since they've barely worked with geometry).



I was wondering hence, whether there might be a "more elementary" proof or an animation (I don't know how to program it) which somehow makes it clearer or at least visual...



The problem is the following




Consider a square $ABCD$ with side $[AB]=a$ and a circumference $omega$ with radius $r$, such that both are "semi inscribed" in each other (the image below might clarify this).



Proof that the following relation holds $$a=frac{8r}{5}$$




enter image description here



My proofs so far are the following




Consider the isosceles triangle $Delta ABE$ inscribed in $omega$.



It suficies to use the Pythagorean theorem and the relation $$R=frac{abc}{4S} $$ in order to prove the statement.




$$$$




An analytic approach might be also helpful (let $A$ be the origin of coordinates). The rest is just a matter of solving equations (quite simple).




As said, any explanations, suggestions and approaches (and of course animations if possible) are welcomed. If you, however, find another approach (such as trigonometry for instance), even if it's more difficult, I would also be glad to receive it, since my teacher told me to find al possible ways to prove it.



Thanks in advance










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I'm now working on a geometry problem I'll have to explain in front of my class this week (I'm in the $10^{th}$ grade). I've found so far some proofs, which might, nevertheless, be a bit complicated for my classmates (since they've barely worked with geometry).



I was wondering hence, whether there might be a "more elementary" proof or an animation (I don't know how to program it) which somehow makes it clearer or at least visual...



The problem is the following




Consider a square $ABCD$ with side $[AB]=a$ and a circumference $omega$ with radius $r$, such that both are "semi inscribed" in each other (the image below might clarify this).



Proof that the following relation holds $$a=frac{8r}{5}$$




enter image description here



My proofs so far are the following




Consider the isosceles triangle $Delta ABE$ inscribed in $omega$.



It suficies to use the Pythagorean theorem and the relation $$R=frac{abc}{4S} $$ in order to prove the statement.




$$$$




An analytic approach might be also helpful (let $A$ be the origin of coordinates). The rest is just a matter of solving equations (quite simple).




As said, any explanations, suggestions and approaches (and of course animations if possible) are welcomed. If you, however, find another approach (such as trigonometry for instance), even if it's more difficult, I would also be glad to receive it, since my teacher told me to find al possible ways to prove it.



Thanks in advance







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    see math.stackexchange.com/questions/1188845/… (possible duplicate?)
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    see math.stackexchange.com/questions/1188845/… (possible duplicate?)
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see math.stackexchange.com/questions/1188845/… (possible duplicate?)
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I find the following quite instructive:



Obviously
begin{align}
a&=r+y \
&=r+sqrt{r^2 - left(frac{a}{2}right)^2}
end{align}

and solving gives $$frac{r}{a} = frac{5}{8} , .$$



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    Let $I$ be the midpoint of $[AB]$. Use the Pythagorean theorem in triangle $AIM$: $$r^2=dfrac{a^2}{4}+(a-r)^2$$
    to deduce $a=8r/5$.






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    • It might be nice to clarify where you got $a-r$ from.
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      @Servaes Obviously $IM+ME=a$, but $ME=r$. Also $I$, $M$ and $E$ are aligned.
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    Let P be the middle of AB, then AE=$sqrt{5}/2$ from triangle AEP. Let Q be the middle of AE, then EQ=$sqrt{5}/4$, and from similarity of triangles AEP and MEQ you get the answer.






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      I find the following quite instructive:



      Obviously
      begin{align}
      a&=r+y \
      &=r+sqrt{r^2 - left(frac{a}{2}right)^2}
      end{align}

      and solving gives $$frac{r}{a} = frac{5}{8} , .$$



      circle in square and vice versa






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        I find the following quite instructive:



        Obviously
        begin{align}
        a&=r+y \
        &=r+sqrt{r^2 - left(frac{a}{2}right)^2}
        end{align}

        and solving gives $$frac{r}{a} = frac{5}{8} , .$$



        circle in square and vice versa






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          I find the following quite instructive:



          Obviously
          begin{align}
          a&=r+y \
          &=r+sqrt{r^2 - left(frac{a}{2}right)^2}
          end{align}

          and solving gives $$frac{r}{a} = frac{5}{8} , .$$



          circle in square and vice versa






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          I find the following quite instructive:



          Obviously
          begin{align}
          a&=r+y \
          &=r+sqrt{r^2 - left(frac{a}{2}right)^2}
          end{align}

          and solving gives $$frac{r}{a} = frac{5}{8} , .$$



          circle in square and vice versa







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              Let $I$ be the midpoint of $[AB]$. Use the Pythagorean theorem in triangle $AIM$: $$r^2=dfrac{a^2}{4}+(a-r)^2$$
              to deduce $a=8r/5$.






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              • It might be nice to clarify where you got $a-r$ from.
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                @Servaes Obviously $IM+ME=a$, but $ME=r$. Also $I$, $M$ and $E$ are aligned.
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              Let $I$ be the midpoint of $[AB]$. Use the Pythagorean theorem in triangle $AIM$: $$r^2=dfrac{a^2}{4}+(a-r)^2$$
              to deduce $a=8r/5$.






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              • It might be nice to clarify where you got $a-r$ from.
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                @Servaes Obviously $IM+ME=a$, but $ME=r$. Also $I$, $M$ and $E$ are aligned.
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              Let $I$ be the midpoint of $[AB]$. Use the Pythagorean theorem in triangle $AIM$: $$r^2=dfrac{a^2}{4}+(a-r)^2$$
              to deduce $a=8r/5$.






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              Let $I$ be the midpoint of $[AB]$. Use the Pythagorean theorem in triangle $AIM$: $$r^2=dfrac{a^2}{4}+(a-r)^2$$
              to deduce $a=8r/5$.







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              • It might be nice to clarify where you got $a-r$ from.
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                @Servaes Obviously $IM+ME=a$, but $ME=r$. Also $I$, $M$ and $E$ are aligned.
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              • It might be nice to clarify where you got $a-r$ from.
                – Servaes
                Dec 2 at 20:31






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                @Servaes Obviously $IM+ME=a$, but $ME=r$. Also $I$, $M$ and $E$ are aligned.
                – egreg
                Dec 2 at 23:46


















              It might be nice to clarify where you got $a-r$ from.
              – Servaes
              Dec 2 at 20:31




              It might be nice to clarify where you got $a-r$ from.
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              @Servaes Obviously $IM+ME=a$, but $ME=r$. Also $I$, $M$ and $E$ are aligned.
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              @Servaes Obviously $IM+ME=a$, but $ME=r$. Also $I$, $M$ and $E$ are aligned.
              – egreg
              Dec 2 at 23:46












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              Let P be the middle of AB, then AE=$sqrt{5}/2$ from triangle AEP. Let Q be the middle of AE, then EQ=$sqrt{5}/4$, and from similarity of triangles AEP and MEQ you get the answer.






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                Let P be the middle of AB, then AE=$sqrt{5}/2$ from triangle AEP. Let Q be the middle of AE, then EQ=$sqrt{5}/4$, and from similarity of triangles AEP and MEQ you get the answer.






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                  Let P be the middle of AB, then AE=$sqrt{5}/2$ from triangle AEP. Let Q be the middle of AE, then EQ=$sqrt{5}/4$, and from similarity of triangles AEP and MEQ you get the answer.






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                  Let P be the middle of AB, then AE=$sqrt{5}/2$ from triangle AEP. Let Q be the middle of AE, then EQ=$sqrt{5}/4$, and from similarity of triangles AEP and MEQ you get the answer.







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