NTP - ntpq -c peers showing incorrect stratum for peers












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I am running Ubuntu 14.04 as an Amazon Web Services instance.
When I run ntpq -c peers on my server I get the following output:



# ntpq -c peers
remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter
==============================================================================
time-a.nist.gov .INIT. 16 u - 1024 0 0.000 0.000 0.000
time-b.nist.gov .INIT. 16 u - 1024 0 0.000 0.000 0.000


I read this to state that the 2 servers in the response are stratum 16 servers which I know to be incorrect (the nist.gov servers are stratum 1). I know there is a connection to the NIST servers because ntpdate -d time-a.nist.gov connects and shows offset fine.



What causes the stratum to be displayed incorrectly, and what can I do to make sure the command shows the correct stratum?



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    I am running Ubuntu 14.04 as an Amazon Web Services instance.
    When I run ntpq -c peers on my server I get the following output:



    # ntpq -c peers
    remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter
    ==============================================================================
    time-a.nist.gov .INIT. 16 u - 1024 0 0.000 0.000 0.000
    time-b.nist.gov .INIT. 16 u - 1024 0 0.000 0.000 0.000


    I read this to state that the 2 servers in the response are stratum 16 servers which I know to be incorrect (the nist.gov servers are stratum 1). I know there is a connection to the NIST servers because ntpdate -d time-a.nist.gov connects and shows offset fine.



    What causes the stratum to be displayed incorrectly, and what can I do to make sure the command shows the correct stratum?



    Thanks










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      I am running Ubuntu 14.04 as an Amazon Web Services instance.
      When I run ntpq -c peers on my server I get the following output:



      # ntpq -c peers
      remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter
      ==============================================================================
      time-a.nist.gov .INIT. 16 u - 1024 0 0.000 0.000 0.000
      time-b.nist.gov .INIT. 16 u - 1024 0 0.000 0.000 0.000


      I read this to state that the 2 servers in the response are stratum 16 servers which I know to be incorrect (the nist.gov servers are stratum 1). I know there is a connection to the NIST servers because ntpdate -d time-a.nist.gov connects and shows offset fine.



      What causes the stratum to be displayed incorrectly, and what can I do to make sure the command shows the correct stratum?



      Thanks










      share|improve this question
















      I am running Ubuntu 14.04 as an Amazon Web Services instance.
      When I run ntpq -c peers on my server I get the following output:



      # ntpq -c peers
      remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter
      ==============================================================================
      time-a.nist.gov .INIT. 16 u - 1024 0 0.000 0.000 0.000
      time-b.nist.gov .INIT. 16 u - 1024 0 0.000 0.000 0.000


      I read this to state that the 2 servers in the response are stratum 16 servers which I know to be incorrect (the nist.gov servers are stratum 1). I know there is a connection to the NIST servers because ntpdate -d time-a.nist.gov connects and shows offset fine.



      What causes the stratum to be displayed incorrectly, and what can I do to make sure the command shows the correct stratum?



      Thanks







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          refid .INIT. and stratum 16 indicates that you are not getting any responses from those servers. Check your firewall(s).






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          • If ntpq is not getting through the firewall then why does ntpdate -d time.nist.gov give me information?

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          As already noted stratum 16 servers are unreachable. Therefore, they have no usable time information. As soon as you successfully connect to a server is stratum will be reported. It takes several time exchanges before ntp will consider using time from the server.



          ntpdate -d uses a non-privileged outgoing port, while ntp will use port 123 as source and destination. It is possible to block either with firewall rules. If you don't allow established connections before you block incoming traffic to port 123, ntp will fail.



          It is common to have a cstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED firewall rule at the top of a chain which accepts traffic. This simplifies the rule set as return traffic does not have be dealt with specific rules.






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            refid .INIT. and stratum 16 indicates that you are not getting any responses from those servers. Check your firewall(s).






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            • If ntpq is not getting through the firewall then why does ntpdate -d time.nist.gov give me information?

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            refid .INIT. and stratum 16 indicates that you are not getting any responses from those servers. Check your firewall(s).






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            • If ntpq is not getting through the firewall then why does ntpdate -d time.nist.gov give me information?

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            refid .INIT. and stratum 16 indicates that you are not getting any responses from those servers. Check your firewall(s).






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            refid .INIT. and stratum 16 indicates that you are not getting any responses from those servers. Check your firewall(s).







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            • If ntpq is not getting through the firewall then why does ntpdate -d time.nist.gov give me information?

              – JohnK
              May 26 '15 at 19:50



















            • If ntpq is not getting through the firewall then why does ntpdate -d time.nist.gov give me information?

              – JohnK
              May 26 '15 at 19:50

















            If ntpq is not getting through the firewall then why does ntpdate -d time.nist.gov give me information?

            – JohnK
            May 26 '15 at 19:50





            If ntpq is not getting through the firewall then why does ntpdate -d time.nist.gov give me information?

            – JohnK
            May 26 '15 at 19:50













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            As already noted stratum 16 servers are unreachable. Therefore, they have no usable time information. As soon as you successfully connect to a server is stratum will be reported. It takes several time exchanges before ntp will consider using time from the server.



            ntpdate -d uses a non-privileged outgoing port, while ntp will use port 123 as source and destination. It is possible to block either with firewall rules. If you don't allow established connections before you block incoming traffic to port 123, ntp will fail.



            It is common to have a cstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED firewall rule at the top of a chain which accepts traffic. This simplifies the rule set as return traffic does not have be dealt with specific rules.






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              As already noted stratum 16 servers are unreachable. Therefore, they have no usable time information. As soon as you successfully connect to a server is stratum will be reported. It takes several time exchanges before ntp will consider using time from the server.



              ntpdate -d uses a non-privileged outgoing port, while ntp will use port 123 as source and destination. It is possible to block either with firewall rules. If you don't allow established connections before you block incoming traffic to port 123, ntp will fail.



              It is common to have a cstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED firewall rule at the top of a chain which accepts traffic. This simplifies the rule set as return traffic does not have be dealt with specific rules.






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                As already noted stratum 16 servers are unreachable. Therefore, they have no usable time information. As soon as you successfully connect to a server is stratum will be reported. It takes several time exchanges before ntp will consider using time from the server.



                ntpdate -d uses a non-privileged outgoing port, while ntp will use port 123 as source and destination. It is possible to block either with firewall rules. If you don't allow established connections before you block incoming traffic to port 123, ntp will fail.



                It is common to have a cstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED firewall rule at the top of a chain which accepts traffic. This simplifies the rule set as return traffic does not have be dealt with specific rules.






                share|improve this answer















                As already noted stratum 16 servers are unreachable. Therefore, they have no usable time information. As soon as you successfully connect to a server is stratum will be reported. It takes several time exchanges before ntp will consider using time from the server.



                ntpdate -d uses a non-privileged outgoing port, while ntp will use port 123 as source and destination. It is possible to block either with firewall rules. If you don't allow established connections before you block incoming traffic to port 123, ntp will fail.



                It is common to have a cstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED firewall rule at the top of a chain which accepts traffic. This simplifies the rule set as return traffic does not have be dealt with specific rules.







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