Is there a difference between cmd_drain < <(cmd_src) and cmd_drain <<< “$(cmd_src)”?












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The cmd | read -r var1 var2 construct famously does not work in bash because the read command is executed in a subshell due to piping. I used to use read -r var1 var2 <<< "$(cmd)" to get around this, but recently I learned about the cmd_drain < <(cmd_src) construct, which seems to work just as well: read -r var1 var2 < <$(cmd).



Is there a difference between these two solutions? There does not seem to be any difference in the trivial case:



$ hd < <(echo Hello)
00000000 48 65 6c 6c 6f 0a |Hello.|
00000006
$ hd <<< $(echo Hello)
00000000 48 65 6c 6c 6f 0a |Hello.|
00000006


I also tried some special characters and got the same results. My gut feeling is that the result will always be the same expect that cmd_drain <<< "$(cmd_src)" will first run cmd_src and buffer the whole result in memory before feeding it to cmd_drain, while cmd_drain < <(cmd_src) will continously feed the output of cmd_src into cmd_drain. I assume it behaves like cmd_src | cmd_drain except that cmd_src will be run in a sub-shell instead of cmd_drain. Is my assumption correct?



Bonus question: Is quoting necessary around the $() construct?










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    The cmd | read -r var1 var2 construct famously does not work in bash because the read command is executed in a subshell due to piping. I used to use read -r var1 var2 <<< "$(cmd)" to get around this, but recently I learned about the cmd_drain < <(cmd_src) construct, which seems to work just as well: read -r var1 var2 < <$(cmd).



    Is there a difference between these two solutions? There does not seem to be any difference in the trivial case:



    $ hd < <(echo Hello)
    00000000 48 65 6c 6c 6f 0a |Hello.|
    00000006
    $ hd <<< $(echo Hello)
    00000000 48 65 6c 6c 6f 0a |Hello.|
    00000006


    I also tried some special characters and got the same results. My gut feeling is that the result will always be the same expect that cmd_drain <<< "$(cmd_src)" will first run cmd_src and buffer the whole result in memory before feeding it to cmd_drain, while cmd_drain < <(cmd_src) will continously feed the output of cmd_src into cmd_drain. I assume it behaves like cmd_src | cmd_drain except that cmd_src will be run in a sub-shell instead of cmd_drain. Is my assumption correct?



    Bonus question: Is quoting necessary around the $() construct?










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      The cmd | read -r var1 var2 construct famously does not work in bash because the read command is executed in a subshell due to piping. I used to use read -r var1 var2 <<< "$(cmd)" to get around this, but recently I learned about the cmd_drain < <(cmd_src) construct, which seems to work just as well: read -r var1 var2 < <$(cmd).



      Is there a difference between these two solutions? There does not seem to be any difference in the trivial case:



      $ hd < <(echo Hello)
      00000000 48 65 6c 6c 6f 0a |Hello.|
      00000006
      $ hd <<< $(echo Hello)
      00000000 48 65 6c 6c 6f 0a |Hello.|
      00000006


      I also tried some special characters and got the same results. My gut feeling is that the result will always be the same expect that cmd_drain <<< "$(cmd_src)" will first run cmd_src and buffer the whole result in memory before feeding it to cmd_drain, while cmd_drain < <(cmd_src) will continously feed the output of cmd_src into cmd_drain. I assume it behaves like cmd_src | cmd_drain except that cmd_src will be run in a sub-shell instead of cmd_drain. Is my assumption correct?



      Bonus question: Is quoting necessary around the $() construct?










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      The cmd | read -r var1 var2 construct famously does not work in bash because the read command is executed in a subshell due to piping. I used to use read -r var1 var2 <<< "$(cmd)" to get around this, but recently I learned about the cmd_drain < <(cmd_src) construct, which seems to work just as well: read -r var1 var2 < <$(cmd).



      Is there a difference between these two solutions? There does not seem to be any difference in the trivial case:



      $ hd < <(echo Hello)
      00000000 48 65 6c 6c 6f 0a |Hello.|
      00000006
      $ hd <<< $(echo Hello)
      00000000 48 65 6c 6c 6f 0a |Hello.|
      00000006


      I also tried some special characters and got the same results. My gut feeling is that the result will always be the same expect that cmd_drain <<< "$(cmd_src)" will first run cmd_src and buffer the whole result in memory before feeding it to cmd_drain, while cmd_drain < <(cmd_src) will continously feed the output of cmd_src into cmd_drain. I assume it behaves like cmd_src | cmd_drain except that cmd_src will be run in a sub-shell instead of cmd_drain. Is my assumption correct?



      Bonus question: Is quoting necessary around the $() construct?







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          Yes, your assumption is correct. In cmd_drain < <(cmd_src) (aka Process Substitution, combined with normal redirection), Bash will replace <(cmd_src) with the path to a file, from which the output of cmd_src can be read. From the docs:




          The process list is run asynchronously, and its input or output
          appears as a filename. This filename is passed as an argument to the
          current command as the result of the expansion. If the >(list) form
          is used, writing to the file will provide input for list. If the
          <(list) form is used, the file passed as an argument should be read
          to obtain the output of list.




          In cmd_drain <<< "$(cmd_src)", <<< ... is treated like any other here-string, so:




          The word undergoes tilde expansion, parameter and variable expansion,
          command substitution, arithmetic expansion, and quote removal.
          Pathname expansion and word splitting are not performed. The result is
          supplied as a single string, with a newline appended, to the command
          on its standard input [...]




          So you don't need to quote $() there, but specifically because the here string <<< syntax doesn't do word splitting or filename expansion. Usually, you'd have to.





          Note again the last sentence of the here string documentation - a newline is appended:



          bash-5.0$ od -c <<< $(printf %s foo)
          0000000 f o o n
          0000004
          bash-5.0$ od -c < <(printf %s foo)
          0000000 f o o
          0000003


          Whether or not that matters is up to what you're running.



          In hd <<< $(echo Hello), the command substitution removes the trailing newline output by echo, and the here string adds a newline, effectively giving you the same output. But, as the above example shows, this removal/addition of newlines can be tricky, and you need not get exactly what cmd_src output.






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          • Great answer, thanks!

            – Zoltan
            19 hours ago






          • 4





            The implementation is substantively different in ways I don't see this answer currently addressing -- with <<<"$(...)", the content is collected as a whole written to a seekable temporary file (only available for use after completely finished generation); with < <(...), it's streamed over a FIFO (so content becomes available as it's generated, rather than needing the writing process to finish before the reading process can start) and never touches disk.

            – Charles Duffy
            16 hours ago








          • 2





            @CharlesDuffy this difference was already mentioned in my question as an assumption - although the here-string creating a temporary file was not. In fact, I mistakenly assumed that the here-string will be buffered in memory, not on disk.

            – Zoltan
            14 hours ago











          • @CharlesDuffy Thanks for the info, but is that documented behaviour? The undocumented side-effects of the particular implementation may change without notice, and for all I know, bash may use different implementations for different OS as well.

            – Olorin
            6 hours ago






          • 1





            @Olorin, undocumented, implementation-defined, and subject-to-change, indeed. (That said, on systems using tmpfs the temporary-file approach typically microbenchmarks faster than a process substitution generating the same output due to the avoided fork(), and there aren't any portable means I'm aware of to create a seekable file that isn't represented in the filesystem layer, so I'd be surprised to see much change any time soon; the approaches each have unique advantages provided by their present implementations).

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          Yes, your assumption is correct. In cmd_drain < <(cmd_src) (aka Process Substitution, combined with normal redirection), Bash will replace <(cmd_src) with the path to a file, from which the output of cmd_src can be read. From the docs:




          The process list is run asynchronously, and its input or output
          appears as a filename. This filename is passed as an argument to the
          current command as the result of the expansion. If the >(list) form
          is used, writing to the file will provide input for list. If the
          <(list) form is used, the file passed as an argument should be read
          to obtain the output of list.




          In cmd_drain <<< "$(cmd_src)", <<< ... is treated like any other here-string, so:




          The word undergoes tilde expansion, parameter and variable expansion,
          command substitution, arithmetic expansion, and quote removal.
          Pathname expansion and word splitting are not performed. The result is
          supplied as a single string, with a newline appended, to the command
          on its standard input [...]




          So you don't need to quote $() there, but specifically because the here string <<< syntax doesn't do word splitting or filename expansion. Usually, you'd have to.





          Note again the last sentence of the here string documentation - a newline is appended:



          bash-5.0$ od -c <<< $(printf %s foo)
          0000000 f o o n
          0000004
          bash-5.0$ od -c < <(printf %s foo)
          0000000 f o o
          0000003


          Whether or not that matters is up to what you're running.



          In hd <<< $(echo Hello), the command substitution removes the trailing newline output by echo, and the here string adds a newline, effectively giving you the same output. But, as the above example shows, this removal/addition of newlines can be tricky, and you need not get exactly what cmd_src output.






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          • Great answer, thanks!

            – Zoltan
            19 hours ago






          • 4





            The implementation is substantively different in ways I don't see this answer currently addressing -- with <<<"$(...)", the content is collected as a whole written to a seekable temporary file (only available for use after completely finished generation); with < <(...), it's streamed over a FIFO (so content becomes available as it's generated, rather than needing the writing process to finish before the reading process can start) and never touches disk.

            – Charles Duffy
            16 hours ago








          • 2





            @CharlesDuffy this difference was already mentioned in my question as an assumption - although the here-string creating a temporary file was not. In fact, I mistakenly assumed that the here-string will be buffered in memory, not on disk.

            – Zoltan
            14 hours ago











          • @CharlesDuffy Thanks for the info, but is that documented behaviour? The undocumented side-effects of the particular implementation may change without notice, and for all I know, bash may use different implementations for different OS as well.

            – Olorin
            6 hours ago






          • 1





            @Olorin, undocumented, implementation-defined, and subject-to-change, indeed. (That said, on systems using tmpfs the temporary-file approach typically microbenchmarks faster than a process substitution generating the same output due to the avoided fork(), and there aren't any portable means I'm aware of to create a seekable file that isn't represented in the filesystem layer, so I'd be surprised to see much change any time soon; the approaches each have unique advantages provided by their present implementations).

            – Charles Duffy
            6 hours ago


















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          Yes, your assumption is correct. In cmd_drain < <(cmd_src) (aka Process Substitution, combined with normal redirection), Bash will replace <(cmd_src) with the path to a file, from which the output of cmd_src can be read. From the docs:




          The process list is run asynchronously, and its input or output
          appears as a filename. This filename is passed as an argument to the
          current command as the result of the expansion. If the >(list) form
          is used, writing to the file will provide input for list. If the
          <(list) form is used, the file passed as an argument should be read
          to obtain the output of list.




          In cmd_drain <<< "$(cmd_src)", <<< ... is treated like any other here-string, so:




          The word undergoes tilde expansion, parameter and variable expansion,
          command substitution, arithmetic expansion, and quote removal.
          Pathname expansion and word splitting are not performed. The result is
          supplied as a single string, with a newline appended, to the command
          on its standard input [...]




          So you don't need to quote $() there, but specifically because the here string <<< syntax doesn't do word splitting or filename expansion. Usually, you'd have to.





          Note again the last sentence of the here string documentation - a newline is appended:



          bash-5.0$ od -c <<< $(printf %s foo)
          0000000 f o o n
          0000004
          bash-5.0$ od -c < <(printf %s foo)
          0000000 f o o
          0000003


          Whether or not that matters is up to what you're running.



          In hd <<< $(echo Hello), the command substitution removes the trailing newline output by echo, and the here string adds a newline, effectively giving you the same output. But, as the above example shows, this removal/addition of newlines can be tricky, and you need not get exactly what cmd_src output.






          share|improve this answer


























          • Great answer, thanks!

            – Zoltan
            19 hours ago






          • 4





            The implementation is substantively different in ways I don't see this answer currently addressing -- with <<<"$(...)", the content is collected as a whole written to a seekable temporary file (only available for use after completely finished generation); with < <(...), it's streamed over a FIFO (so content becomes available as it's generated, rather than needing the writing process to finish before the reading process can start) and never touches disk.

            – Charles Duffy
            16 hours ago








          • 2





            @CharlesDuffy this difference was already mentioned in my question as an assumption - although the here-string creating a temporary file was not. In fact, I mistakenly assumed that the here-string will be buffered in memory, not on disk.

            – Zoltan
            14 hours ago











          • @CharlesDuffy Thanks for the info, but is that documented behaviour? The undocumented side-effects of the particular implementation may change without notice, and for all I know, bash may use different implementations for different OS as well.

            – Olorin
            6 hours ago






          • 1





            @Olorin, undocumented, implementation-defined, and subject-to-change, indeed. (That said, on systems using tmpfs the temporary-file approach typically microbenchmarks faster than a process substitution generating the same output due to the avoided fork(), and there aren't any portable means I'm aware of to create a seekable file that isn't represented in the filesystem layer, so I'd be surprised to see much change any time soon; the approaches each have unique advantages provided by their present implementations).

            – Charles Duffy
            6 hours ago
















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          Yes, your assumption is correct. In cmd_drain < <(cmd_src) (aka Process Substitution, combined with normal redirection), Bash will replace <(cmd_src) with the path to a file, from which the output of cmd_src can be read. From the docs:




          The process list is run asynchronously, and its input or output
          appears as a filename. This filename is passed as an argument to the
          current command as the result of the expansion. If the >(list) form
          is used, writing to the file will provide input for list. If the
          <(list) form is used, the file passed as an argument should be read
          to obtain the output of list.




          In cmd_drain <<< "$(cmd_src)", <<< ... is treated like any other here-string, so:




          The word undergoes tilde expansion, parameter and variable expansion,
          command substitution, arithmetic expansion, and quote removal.
          Pathname expansion and word splitting are not performed. The result is
          supplied as a single string, with a newline appended, to the command
          on its standard input [...]




          So you don't need to quote $() there, but specifically because the here string <<< syntax doesn't do word splitting or filename expansion. Usually, you'd have to.





          Note again the last sentence of the here string documentation - a newline is appended:



          bash-5.0$ od -c <<< $(printf %s foo)
          0000000 f o o n
          0000004
          bash-5.0$ od -c < <(printf %s foo)
          0000000 f o o
          0000003


          Whether or not that matters is up to what you're running.



          In hd <<< $(echo Hello), the command substitution removes the trailing newline output by echo, and the here string adds a newline, effectively giving you the same output. But, as the above example shows, this removal/addition of newlines can be tricky, and you need not get exactly what cmd_src output.






          share|improve this answer















          Yes, your assumption is correct. In cmd_drain < <(cmd_src) (aka Process Substitution, combined with normal redirection), Bash will replace <(cmd_src) with the path to a file, from which the output of cmd_src can be read. From the docs:




          The process list is run asynchronously, and its input or output
          appears as a filename. This filename is passed as an argument to the
          current command as the result of the expansion. If the >(list) form
          is used, writing to the file will provide input for list. If the
          <(list) form is used, the file passed as an argument should be read
          to obtain the output of list.




          In cmd_drain <<< "$(cmd_src)", <<< ... is treated like any other here-string, so:




          The word undergoes tilde expansion, parameter and variable expansion,
          command substitution, arithmetic expansion, and quote removal.
          Pathname expansion and word splitting are not performed. The result is
          supplied as a single string, with a newline appended, to the command
          on its standard input [...]




          So you don't need to quote $() there, but specifically because the here string <<< syntax doesn't do word splitting or filename expansion. Usually, you'd have to.





          Note again the last sentence of the here string documentation - a newline is appended:



          bash-5.0$ od -c <<< $(printf %s foo)
          0000000 f o o n
          0000004
          bash-5.0$ od -c < <(printf %s foo)
          0000000 f o o
          0000003


          Whether or not that matters is up to what you're running.



          In hd <<< $(echo Hello), the command substitution removes the trailing newline output by echo, and the here string adds a newline, effectively giving you the same output. But, as the above example shows, this removal/addition of newlines can be tricky, and you need not get exactly what cmd_src output.







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          • Great answer, thanks!

            – Zoltan
            19 hours ago






          • 4





            The implementation is substantively different in ways I don't see this answer currently addressing -- with <<<"$(...)", the content is collected as a whole written to a seekable temporary file (only available for use after completely finished generation); with < <(...), it's streamed over a FIFO (so content becomes available as it's generated, rather than needing the writing process to finish before the reading process can start) and never touches disk.

            – Charles Duffy
            16 hours ago








          • 2





            @CharlesDuffy this difference was already mentioned in my question as an assumption - although the here-string creating a temporary file was not. In fact, I mistakenly assumed that the here-string will be buffered in memory, not on disk.

            – Zoltan
            14 hours ago











          • @CharlesDuffy Thanks for the info, but is that documented behaviour? The undocumented side-effects of the particular implementation may change without notice, and for all I know, bash may use different implementations for different OS as well.

            – Olorin
            6 hours ago






          • 1





            @Olorin, undocumented, implementation-defined, and subject-to-change, indeed. (That said, on systems using tmpfs the temporary-file approach typically microbenchmarks faster than a process substitution generating the same output due to the avoided fork(), and there aren't any portable means I'm aware of to create a seekable file that isn't represented in the filesystem layer, so I'd be surprised to see much change any time soon; the approaches each have unique advantages provided by their present implementations).

            – Charles Duffy
            6 hours ago





















          • Great answer, thanks!

            – Zoltan
            19 hours ago






          • 4





            The implementation is substantively different in ways I don't see this answer currently addressing -- with <<<"$(...)", the content is collected as a whole written to a seekable temporary file (only available for use after completely finished generation); with < <(...), it's streamed over a FIFO (so content becomes available as it's generated, rather than needing the writing process to finish before the reading process can start) and never touches disk.

            – Charles Duffy
            16 hours ago








          • 2





            @CharlesDuffy this difference was already mentioned in my question as an assumption - although the here-string creating a temporary file was not. In fact, I mistakenly assumed that the here-string will be buffered in memory, not on disk.

            – Zoltan
            14 hours ago











          • @CharlesDuffy Thanks for the info, but is that documented behaviour? The undocumented side-effects of the particular implementation may change without notice, and for all I know, bash may use different implementations for different OS as well.

            – Olorin
            6 hours ago






          • 1





            @Olorin, undocumented, implementation-defined, and subject-to-change, indeed. (That said, on systems using tmpfs the temporary-file approach typically microbenchmarks faster than a process substitution generating the same output due to the avoided fork(), and there aren't any portable means I'm aware of to create a seekable file that isn't represented in the filesystem layer, so I'd be surprised to see much change any time soon; the approaches each have unique advantages provided by their present implementations).

            – Charles Duffy
            6 hours ago



















          Great answer, thanks!

          – Zoltan
          19 hours ago





          Great answer, thanks!

          – Zoltan
          19 hours ago




          4




          4





          The implementation is substantively different in ways I don't see this answer currently addressing -- with <<<"$(...)", the content is collected as a whole written to a seekable temporary file (only available for use after completely finished generation); with < <(...), it's streamed over a FIFO (so content becomes available as it's generated, rather than needing the writing process to finish before the reading process can start) and never touches disk.

          – Charles Duffy
          16 hours ago







          The implementation is substantively different in ways I don't see this answer currently addressing -- with <<<"$(...)", the content is collected as a whole written to a seekable temporary file (only available for use after completely finished generation); with < <(...), it's streamed over a FIFO (so content becomes available as it's generated, rather than needing the writing process to finish before the reading process can start) and never touches disk.

          – Charles Duffy
          16 hours ago






          2




          2





          @CharlesDuffy this difference was already mentioned in my question as an assumption - although the here-string creating a temporary file was not. In fact, I mistakenly assumed that the here-string will be buffered in memory, not on disk.

          – Zoltan
          14 hours ago





          @CharlesDuffy this difference was already mentioned in my question as an assumption - although the here-string creating a temporary file was not. In fact, I mistakenly assumed that the here-string will be buffered in memory, not on disk.

          – Zoltan
          14 hours ago













          @CharlesDuffy Thanks for the info, but is that documented behaviour? The undocumented side-effects of the particular implementation may change without notice, and for all I know, bash may use different implementations for different OS as well.

          – Olorin
          6 hours ago





          @CharlesDuffy Thanks for the info, but is that documented behaviour? The undocumented side-effects of the particular implementation may change without notice, and for all I know, bash may use different implementations for different OS as well.

          – Olorin
          6 hours ago




          1




          1





          @Olorin, undocumented, implementation-defined, and subject-to-change, indeed. (That said, on systems using tmpfs the temporary-file approach typically microbenchmarks faster than a process substitution generating the same output due to the avoided fork(), and there aren't any portable means I'm aware of to create a seekable file that isn't represented in the filesystem layer, so I'd be surprised to see much change any time soon; the approaches each have unique advantages provided by their present implementations).

          – Charles Duffy
          6 hours ago







          @Olorin, undocumented, implementation-defined, and subject-to-change, indeed. (That said, on systems using tmpfs the temporary-file approach typically microbenchmarks faster than a process substitution generating the same output due to the avoided fork(), and there aren't any portable means I'm aware of to create a seekable file that isn't represented in the filesystem layer, so I'd be surprised to see much change any time soon; the approaches each have unique advantages provided by their present implementations).

          – Charles Duffy
          6 hours ago




















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