exponential equation has non positive roots












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Find real values of $a$ for which the equation



$4^x-(a-3)cdot 2^x+(a+4)=0$
has non positive roots




Try: Let $2^x=yin (0,1].$ Then equation convert into



$y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$



For real roots its discriminant $geq 0$



So $$(a-3)^2-4(a+4)geq 0$$



$$a^2-10a-7geq 0$$



$$ain bigg(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}bigg]cup bigg[5+4sqrt{2},inftybigg).$$



but answer is different from that , i did not know where i



am missing. could some help me to solve it. thanks










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  • Maybe include the answer you are exspecting instead of only stating "but answer is different form" hence right now we do not no either where you made your mistake.
    – mrtaurho
    Dec 21 at 15:20








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    So you have real roots for $y$. But are they non-positive?
    – Andrei
    Dec 21 at 15:22






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    Does the discriminant $ge 0$ ensures $yin(0,1]$?
    – A.Γ.
    Dec 21 at 15:23










  • @ A.Γ. how can i calculate it. please explain me. thanks
    – D Tiwari
    Dec 21 at 15:24
















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Find real values of $a$ for which the equation



$4^x-(a-3)cdot 2^x+(a+4)=0$
has non positive roots




Try: Let $2^x=yin (0,1].$ Then equation convert into



$y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$



For real roots its discriminant $geq 0$



So $$(a-3)^2-4(a+4)geq 0$$



$$a^2-10a-7geq 0$$



$$ain bigg(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}bigg]cup bigg[5+4sqrt{2},inftybigg).$$



but answer is different from that , i did not know where i



am missing. could some help me to solve it. thanks










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  • Maybe include the answer you are exspecting instead of only stating "but answer is different form" hence right now we do not no either where you made your mistake.
    – mrtaurho
    Dec 21 at 15:20








  • 1




    So you have real roots for $y$. But are they non-positive?
    – Andrei
    Dec 21 at 15:22






  • 2




    Does the discriminant $ge 0$ ensures $yin(0,1]$?
    – A.Γ.
    Dec 21 at 15:23










  • @ A.Γ. how can i calculate it. please explain me. thanks
    – D Tiwari
    Dec 21 at 15:24














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Find real values of $a$ for which the equation



$4^x-(a-3)cdot 2^x+(a+4)=0$
has non positive roots




Try: Let $2^x=yin (0,1].$ Then equation convert into



$y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$



For real roots its discriminant $geq 0$



So $$(a-3)^2-4(a+4)geq 0$$



$$a^2-10a-7geq 0$$



$$ain bigg(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}bigg]cup bigg[5+4sqrt{2},inftybigg).$$



but answer is different from that , i did not know where i



am missing. could some help me to solve it. thanks










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Find real values of $a$ for which the equation



$4^x-(a-3)cdot 2^x+(a+4)=0$
has non positive roots




Try: Let $2^x=yin (0,1].$ Then equation convert into



$y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$



For real roots its discriminant $geq 0$



So $$(a-3)^2-4(a+4)geq 0$$



$$a^2-10a-7geq 0$$



$$ain bigg(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}bigg]cup bigg[5+4sqrt{2},inftybigg).$$



but answer is different from that , i did not know where i



am missing. could some help me to solve it. thanks







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  • Maybe include the answer you are exspecting instead of only stating "but answer is different form" hence right now we do not no either where you made your mistake.
    – mrtaurho
    Dec 21 at 15:20








  • 1




    So you have real roots for $y$. But are they non-positive?
    – Andrei
    Dec 21 at 15:22






  • 2




    Does the discriminant $ge 0$ ensures $yin(0,1]$?
    – A.Γ.
    Dec 21 at 15:23










  • @ A.Γ. how can i calculate it. please explain me. thanks
    – D Tiwari
    Dec 21 at 15:24


















  • Maybe include the answer you are exspecting instead of only stating "but answer is different form" hence right now we do not no either where you made your mistake.
    – mrtaurho
    Dec 21 at 15:20








  • 1




    So you have real roots for $y$. But are they non-positive?
    – Andrei
    Dec 21 at 15:22






  • 2




    Does the discriminant $ge 0$ ensures $yin(0,1]$?
    – A.Γ.
    Dec 21 at 15:23










  • @ A.Γ. how can i calculate it. please explain me. thanks
    – D Tiwari
    Dec 21 at 15:24
















Maybe include the answer you are exspecting instead of only stating "but answer is different form" hence right now we do not no either where you made your mistake.
– mrtaurho
Dec 21 at 15:20






Maybe include the answer you are exspecting instead of only stating "but answer is different form" hence right now we do not no either where you made your mistake.
– mrtaurho
Dec 21 at 15:20






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So you have real roots for $y$. But are they non-positive?
– Andrei
Dec 21 at 15:22




So you have real roots for $y$. But are they non-positive?
– Andrei
Dec 21 at 15:22




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Does the discriminant $ge 0$ ensures $yin(0,1]$?
– A.Γ.
Dec 21 at 15:23




Does the discriminant $ge 0$ ensures $yin(0,1]$?
– A.Γ.
Dec 21 at 15:23












@ A.Γ. how can i calculate it. please explain me. thanks
– D Tiwari
Dec 21 at 15:24




@ A.Γ. how can i calculate it. please explain me. thanks
– D Tiwari
Dec 21 at 15:24










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Rewrite the equation as
$$
a=frac{4^x+3cdot 2^x+4}{2^x-1}
$$

and plot the function $a(x)$. From the plot you can see the values of $a$ that correspond to $x<0$.



You can change $y=2^x$ to simplify drawing, but then you will need to neglect negative $y$ as they do not correspond to real values of $x$.



Differentiate to get two critical points $y=1pm 2sqrt{2}$ among which only $1+2sqrt{2}$ is positive, then study intervals of monotonicity and asymptotics. The answer is $a<-4$.
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    Hint:



    your equation has non positive roots if $0<2^x<1$, so, with your substitution, the condition becomes $0<y<1$, for the equation $y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$



    Can you do from this?





    If $y_1,y_2$are the solutions we have :



    $
    y_1+y_2=a-3 qquad ,qquad y_1y_2=a+4
    $



    and we want:
    $$
    begin{cases}
    0<a-3<2\
    0<a+4<1
    end{cases}
    $$

    but: $a+4<1 Rightarrow a<-3$ and $a-3>0 Rightarrow a>3$



    so it is impossible to have $0<y_1<1$ and $0<y_2<1$






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    • From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
      – Emilio Novati
      Dec 21 at 15:42










    • I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
      – Emilio Novati
      Dec 21 at 15:55










    • Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
      – Paul Sinclair
      Dec 21 at 17:52



















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    You want $f(y) = y^2 - (a-3) y + (a+4)$ to have at least one root in $(0,1]$.
    Note that $f(0) = a+4$ and $f(1) = 8$, while the minimum value of $f(y)$, occurring at
    $y = (a-3)/2$, is $(-a^2 + 10 a + 7)/4$. There are several cases to consider.




    • If $a < -4$, $f(0) < 0 < f(1)$ so there is a root in $(0,1]$.

    • For $a = -4$, $f(y) = y^2 + 7 y$ so the roots $0$ and $-7$ are not in $(0,1]$.

    • For $a > -4$, $f(0) > 0$ and $f(1) > 0$ so the only way to have a root in $(0,1]$ would be if the minimum occurs between $0$ and $1$ and the minimum value $le 0$. The
      minimum is at $(a-3)/2$, so this requires $a in (3,5]$. But for $a$ in this interval,
      $-a^2 + 10 a + 7 > 0$.


    So the answer is $a < -4$.



    Alternative method:
    For given $y$, $f(y) = 0$ for $a = A(y) = 4 + y + 8/(y-1)$. Thus you want the set of values $A(y)$ for $0 < y < 1$ (of course $A(1)$ is undefined).
    $A'(y) = dfrac{y^2 - y - 7}{(y-1)^2} < 0$ in this interval, so $A$ is a decreasing function of $y$, with $A(y) to -infty$ as $y to 1-$. Thus the answer is $(-infty, A(0)) = (-infty, -4)$.






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      Not only the equation in $y$ must have real roots, but these roots have to be $le 1$, since it's asked that the equation in $x$ has non-positive roots, so that $y=2^xle 2^0=1$.



      To test whether the roots are less than $1$, we can place $1$ w.r.t. the roots $y_1,y_2$ of $;p(y)=y^2-(a-3)y+a+4$. The standard method is to determine the sign of $p(1)=8>0$. Therefore $1$ does not separate the roots of $p(y)$, and $1$ is either less than or greater than both of them. Furthermore, the half-sum of the roots is $;frac{a-3}2$ by Vieta's relations, so that
      $$y_1, y_2 le 1iff frac{y_1+y_2}2=frac{a-3}2 le 1iff ale 5. $$
      So the solution is
      $$ain Bigl{Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr]cup Bigl[5+4sqrt{2},inftyBigr)Bigr}cap (-infty,5]=Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr].$$






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      • There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
        – egreg
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      • @egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
        – Bernard
        Dec 21 at 18:42











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      Rewrite the equation as
      $$
      a=frac{4^x+3cdot 2^x+4}{2^x-1}
      $$

      and plot the function $a(x)$. From the plot you can see the values of $a$ that correspond to $x<0$.



      You can change $y=2^x$ to simplify drawing, but then you will need to neglect negative $y$ as they do not correspond to real values of $x$.



      Differentiate to get two critical points $y=1pm 2sqrt{2}$ among which only $1+2sqrt{2}$ is positive, then study intervals of monotonicity and asymptotics. The answer is $a<-4$.
      enter image description here






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        Rewrite the equation as
        $$
        a=frac{4^x+3cdot 2^x+4}{2^x-1}
        $$

        and plot the function $a(x)$. From the plot you can see the values of $a$ that correspond to $x<0$.



        You can change $y=2^x$ to simplify drawing, but then you will need to neglect negative $y$ as they do not correspond to real values of $x$.



        Differentiate to get two critical points $y=1pm 2sqrt{2}$ among which only $1+2sqrt{2}$ is positive, then study intervals of monotonicity and asymptotics. The answer is $a<-4$.
        enter image description here






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          Rewrite the equation as
          $$
          a=frac{4^x+3cdot 2^x+4}{2^x-1}
          $$

          and plot the function $a(x)$. From the plot you can see the values of $a$ that correspond to $x<0$.



          You can change $y=2^x$ to simplify drawing, but then you will need to neglect negative $y$ as they do not correspond to real values of $x$.



          Differentiate to get two critical points $y=1pm 2sqrt{2}$ among which only $1+2sqrt{2}$ is positive, then study intervals of monotonicity and asymptotics. The answer is $a<-4$.
          enter image description here






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          Rewrite the equation as
          $$
          a=frac{4^x+3cdot 2^x+4}{2^x-1}
          $$

          and plot the function $a(x)$. From the plot you can see the values of $a$ that correspond to $x<0$.



          You can change $y=2^x$ to simplify drawing, but then you will need to neglect negative $y$ as they do not correspond to real values of $x$.



          Differentiate to get two critical points $y=1pm 2sqrt{2}$ among which only $1+2sqrt{2}$ is positive, then study intervals of monotonicity and asymptotics. The answer is $a<-4$.
          enter image description here







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              Hint:



              your equation has non positive roots if $0<2^x<1$, so, with your substitution, the condition becomes $0<y<1$, for the equation $y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$



              Can you do from this?





              If $y_1,y_2$are the solutions we have :



              $
              y_1+y_2=a-3 qquad ,qquad y_1y_2=a+4
              $



              and we want:
              $$
              begin{cases}
              0<a-3<2\
              0<a+4<1
              end{cases}
              $$

              but: $a+4<1 Rightarrow a<-3$ and $a-3>0 Rightarrow a>3$



              so it is impossible to have $0<y_1<1$ and $0<y_2<1$






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              • From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
                – Emilio Novati
                Dec 21 at 15:42










              • I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
                – Emilio Novati
                Dec 21 at 15:55










              • Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
                – Paul Sinclair
                Dec 21 at 17:52
















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              Hint:



              your equation has non positive roots if $0<2^x<1$, so, with your substitution, the condition becomes $0<y<1$, for the equation $y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$



              Can you do from this?





              If $y_1,y_2$are the solutions we have :



              $
              y_1+y_2=a-3 qquad ,qquad y_1y_2=a+4
              $



              and we want:
              $$
              begin{cases}
              0<a-3<2\
              0<a+4<1
              end{cases}
              $$

              but: $a+4<1 Rightarrow a<-3$ and $a-3>0 Rightarrow a>3$



              so it is impossible to have $0<y_1<1$ and $0<y_2<1$






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              • From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
                – Emilio Novati
                Dec 21 at 15:42










              • I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
                – Emilio Novati
                Dec 21 at 15:55










              • Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
                – Paul Sinclair
                Dec 21 at 17:52














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              Hint:



              your equation has non positive roots if $0<2^x<1$, so, with your substitution, the condition becomes $0<y<1$, for the equation $y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$



              Can you do from this?





              If $y_1,y_2$are the solutions we have :



              $
              y_1+y_2=a-3 qquad ,qquad y_1y_2=a+4
              $



              and we want:
              $$
              begin{cases}
              0<a-3<2\
              0<a+4<1
              end{cases}
              $$

              but: $a+4<1 Rightarrow a<-3$ and $a-3>0 Rightarrow a>3$



              so it is impossible to have $0<y_1<1$ and $0<y_2<1$






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              Hint:



              your equation has non positive roots if $0<2^x<1$, so, with your substitution, the condition becomes $0<y<1$, for the equation $y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$



              Can you do from this?





              If $y_1,y_2$are the solutions we have :



              $
              y_1+y_2=a-3 qquad ,qquad y_1y_2=a+4
              $



              and we want:
              $$
              begin{cases}
              0<a-3<2\
              0<a+4<1
              end{cases}
              $$

              but: $a+4<1 Rightarrow a<-3$ and $a-3>0 Rightarrow a>3$



              so it is impossible to have $0<y_1<1$ and $0<y_2<1$







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              • From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
                – Emilio Novati
                Dec 21 at 15:42










              • I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
                – Emilio Novati
                Dec 21 at 15:55










              • Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
                – Paul Sinclair
                Dec 21 at 17:52


















              • From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
                – Emilio Novati
                Dec 21 at 15:42










              • I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
                – Emilio Novati
                Dec 21 at 15:55










              • Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
                – Paul Sinclair
                Dec 21 at 17:52
















              From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
              – Emilio Novati
              Dec 21 at 15:42




              From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
              – Emilio Novati
              Dec 21 at 15:42












              I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
              – Emilio Novati
              Dec 21 at 15:55




              I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
              – Emilio Novati
              Dec 21 at 15:55












              Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
              – Paul Sinclair
              Dec 21 at 17:52




              Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
              – Paul Sinclair
              Dec 21 at 17:52











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              You want $f(y) = y^2 - (a-3) y + (a+4)$ to have at least one root in $(0,1]$.
              Note that $f(0) = a+4$ and $f(1) = 8$, while the minimum value of $f(y)$, occurring at
              $y = (a-3)/2$, is $(-a^2 + 10 a + 7)/4$. There are several cases to consider.




              • If $a < -4$, $f(0) < 0 < f(1)$ so there is a root in $(0,1]$.

              • For $a = -4$, $f(y) = y^2 + 7 y$ so the roots $0$ and $-7$ are not in $(0,1]$.

              • For $a > -4$, $f(0) > 0$ and $f(1) > 0$ so the only way to have a root in $(0,1]$ would be if the minimum occurs between $0$ and $1$ and the minimum value $le 0$. The
                minimum is at $(a-3)/2$, so this requires $a in (3,5]$. But for $a$ in this interval,
                $-a^2 + 10 a + 7 > 0$.


              So the answer is $a < -4$.



              Alternative method:
              For given $y$, $f(y) = 0$ for $a = A(y) = 4 + y + 8/(y-1)$. Thus you want the set of values $A(y)$ for $0 < y < 1$ (of course $A(1)$ is undefined).
              $A'(y) = dfrac{y^2 - y - 7}{(y-1)^2} < 0$ in this interval, so $A$ is a decreasing function of $y$, with $A(y) to -infty$ as $y to 1-$. Thus the answer is $(-infty, A(0)) = (-infty, -4)$.






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                You want $f(y) = y^2 - (a-3) y + (a+4)$ to have at least one root in $(0,1]$.
                Note that $f(0) = a+4$ and $f(1) = 8$, while the minimum value of $f(y)$, occurring at
                $y = (a-3)/2$, is $(-a^2 + 10 a + 7)/4$. There are several cases to consider.




                • If $a < -4$, $f(0) < 0 < f(1)$ so there is a root in $(0,1]$.

                • For $a = -4$, $f(y) = y^2 + 7 y$ so the roots $0$ and $-7$ are not in $(0,1]$.

                • For $a > -4$, $f(0) > 0$ and $f(1) > 0$ so the only way to have a root in $(0,1]$ would be if the minimum occurs between $0$ and $1$ and the minimum value $le 0$. The
                  minimum is at $(a-3)/2$, so this requires $a in (3,5]$. But for $a$ in this interval,
                  $-a^2 + 10 a + 7 > 0$.


                So the answer is $a < -4$.



                Alternative method:
                For given $y$, $f(y) = 0$ for $a = A(y) = 4 + y + 8/(y-1)$. Thus you want the set of values $A(y)$ for $0 < y < 1$ (of course $A(1)$ is undefined).
                $A'(y) = dfrac{y^2 - y - 7}{(y-1)^2} < 0$ in this interval, so $A$ is a decreasing function of $y$, with $A(y) to -infty$ as $y to 1-$. Thus the answer is $(-infty, A(0)) = (-infty, -4)$.






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                  You want $f(y) = y^2 - (a-3) y + (a+4)$ to have at least one root in $(0,1]$.
                  Note that $f(0) = a+4$ and $f(1) = 8$, while the minimum value of $f(y)$, occurring at
                  $y = (a-3)/2$, is $(-a^2 + 10 a + 7)/4$. There are several cases to consider.




                  • If $a < -4$, $f(0) < 0 < f(1)$ so there is a root in $(0,1]$.

                  • For $a = -4$, $f(y) = y^2 + 7 y$ so the roots $0$ and $-7$ are not in $(0,1]$.

                  • For $a > -4$, $f(0) > 0$ and $f(1) > 0$ so the only way to have a root in $(0,1]$ would be if the minimum occurs between $0$ and $1$ and the minimum value $le 0$. The
                    minimum is at $(a-3)/2$, so this requires $a in (3,5]$. But for $a$ in this interval,
                    $-a^2 + 10 a + 7 > 0$.


                  So the answer is $a < -4$.



                  Alternative method:
                  For given $y$, $f(y) = 0$ for $a = A(y) = 4 + y + 8/(y-1)$. Thus you want the set of values $A(y)$ for $0 < y < 1$ (of course $A(1)$ is undefined).
                  $A'(y) = dfrac{y^2 - y - 7}{(y-1)^2} < 0$ in this interval, so $A$ is a decreasing function of $y$, with $A(y) to -infty$ as $y to 1-$. Thus the answer is $(-infty, A(0)) = (-infty, -4)$.






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                  You want $f(y) = y^2 - (a-3) y + (a+4)$ to have at least one root in $(0,1]$.
                  Note that $f(0) = a+4$ and $f(1) = 8$, while the minimum value of $f(y)$, occurring at
                  $y = (a-3)/2$, is $(-a^2 + 10 a + 7)/4$. There are several cases to consider.




                  • If $a < -4$, $f(0) < 0 < f(1)$ so there is a root in $(0,1]$.

                  • For $a = -4$, $f(y) = y^2 + 7 y$ so the roots $0$ and $-7$ are not in $(0,1]$.

                  • For $a > -4$, $f(0) > 0$ and $f(1) > 0$ so the only way to have a root in $(0,1]$ would be if the minimum occurs between $0$ and $1$ and the minimum value $le 0$. The
                    minimum is at $(a-3)/2$, so this requires $a in (3,5]$. But for $a$ in this interval,
                    $-a^2 + 10 a + 7 > 0$.


                  So the answer is $a < -4$.



                  Alternative method:
                  For given $y$, $f(y) = 0$ for $a = A(y) = 4 + y + 8/(y-1)$. Thus you want the set of values $A(y)$ for $0 < y < 1$ (of course $A(1)$ is undefined).
                  $A'(y) = dfrac{y^2 - y - 7}{(y-1)^2} < 0$ in this interval, so $A$ is a decreasing function of $y$, with $A(y) to -infty$ as $y to 1-$. Thus the answer is $(-infty, A(0)) = (-infty, -4)$.







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                      Not only the equation in $y$ must have real roots, but these roots have to be $le 1$, since it's asked that the equation in $x$ has non-positive roots, so that $y=2^xle 2^0=1$.



                      To test whether the roots are less than $1$, we can place $1$ w.r.t. the roots $y_1,y_2$ of $;p(y)=y^2-(a-3)y+a+4$. The standard method is to determine the sign of $p(1)=8>0$. Therefore $1$ does not separate the roots of $p(y)$, and $1$ is either less than or greater than both of them. Furthermore, the half-sum of the roots is $;frac{a-3}2$ by Vieta's relations, so that
                      $$y_1, y_2 le 1iff frac{y_1+y_2}2=frac{a-3}2 le 1iff ale 5. $$
                      So the solution is
                      $$ain Bigl{Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr]cup Bigl[5+4sqrt{2},inftyBigr)Bigr}cap (-infty,5]=Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr].$$






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                      • There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
                        – egreg
                        Dec 21 at 18:07










                      • @egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
                        – Bernard
                        Dec 21 at 18:42
















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                      Not only the equation in $y$ must have real roots, but these roots have to be $le 1$, since it's asked that the equation in $x$ has non-positive roots, so that $y=2^xle 2^0=1$.



                      To test whether the roots are less than $1$, we can place $1$ w.r.t. the roots $y_1,y_2$ of $;p(y)=y^2-(a-3)y+a+4$. The standard method is to determine the sign of $p(1)=8>0$. Therefore $1$ does not separate the roots of $p(y)$, and $1$ is either less than or greater than both of them. Furthermore, the half-sum of the roots is $;frac{a-3}2$ by Vieta's relations, so that
                      $$y_1, y_2 le 1iff frac{y_1+y_2}2=frac{a-3}2 le 1iff ale 5. $$
                      So the solution is
                      $$ain Bigl{Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr]cup Bigl[5+4sqrt{2},inftyBigr)Bigr}cap (-infty,5]=Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr].$$






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                      • There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
                        – egreg
                        Dec 21 at 18:07










                      • @egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
                        – Bernard
                        Dec 21 at 18:42














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                      2






                      Not only the equation in $y$ must have real roots, but these roots have to be $le 1$, since it's asked that the equation in $x$ has non-positive roots, so that $y=2^xle 2^0=1$.



                      To test whether the roots are less than $1$, we can place $1$ w.r.t. the roots $y_1,y_2$ of $;p(y)=y^2-(a-3)y+a+4$. The standard method is to determine the sign of $p(1)=8>0$. Therefore $1$ does not separate the roots of $p(y)$, and $1$ is either less than or greater than both of them. Furthermore, the half-sum of the roots is $;frac{a-3}2$ by Vieta's relations, so that
                      $$y_1, y_2 le 1iff frac{y_1+y_2}2=frac{a-3}2 le 1iff ale 5. $$
                      So the solution is
                      $$ain Bigl{Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr]cup Bigl[5+4sqrt{2},inftyBigr)Bigr}cap (-infty,5]=Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr].$$






                      share|cite|improve this answer












                      Not only the equation in $y$ must have real roots, but these roots have to be $le 1$, since it's asked that the equation in $x$ has non-positive roots, so that $y=2^xle 2^0=1$.



                      To test whether the roots are less than $1$, we can place $1$ w.r.t. the roots $y_1,y_2$ of $;p(y)=y^2-(a-3)y+a+4$. The standard method is to determine the sign of $p(1)=8>0$. Therefore $1$ does not separate the roots of $p(y)$, and $1$ is either less than or greater than both of them. Furthermore, the half-sum of the roots is $;frac{a-3}2$ by Vieta's relations, so that
                      $$y_1, y_2 le 1iff frac{y_1+y_2}2=frac{a-3}2 le 1iff ale 5. $$
                      So the solution is
                      $$ain Bigl{Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr]cup Bigl[5+4sqrt{2},inftyBigr)Bigr}cap (-infty,5]=Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr].$$







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                      answered Dec 21 at 15:47









                      Bernard

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                      • There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
                        – egreg
                        Dec 21 at 18:07










                      • @egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
                        – Bernard
                        Dec 21 at 18:42


















                      • There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
                        – egreg
                        Dec 21 at 18:07










                      • @egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
                        – Bernard
                        Dec 21 at 18:42
















                      There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
                      – egreg
                      Dec 21 at 18:07




                      There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
                      – egreg
                      Dec 21 at 18:07












                      @egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
                      – Bernard
                      Dec 21 at 18:42




                      @egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
                      – Bernard
                      Dec 21 at 18:42


















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