exponential equation has non positive roots
Find real values of $a$ for which the equation
$4^x-(a-3)cdot 2^x+(a+4)=0$
has non positive roots
Try: Let $2^x=yin (0,1].$ Then equation convert into
$y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$
For real roots its discriminant $geq 0$
So $$(a-3)^2-4(a+4)geq 0$$
$$a^2-10a-7geq 0$$
$$ain bigg(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}bigg]cup bigg[5+4sqrt{2},inftybigg).$$
but answer is different from that , i did not know where i
am missing. could some help me to solve it. thanks
calculus
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Find real values of $a$ for which the equation
$4^x-(a-3)cdot 2^x+(a+4)=0$
has non positive roots
Try: Let $2^x=yin (0,1].$ Then equation convert into
$y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$
For real roots its discriminant $geq 0$
So $$(a-3)^2-4(a+4)geq 0$$
$$a^2-10a-7geq 0$$
$$ain bigg(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}bigg]cup bigg[5+4sqrt{2},inftybigg).$$
but answer is different from that , i did not know where i
am missing. could some help me to solve it. thanks
calculus
Maybe include the answer you are exspecting instead of only stating "but answer is different form" hence right now we do not no either where you made your mistake.
– mrtaurho
Dec 21 at 15:20
1
So you have real roots for $y$. But are they non-positive?
– Andrei
Dec 21 at 15:22
2
Does the discriminant $ge 0$ ensures $yin(0,1]$?
– A.Γ.
Dec 21 at 15:23
@ A.Γ. how can i calculate it. please explain me. thanks
– D Tiwari
Dec 21 at 15:24
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Find real values of $a$ for which the equation
$4^x-(a-3)cdot 2^x+(a+4)=0$
has non positive roots
Try: Let $2^x=yin (0,1].$ Then equation convert into
$y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$
For real roots its discriminant $geq 0$
So $$(a-3)^2-4(a+4)geq 0$$
$$a^2-10a-7geq 0$$
$$ain bigg(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}bigg]cup bigg[5+4sqrt{2},inftybigg).$$
but answer is different from that , i did not know where i
am missing. could some help me to solve it. thanks
calculus
Find real values of $a$ for which the equation
$4^x-(a-3)cdot 2^x+(a+4)=0$
has non positive roots
Try: Let $2^x=yin (0,1].$ Then equation convert into
$y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$
For real roots its discriminant $geq 0$
So $$(a-3)^2-4(a+4)geq 0$$
$$a^2-10a-7geq 0$$
$$ain bigg(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}bigg]cup bigg[5+4sqrt{2},inftybigg).$$
but answer is different from that , i did not know where i
am missing. could some help me to solve it. thanks
calculus
calculus
asked Dec 21 at 15:15
D Tiwari
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5,3002630
Maybe include the answer you are exspecting instead of only stating "but answer is different form" hence right now we do not no either where you made your mistake.
– mrtaurho
Dec 21 at 15:20
1
So you have real roots for $y$. But are they non-positive?
– Andrei
Dec 21 at 15:22
2
Does the discriminant $ge 0$ ensures $yin(0,1]$?
– A.Γ.
Dec 21 at 15:23
@ A.Γ. how can i calculate it. please explain me. thanks
– D Tiwari
Dec 21 at 15:24
add a comment |
Maybe include the answer you are exspecting instead of only stating "but answer is different form" hence right now we do not no either where you made your mistake.
– mrtaurho
Dec 21 at 15:20
1
So you have real roots for $y$. But are they non-positive?
– Andrei
Dec 21 at 15:22
2
Does the discriminant $ge 0$ ensures $yin(0,1]$?
– A.Γ.
Dec 21 at 15:23
@ A.Γ. how can i calculate it. please explain me. thanks
– D Tiwari
Dec 21 at 15:24
Maybe include the answer you are exspecting instead of only stating "but answer is different form" hence right now we do not no either where you made your mistake.
– mrtaurho
Dec 21 at 15:20
Maybe include the answer you are exspecting instead of only stating "but answer is different form" hence right now we do not no either where you made your mistake.
– mrtaurho
Dec 21 at 15:20
1
1
So you have real roots for $y$. But are they non-positive?
– Andrei
Dec 21 at 15:22
So you have real roots for $y$. But are they non-positive?
– Andrei
Dec 21 at 15:22
2
2
Does the discriminant $ge 0$ ensures $yin(0,1]$?
– A.Γ.
Dec 21 at 15:23
Does the discriminant $ge 0$ ensures $yin(0,1]$?
– A.Γ.
Dec 21 at 15:23
@ A.Γ. how can i calculate it. please explain me. thanks
– D Tiwari
Dec 21 at 15:24
@ A.Γ. how can i calculate it. please explain me. thanks
– D Tiwari
Dec 21 at 15:24
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Rewrite the equation as
$$
a=frac{4^x+3cdot 2^x+4}{2^x-1}
$$
and plot the function $a(x)$. From the plot you can see the values of $a$ that correspond to $x<0$.
You can change $y=2^x$ to simplify drawing, but then you will need to neglect negative $y$ as they do not correspond to real values of $x$.
Differentiate to get two critical points $y=1pm 2sqrt{2}$ among which only $1+2sqrt{2}$ is positive, then study intervals of monotonicity and asymptotics. The answer is $a<-4$.
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Hint:
your equation has non positive roots if $0<2^x<1$, so, with your substitution, the condition becomes $0<y<1$, for the equation $y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$
Can you do from this?
If $y_1,y_2$are the solutions we have :
$
y_1+y_2=a-3 qquad ,qquad y_1y_2=a+4
$
and we want:
$$
begin{cases}
0<a-3<2\
0<a+4<1
end{cases}
$$
but: $a+4<1 Rightarrow a<-3$ and $a-3>0 Rightarrow a>3$
so it is impossible to have $0<y_1<1$ and $0<y_2<1$
From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 at 15:42
I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 at 15:55
Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
– Paul Sinclair
Dec 21 at 17:52
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You want $f(y) = y^2 - (a-3) y + (a+4)$ to have at least one root in $(0,1]$.
Note that $f(0) = a+4$ and $f(1) = 8$, while the minimum value of $f(y)$, occurring at
$y = (a-3)/2$, is $(-a^2 + 10 a + 7)/4$. There are several cases to consider.
- If $a < -4$, $f(0) < 0 < f(1)$ so there is a root in $(0,1]$.
- For $a = -4$, $f(y) = y^2 + 7 y$ so the roots $0$ and $-7$ are not in $(0,1]$.
- For $a > -4$, $f(0) > 0$ and $f(1) > 0$ so the only way to have a root in $(0,1]$ would be if the minimum occurs between $0$ and $1$ and the minimum value $le 0$. The
minimum is at $(a-3)/2$, so this requires $a in (3,5]$. But for $a$ in this interval,
$-a^2 + 10 a + 7 > 0$.
So the answer is $a < -4$.
Alternative method:
For given $y$, $f(y) = 0$ for $a = A(y) = 4 + y + 8/(y-1)$. Thus you want the set of values $A(y)$ for $0 < y < 1$ (of course $A(1)$ is undefined).
$A'(y) = dfrac{y^2 - y - 7}{(y-1)^2} < 0$ in this interval, so $A$ is a decreasing function of $y$, with $A(y) to -infty$ as $y to 1-$. Thus the answer is $(-infty, A(0)) = (-infty, -4)$.
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Not only the equation in $y$ must have real roots, but these roots have to be $le 1$, since it's asked that the equation in $x$ has non-positive roots, so that $y=2^xle 2^0=1$.
To test whether the roots are less than $1$, we can place $1$ w.r.t. the roots $y_1,y_2$ of $;p(y)=y^2-(a-3)y+a+4$. The standard method is to determine the sign of $p(1)=8>0$. Therefore $1$ does not separate the roots of $p(y)$, and $1$ is either less than or greater than both of them. Furthermore, the half-sum of the roots is $;frac{a-3}2$ by Vieta's relations, so that
$$y_1, y_2 le 1iff frac{y_1+y_2}2=frac{a-3}2 le 1iff ale 5. $$
So the solution is
$$ain Bigl{Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr]cup Bigl[5+4sqrt{2},inftyBigr)Bigr}cap (-infty,5]=Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr].$$
There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
– egreg
Dec 21 at 18:07
@egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
– Bernard
Dec 21 at 18:42
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Rewrite the equation as
$$
a=frac{4^x+3cdot 2^x+4}{2^x-1}
$$
and plot the function $a(x)$. From the plot you can see the values of $a$ that correspond to $x<0$.
You can change $y=2^x$ to simplify drawing, but then you will need to neglect negative $y$ as they do not correspond to real values of $x$.
Differentiate to get two critical points $y=1pm 2sqrt{2}$ among which only $1+2sqrt{2}$ is positive, then study intervals of monotonicity and asymptotics. The answer is $a<-4$.
add a comment |
Rewrite the equation as
$$
a=frac{4^x+3cdot 2^x+4}{2^x-1}
$$
and plot the function $a(x)$. From the plot you can see the values of $a$ that correspond to $x<0$.
You can change $y=2^x$ to simplify drawing, but then you will need to neglect negative $y$ as they do not correspond to real values of $x$.
Differentiate to get two critical points $y=1pm 2sqrt{2}$ among which only $1+2sqrt{2}$ is positive, then study intervals of monotonicity and asymptotics. The answer is $a<-4$.
add a comment |
Rewrite the equation as
$$
a=frac{4^x+3cdot 2^x+4}{2^x-1}
$$
and plot the function $a(x)$. From the plot you can see the values of $a$ that correspond to $x<0$.
You can change $y=2^x$ to simplify drawing, but then you will need to neglect negative $y$ as they do not correspond to real values of $x$.
Differentiate to get two critical points $y=1pm 2sqrt{2}$ among which only $1+2sqrt{2}$ is positive, then study intervals of monotonicity and asymptotics. The answer is $a<-4$.
Rewrite the equation as
$$
a=frac{4^x+3cdot 2^x+4}{2^x-1}
$$
and plot the function $a(x)$. From the plot you can see the values of $a$ that correspond to $x<0$.
You can change $y=2^x$ to simplify drawing, but then you will need to neglect negative $y$ as they do not correspond to real values of $x$.
Differentiate to get two critical points $y=1pm 2sqrt{2}$ among which only $1+2sqrt{2}$ is positive, then study intervals of monotonicity and asymptotics. The answer is $a<-4$.
edited Dec 21 at 17:22
answered Dec 21 at 15:30
A.Γ.
21.8k22455
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Hint:
your equation has non positive roots if $0<2^x<1$, so, with your substitution, the condition becomes $0<y<1$, for the equation $y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$
Can you do from this?
If $y_1,y_2$are the solutions we have :
$
y_1+y_2=a-3 qquad ,qquad y_1y_2=a+4
$
and we want:
$$
begin{cases}
0<a-3<2\
0<a+4<1
end{cases}
$$
but: $a+4<1 Rightarrow a<-3$ and $a-3>0 Rightarrow a>3$
so it is impossible to have $0<y_1<1$ and $0<y_2<1$
From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 at 15:42
I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 at 15:55
Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
– Paul Sinclair
Dec 21 at 17:52
add a comment |
Hint:
your equation has non positive roots if $0<2^x<1$, so, with your substitution, the condition becomes $0<y<1$, for the equation $y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$
Can you do from this?
If $y_1,y_2$are the solutions we have :
$
y_1+y_2=a-3 qquad ,qquad y_1y_2=a+4
$
and we want:
$$
begin{cases}
0<a-3<2\
0<a+4<1
end{cases}
$$
but: $a+4<1 Rightarrow a<-3$ and $a-3>0 Rightarrow a>3$
so it is impossible to have $0<y_1<1$ and $0<y_2<1$
From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 at 15:42
I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 at 15:55
Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
– Paul Sinclair
Dec 21 at 17:52
add a comment |
Hint:
your equation has non positive roots if $0<2^x<1$, so, with your substitution, the condition becomes $0<y<1$, for the equation $y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$
Can you do from this?
If $y_1,y_2$are the solutions we have :
$
y_1+y_2=a-3 qquad ,qquad y_1y_2=a+4
$
and we want:
$$
begin{cases}
0<a-3<2\
0<a+4<1
end{cases}
$$
but: $a+4<1 Rightarrow a<-3$ and $a-3>0 Rightarrow a>3$
so it is impossible to have $0<y_1<1$ and $0<y_2<1$
Hint:
your equation has non positive roots if $0<2^x<1$, so, with your substitution, the condition becomes $0<y<1$, for the equation $y^2-(a-3)y+(a+4)=0$
Can you do from this?
If $y_1,y_2$are the solutions we have :
$
y_1+y_2=a-3 qquad ,qquad y_1y_2=a+4
$
and we want:
$$
begin{cases}
0<a-3<2\
0<a+4<1
end{cases}
$$
but: $a+4<1 Rightarrow a<-3$ and $a-3>0 Rightarrow a>3$
so it is impossible to have $0<y_1<1$ and $0<y_2<1$
edited Dec 21 at 16:03
answered Dec 21 at 15:29
Emilio Novati
51.5k43472
51.5k43472
From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 at 15:42
I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 at 15:55
Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
– Paul Sinclair
Dec 21 at 17:52
add a comment |
From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 at 15:42
I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 at 15:55
Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
– Paul Sinclair
Dec 21 at 17:52
From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 at 15:42
From $a+4<1$ we have $a<-3$, but from $a-3>0$ we have also $a>3$, so.....
– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 at 15:42
I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 at 15:55
I add something to may answer. I hope it's useful :)
– Emilio Novati
Dec 21 at 15:55
Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
– Paul Sinclair
Dec 21 at 17:52
Non-positive roots requires $x le 0$, so $0 < 2^x le 1$.
– Paul Sinclair
Dec 21 at 17:52
add a comment |
You want $f(y) = y^2 - (a-3) y + (a+4)$ to have at least one root in $(0,1]$.
Note that $f(0) = a+4$ and $f(1) = 8$, while the minimum value of $f(y)$, occurring at
$y = (a-3)/2$, is $(-a^2 + 10 a + 7)/4$. There are several cases to consider.
- If $a < -4$, $f(0) < 0 < f(1)$ so there is a root in $(0,1]$.
- For $a = -4$, $f(y) = y^2 + 7 y$ so the roots $0$ and $-7$ are not in $(0,1]$.
- For $a > -4$, $f(0) > 0$ and $f(1) > 0$ so the only way to have a root in $(0,1]$ would be if the minimum occurs between $0$ and $1$ and the minimum value $le 0$. The
minimum is at $(a-3)/2$, so this requires $a in (3,5]$. But for $a$ in this interval,
$-a^2 + 10 a + 7 > 0$.
So the answer is $a < -4$.
Alternative method:
For given $y$, $f(y) = 0$ for $a = A(y) = 4 + y + 8/(y-1)$. Thus you want the set of values $A(y)$ for $0 < y < 1$ (of course $A(1)$ is undefined).
$A'(y) = dfrac{y^2 - y - 7}{(y-1)^2} < 0$ in this interval, so $A$ is a decreasing function of $y$, with $A(y) to -infty$ as $y to 1-$. Thus the answer is $(-infty, A(0)) = (-infty, -4)$.
add a comment |
You want $f(y) = y^2 - (a-3) y + (a+4)$ to have at least one root in $(0,1]$.
Note that $f(0) = a+4$ and $f(1) = 8$, while the minimum value of $f(y)$, occurring at
$y = (a-3)/2$, is $(-a^2 + 10 a + 7)/4$. There are several cases to consider.
- If $a < -4$, $f(0) < 0 < f(1)$ so there is a root in $(0,1]$.
- For $a = -4$, $f(y) = y^2 + 7 y$ so the roots $0$ and $-7$ are not in $(0,1]$.
- For $a > -4$, $f(0) > 0$ and $f(1) > 0$ so the only way to have a root in $(0,1]$ would be if the minimum occurs between $0$ and $1$ and the minimum value $le 0$. The
minimum is at $(a-3)/2$, so this requires $a in (3,5]$. But for $a$ in this interval,
$-a^2 + 10 a + 7 > 0$.
So the answer is $a < -4$.
Alternative method:
For given $y$, $f(y) = 0$ for $a = A(y) = 4 + y + 8/(y-1)$. Thus you want the set of values $A(y)$ for $0 < y < 1$ (of course $A(1)$ is undefined).
$A'(y) = dfrac{y^2 - y - 7}{(y-1)^2} < 0$ in this interval, so $A$ is a decreasing function of $y$, with $A(y) to -infty$ as $y to 1-$. Thus the answer is $(-infty, A(0)) = (-infty, -4)$.
add a comment |
You want $f(y) = y^2 - (a-3) y + (a+4)$ to have at least one root in $(0,1]$.
Note that $f(0) = a+4$ and $f(1) = 8$, while the minimum value of $f(y)$, occurring at
$y = (a-3)/2$, is $(-a^2 + 10 a + 7)/4$. There are several cases to consider.
- If $a < -4$, $f(0) < 0 < f(1)$ so there is a root in $(0,1]$.
- For $a = -4$, $f(y) = y^2 + 7 y$ so the roots $0$ and $-7$ are not in $(0,1]$.
- For $a > -4$, $f(0) > 0$ and $f(1) > 0$ so the only way to have a root in $(0,1]$ would be if the minimum occurs between $0$ and $1$ and the minimum value $le 0$. The
minimum is at $(a-3)/2$, so this requires $a in (3,5]$. But for $a$ in this interval,
$-a^2 + 10 a + 7 > 0$.
So the answer is $a < -4$.
Alternative method:
For given $y$, $f(y) = 0$ for $a = A(y) = 4 + y + 8/(y-1)$. Thus you want the set of values $A(y)$ for $0 < y < 1$ (of course $A(1)$ is undefined).
$A'(y) = dfrac{y^2 - y - 7}{(y-1)^2} < 0$ in this interval, so $A$ is a decreasing function of $y$, with $A(y) to -infty$ as $y to 1-$. Thus the answer is $(-infty, A(0)) = (-infty, -4)$.
You want $f(y) = y^2 - (a-3) y + (a+4)$ to have at least one root in $(0,1]$.
Note that $f(0) = a+4$ and $f(1) = 8$, while the minimum value of $f(y)$, occurring at
$y = (a-3)/2$, is $(-a^2 + 10 a + 7)/4$. There are several cases to consider.
- If $a < -4$, $f(0) < 0 < f(1)$ so there is a root in $(0,1]$.
- For $a = -4$, $f(y) = y^2 + 7 y$ so the roots $0$ and $-7$ are not in $(0,1]$.
- For $a > -4$, $f(0) > 0$ and $f(1) > 0$ so the only way to have a root in $(0,1]$ would be if the minimum occurs between $0$ and $1$ and the minimum value $le 0$. The
minimum is at $(a-3)/2$, so this requires $a in (3,5]$. But for $a$ in this interval,
$-a^2 + 10 a + 7 > 0$.
So the answer is $a < -4$.
Alternative method:
For given $y$, $f(y) = 0$ for $a = A(y) = 4 + y + 8/(y-1)$. Thus you want the set of values $A(y)$ for $0 < y < 1$ (of course $A(1)$ is undefined).
$A'(y) = dfrac{y^2 - y - 7}{(y-1)^2} < 0$ in this interval, so $A$ is a decreasing function of $y$, with $A(y) to -infty$ as $y to 1-$. Thus the answer is $(-infty, A(0)) = (-infty, -4)$.
edited Dec 21 at 15:57
answered Dec 21 at 15:46
Robert Israel
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Not only the equation in $y$ must have real roots, but these roots have to be $le 1$, since it's asked that the equation in $x$ has non-positive roots, so that $y=2^xle 2^0=1$.
To test whether the roots are less than $1$, we can place $1$ w.r.t. the roots $y_1,y_2$ of $;p(y)=y^2-(a-3)y+a+4$. The standard method is to determine the sign of $p(1)=8>0$. Therefore $1$ does not separate the roots of $p(y)$, and $1$ is either less than or greater than both of them. Furthermore, the half-sum of the roots is $;frac{a-3}2$ by Vieta's relations, so that
$$y_1, y_2 le 1iff frac{y_1+y_2}2=frac{a-3}2 le 1iff ale 5. $$
So the solution is
$$ain Bigl{Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr]cup Bigl[5+4sqrt{2},inftyBigr)Bigr}cap (-infty,5]=Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr].$$
There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
– egreg
Dec 21 at 18:07
@egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
– Bernard
Dec 21 at 18:42
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Not only the equation in $y$ must have real roots, but these roots have to be $le 1$, since it's asked that the equation in $x$ has non-positive roots, so that $y=2^xle 2^0=1$.
To test whether the roots are less than $1$, we can place $1$ w.r.t. the roots $y_1,y_2$ of $;p(y)=y^2-(a-3)y+a+4$. The standard method is to determine the sign of $p(1)=8>0$. Therefore $1$ does not separate the roots of $p(y)$, and $1$ is either less than or greater than both of them. Furthermore, the half-sum of the roots is $;frac{a-3}2$ by Vieta's relations, so that
$$y_1, y_2 le 1iff frac{y_1+y_2}2=frac{a-3}2 le 1iff ale 5. $$
So the solution is
$$ain Bigl{Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr]cup Bigl[5+4sqrt{2},inftyBigr)Bigr}cap (-infty,5]=Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr].$$
There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
– egreg
Dec 21 at 18:07
@egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
– Bernard
Dec 21 at 18:42
add a comment |
Not only the equation in $y$ must have real roots, but these roots have to be $le 1$, since it's asked that the equation in $x$ has non-positive roots, so that $y=2^xle 2^0=1$.
To test whether the roots are less than $1$, we can place $1$ w.r.t. the roots $y_1,y_2$ of $;p(y)=y^2-(a-3)y+a+4$. The standard method is to determine the sign of $p(1)=8>0$. Therefore $1$ does not separate the roots of $p(y)$, and $1$ is either less than or greater than both of them. Furthermore, the half-sum of the roots is $;frac{a-3}2$ by Vieta's relations, so that
$$y_1, y_2 le 1iff frac{y_1+y_2}2=frac{a-3}2 le 1iff ale 5. $$
So the solution is
$$ain Bigl{Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr]cup Bigl[5+4sqrt{2},inftyBigr)Bigr}cap (-infty,5]=Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr].$$
Not only the equation in $y$ must have real roots, but these roots have to be $le 1$, since it's asked that the equation in $x$ has non-positive roots, so that $y=2^xle 2^0=1$.
To test whether the roots are less than $1$, we can place $1$ w.r.t. the roots $y_1,y_2$ of $;p(y)=y^2-(a-3)y+a+4$. The standard method is to determine the sign of $p(1)=8>0$. Therefore $1$ does not separate the roots of $p(y)$, and $1$ is either less than or greater than both of them. Furthermore, the half-sum of the roots is $;frac{a-3}2$ by Vieta's relations, so that
$$y_1, y_2 le 1iff frac{y_1+y_2}2=frac{a-3}2 le 1iff ale 5. $$
So the solution is
$$ain Bigl{Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr]cup Bigl[5+4sqrt{2},inftyBigr)Bigr}cap (-infty,5]=Bigl(-infty,5-4sqrt{2}Bigr].$$
answered Dec 21 at 15:47
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There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
– egreg
Dec 21 at 18:07
@egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
– Bernard
Dec 21 at 18:42
add a comment |
There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
– egreg
Dec 21 at 18:07
@egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
– Bernard
Dec 21 at 18:42
There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
– egreg
Dec 21 at 18:07
There must be some error in your computations. The interval is $a<-4$.
– egreg
Dec 21 at 18:07
@egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
– Bernard
Dec 21 at 18:42
@egreg: That's quite possible – I computed directly on screen. Further it's not clear to me whether the O.P. wants both roots non-positive or at least $1$. I'll check that.
– Bernard
Dec 21 at 18:42
add a comment |
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