Why whole Hallel on Chanukah?
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One of the reasons given for only saying half Hallel on Pesach (Shibolei Haleket I believe) is because we limit our joy at the destruction of the Egyptians as they are the handiwork of Hashem.
Why don’t we have a similar logic on Chanukah and limit our joy at the destruction of the Greeks and thereby only say half Hallel on Chanukah?
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One of the reasons given for only saying half Hallel on Pesach (Shibolei Haleket I believe) is because we limit our joy at the destruction of the Egyptians as they are the handiwork of Hashem.
Why don’t we have a similar logic on Chanukah and limit our joy at the destruction of the Greeks and thereby only say half Hallel on Chanukah?
chanuka hallel
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Dr. Shmuel
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asked Dec 6 at 3:44
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Note that we do say whole Hallel on the first day(s) of Pesach, despite the death of the Egyptian firstborns that took place on the night of the fifteenth of Nissan.
– Joel K
Dec 6 at 4:44
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Maybe because that's not the main reason we say don't say full Hallel on every day of Pesach. It's just an extra Midrash.
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 11:27
Despite it's popularity, I don't think such a reason exists. Can you show that it does? AFAICT, the referenced opinion just explains why the one day that gets a full Hallel for the whole holiday of Pesach is day 1 not day 7 when we may have expected it bc of the song of the sea and the completion of the redemption. It is not a reason to not say full Hallel every day.
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 11:28
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Did many Greeks die? They were expelled but I've never heard of any dying (I'm sure some did, it's just not very notable or important)
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 12:00
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וקבעו שמונת ימי חנוכה אלו להודות ולהלל how could we imagine not saying Hallel all eight days when that's the whole point of the holiday?
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 12:13
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One of the reasons given for only saying half Hallel on Pesach (Shibolei Haleket I believe) is because we limit our joy at the destruction of the Egyptians as they are the handiwork of Hashem.
Why don’t we have a similar logic on Chanukah and limit our joy at the destruction of the Greeks and thereby only say half Hallel on Chanukah?
chanuka hallel
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Dr. Shmuel
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One of the reasons given for only saying half Hallel on Pesach (Shibolei Haleket I believe) is because we limit our joy at the destruction of the Egyptians as they are the handiwork of Hashem.
Why don’t we have a similar logic on Chanukah and limit our joy at the destruction of the Greeks and thereby only say half Hallel on Chanukah?
chanuka hallel
chanuka hallel
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Dr. Shmuel
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edited Dec 6 at 4:28
Dr. Shmuel
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asked Dec 6 at 3:44
Draizy-Levi Pine
57827
edited Dec 6 at 4:28
Dr. Shmuel
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edited Dec 6 at 4:28
Dr. Shmuel
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edited Dec 6 at 4:28
Dr. Shmuel
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Note that we do say whole Hallel on the first day(s) of Pesach, despite the death of the Egyptian firstborns that took place on the night of the fifteenth of Nissan.
– Joel K
Dec 6 at 4:44
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Maybe because that's not the main reason we say don't say full Hallel on every day of Pesach. It's just an extra Midrash.
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 11:27
Despite it's popularity, I don't think such a reason exists. Can you show that it does? AFAICT, the referenced opinion just explains why the one day that gets a full Hallel for the whole holiday of Pesach is day 1 not day 7 when we may have expected it bc of the song of the sea and the completion of the redemption. It is not a reason to not say full Hallel every day.
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 11:28
1
Did many Greeks die? They were expelled but I've never heard of any dying (I'm sure some did, it's just not very notable or important)
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 12:00
1
וקבעו שמונת ימי חנוכה אלו להודות ולהלל how could we imagine not saying Hallel all eight days when that's the whole point of the holiday?
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 12:13
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Note that we do say whole Hallel on the first day(s) of Pesach, despite the death of the Egyptian firstborns that took place on the night of the fifteenth of Nissan.
– Joel K
Dec 6 at 4:44
1
Maybe because that's not the main reason we say don't say full Hallel on every day of Pesach. It's just an extra Midrash.
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 11:27
Despite it's popularity, I don't think such a reason exists. Can you show that it does? AFAICT, the referenced opinion just explains why the one day that gets a full Hallel for the whole holiday of Pesach is day 1 not day 7 when we may have expected it bc of the song of the sea and the completion of the redemption. It is not a reason to not say full Hallel every day.
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 11:28
1
Did many Greeks die? They were expelled but I've never heard of any dying (I'm sure some did, it's just not very notable or important)
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 12:00
1
וקבעו שמונת ימי חנוכה אלו להודות ולהלל how could we imagine not saying Hallel all eight days when that's the whole point of the holiday?
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 12:13
Note that we do say whole Hallel on the first day(s) of Pesach, despite the death of the Egyptian firstborns that took place on the night of the fifteenth of Nissan.
– Joel K
Dec 6 at 4:44
Note that we do say whole Hallel on the first day(s) of Pesach, despite the death of the Egyptian firstborns that took place on the night of the fifteenth of Nissan.
– Joel K
Dec 6 at 4:44
1
1
Maybe because that's not the main reason we say don't say full Hallel on every day of Pesach. It's just an extra Midrash.
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 11:27
Maybe because that's not the main reason we say don't say full Hallel on every day of Pesach. It's just an extra Midrash.
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 11:27
Despite it's popularity, I don't think such a reason exists. Can you show that it does? AFAICT, the referenced opinion just explains why the one day that gets a full Hallel for the whole holiday of Pesach is day 1 not day 7 when we may have expected it bc of the song of the sea and the completion of the redemption. It is not a reason to not say full Hallel every day.
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 11:28
Despite it's popularity, I don't think such a reason exists. Can you show that it does? AFAICT, the referenced opinion just explains why the one day that gets a full Hallel for the whole holiday of Pesach is day 1 not day 7 when we may have expected it bc of the song of the sea and the completion of the redemption. It is not a reason to not say full Hallel every day.
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 11:28
1
1
Did many Greeks die? They were expelled but I've never heard of any dying (I'm sure some did, it's just not very notable or important)
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 12:00
Did many Greeks die? They were expelled but I've never heard of any dying (I'm sure some did, it's just not very notable or important)
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 12:00
1
1
וקבעו שמונת ימי חנוכה אלו להודות ולהלל how could we imagine not saying Hallel all eight days when that's the whole point of the holiday?
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 12:13
וקבעו שמונת ימי חנוכה אלו להודות ולהלל how could we imagine not saying Hallel all eight days when that's the whole point of the holiday?
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 12:13
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Aruch Hashulchan 683:
Chanukah is similar to Succas. Each day‘s sacrifices varied on Succas; each day’s candles are different one to the next. In that respect Hallel is also completed on Chanukah like Succas. As I wrote in 670:5, on account of the decrees, they couldn’t bring the Succas sacrifices, so Chanukah was established in place [at that time]. Therefore full Hallel is said just like on Succas.
בחנוכה גומרין את ההלל, משום דבכל יום נעשה בו נס בפך השמן. ועוד: דבכל יום חלוק בנרותיו, לפי המהדרין מן המהדרין, והוי כסוכות שחלוקים בקרבנות וגומרין את ההלל. ועוד: שהרי קורים בנשיאים, ובכל יום נשיא של יום זה חלוק משל חבירו. אם כן כל נשיא צריך לגמור ההלל על קרבנותיו (בית יוסף). ועוד: דכפי מה שכתבתי בסימן תרע, עשו שמונה ימי חנוכה תחת ימי הסוכות, שלא עשאו אז. וממילא דגומרין את ההלל כבחג הסוכות.
Beit Yosef 683:
Since each day’s amount of lights is different than the last, in that respect it is like Succas which has separate sacrifices each day [and has complete Hallel]. Also, since we read one of the princes each day, and each one needs to complete the Hallel for his sacrifice, it wouldn’t be right to have a different reading and not read the [whole] Hallel.
כל ח' ימי חנוכה גומרים את הלל בפ"ב דערכין (י:) מימרא דר' יוחנן משום ר"ש בן יהוצדק וכתוב בשבלי הלקט שהטעם משו' דחלוק בנרותיו כל יום חלוק משלפניו הרי הוא כחג שחלוק בקרבנותיו ועוד טעם אחר לפי שהנס נתחדש בכל יום ועוד שהרי קוראים בנשיאי' ובכל יום נשיא שלו חלוק משל חבירו אם כן כל נשיא צריך לגמור ההלל על קרבנותיו ואין ראוי לחדש קריאה בלא קריאת ההלל:
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Fine, but none of this addresses the Egyptians-dying aspect.
– msh210♦
Dec 6 at 6:31
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What if you don't follow the Mehadrin?
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 11:32
Then I’ll have to reference your comment above @DoubleAA
– Dr. Shmuel
Dec 6 at 18:07
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Aruch Hashulchan 683:
Chanukah is similar to Succas. Each day‘s sacrifices varied on Succas; each day’s candles are different one to the next. In that respect Hallel is also completed on Chanukah like Succas. As I wrote in 670:5, on account of the decrees, they couldn’t bring the Succas sacrifices, so Chanukah was established in place [at that time]. Therefore full Hallel is said just like on Succas.
בחנוכה גומרין את ההלל, משום דבכל יום נעשה בו נס בפך השמן. ועוד: דבכל יום חלוק בנרותיו, לפי המהדרין מן המהדרין, והוי כסוכות שחלוקים בקרבנות וגומרין את ההלל. ועוד: שהרי קורים בנשיאים, ובכל יום נשיא של יום זה חלוק משל חבירו. אם כן כל נשיא צריך לגמור ההלל על קרבנותיו (בית יוסף). ועוד: דכפי מה שכתבתי בסימן תרע, עשו שמונה ימי חנוכה תחת ימי הסוכות, שלא עשאו אז. וממילא דגומרין את ההלל כבחג הסוכות.
Beit Yosef 683:
Since each day’s amount of lights is different than the last, in that respect it is like Succas which has separate sacrifices each day [and has complete Hallel]. Also, since we read one of the princes each day, and each one needs to complete the Hallel for his sacrifice, it wouldn’t be right to have a different reading and not read the [whole] Hallel.
כל ח' ימי חנוכה גומרים את הלל בפ"ב דערכין (י:) מימרא דר' יוחנן משום ר"ש בן יהוצדק וכתוב בשבלי הלקט שהטעם משו' דחלוק בנרותיו כל יום חלוק משלפניו הרי הוא כחג שחלוק בקרבנותיו ועוד טעם אחר לפי שהנס נתחדש בכל יום ועוד שהרי קוראים בנשיאי' ובכל יום נשיא שלו חלוק משל חבירו אם כן כל נשיא צריך לגמור ההלל על קרבנותיו ואין ראוי לחדש קריאה בלא קריאת ההלל:
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Fine, but none of this addresses the Egyptians-dying aspect.
– msh210♦
Dec 6 at 6:31
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What if you don't follow the Mehadrin?
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 11:32
Then I’ll have to reference your comment above @DoubleAA
– Dr. Shmuel
Dec 6 at 18:07
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Aruch Hashulchan 683:
Chanukah is similar to Succas. Each day‘s sacrifices varied on Succas; each day’s candles are different one to the next. In that respect Hallel is also completed on Chanukah like Succas. As I wrote in 670:5, on account of the decrees, they couldn’t bring the Succas sacrifices, so Chanukah was established in place [at that time]. Therefore full Hallel is said just like on Succas.
בחנוכה גומרין את ההלל, משום דבכל יום נעשה בו נס בפך השמן. ועוד: דבכל יום חלוק בנרותיו, לפי המהדרין מן המהדרין, והוי כסוכות שחלוקים בקרבנות וגומרין את ההלל. ועוד: שהרי קורים בנשיאים, ובכל יום נשיא של יום זה חלוק משל חבירו. אם כן כל נשיא צריך לגמור ההלל על קרבנותיו (בית יוסף). ועוד: דכפי מה שכתבתי בסימן תרע, עשו שמונה ימי חנוכה תחת ימי הסוכות, שלא עשאו אז. וממילא דגומרין את ההלל כבחג הסוכות.
Beit Yosef 683:
Since each day’s amount of lights is different than the last, in that respect it is like Succas which has separate sacrifices each day [and has complete Hallel]. Also, since we read one of the princes each day, and each one needs to complete the Hallel for his sacrifice, it wouldn’t be right to have a different reading and not read the [whole] Hallel.
כל ח' ימי חנוכה גומרים את הלל בפ"ב דערכין (י:) מימרא דר' יוחנן משום ר"ש בן יהוצדק וכתוב בשבלי הלקט שהטעם משו' דחלוק בנרותיו כל יום חלוק משלפניו הרי הוא כחג שחלוק בקרבנותיו ועוד טעם אחר לפי שהנס נתחדש בכל יום ועוד שהרי קוראים בנשיאי' ובכל יום נשיא שלו חלוק משל חבירו אם כן כל נשיא צריך לגמור ההלל על קרבנותיו ואין ראוי לחדש קריאה בלא קריאת ההלל:
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Fine, but none of this addresses the Egyptians-dying aspect.
– msh210♦
Dec 6 at 6:31
1
What if you don't follow the Mehadrin?
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 11:32
Then I’ll have to reference your comment above @DoubleAA
– Dr. Shmuel
Dec 6 at 18:07
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Aruch Hashulchan 683:
Chanukah is similar to Succas. Each day‘s sacrifices varied on Succas; each day’s candles are different one to the next. In that respect Hallel is also completed on Chanukah like Succas. As I wrote in 670:5, on account of the decrees, they couldn’t bring the Succas sacrifices, so Chanukah was established in place [at that time]. Therefore full Hallel is said just like on Succas.
בחנוכה גומרין את ההלל, משום דבכל יום נעשה בו נס בפך השמן. ועוד: דבכל יום חלוק בנרותיו, לפי המהדרין מן המהדרין, והוי כסוכות שחלוקים בקרבנות וגומרין את ההלל. ועוד: שהרי קורים בנשיאים, ובכל יום נשיא של יום זה חלוק משל חבירו. אם כן כל נשיא צריך לגמור ההלל על קרבנותיו (בית יוסף). ועוד: דכפי מה שכתבתי בסימן תרע, עשו שמונה ימי חנוכה תחת ימי הסוכות, שלא עשאו אז. וממילא דגומרין את ההלל כבחג הסוכות.
Beit Yosef 683:
Since each day’s amount of lights is different than the last, in that respect it is like Succas which has separate sacrifices each day [and has complete Hallel]. Also, since we read one of the princes each day, and each one needs to complete the Hallel for his sacrifice, it wouldn’t be right to have a different reading and not read the [whole] Hallel.
כל ח' ימי חנוכה גומרים את הלל בפ"ב דערכין (י:) מימרא דר' יוחנן משום ר"ש בן יהוצדק וכתוב בשבלי הלקט שהטעם משו' דחלוק בנרותיו כל יום חלוק משלפניו הרי הוא כחג שחלוק בקרבנותיו ועוד טעם אחר לפי שהנס נתחדש בכל יום ועוד שהרי קוראים בנשיאי' ובכל יום נשיא שלו חלוק משל חבירו אם כן כל נשיא צריך לגמור ההלל על קרבנותיו ואין ראוי לחדש קריאה בלא קריאת ההלל:
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Aruch Hashulchan 683:
Chanukah is similar to Succas. Each day‘s sacrifices varied on Succas; each day’s candles are different one to the next. In that respect Hallel is also completed on Chanukah like Succas. As I wrote in 670:5, on account of the decrees, they couldn’t bring the Succas sacrifices, so Chanukah was established in place [at that time]. Therefore full Hallel is said just like on Succas.
בחנוכה גומרין את ההלל, משום דבכל יום נעשה בו נס בפך השמן. ועוד: דבכל יום חלוק בנרותיו, לפי המהדרין מן המהדרין, והוי כסוכות שחלוקים בקרבנות וגומרין את ההלל. ועוד: שהרי קורים בנשיאים, ובכל יום נשיא של יום זה חלוק משל חבירו. אם כן כל נשיא צריך לגמור ההלל על קרבנותיו (בית יוסף). ועוד: דכפי מה שכתבתי בסימן תרע, עשו שמונה ימי חנוכה תחת ימי הסוכות, שלא עשאו אז. וממילא דגומרין את ההלל כבחג הסוכות.
Beit Yosef 683:
Since each day’s amount of lights is different than the last, in that respect it is like Succas which has separate sacrifices each day [and has complete Hallel]. Also, since we read one of the princes each day, and each one needs to complete the Hallel for his sacrifice, it wouldn’t be right to have a different reading and not read the [whole] Hallel.
כל ח' ימי חנוכה גומרים את הלל בפ"ב דערכין (י:) מימרא דר' יוחנן משום ר"ש בן יהוצדק וכתוב בשבלי הלקט שהטעם משו' דחלוק בנרותיו כל יום חלוק משלפניו הרי הוא כחג שחלוק בקרבנותיו ועוד טעם אחר לפי שהנס נתחדש בכל יום ועוד שהרי קוראים בנשיאי' ובכל יום נשיא שלו חלוק משל חבירו אם כן כל נשיא צריך לגמור ההלל על קרבנותיו ואין ראוי לחדש קריאה בלא קריאת ההלל:
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Fine, but none of this addresses the Egyptians-dying aspect.
– msh210♦
Dec 6 at 6:31
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What if you don't follow the Mehadrin?
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 11:32
Then I’ll have to reference your comment above @DoubleAA
– Dr. Shmuel
Dec 6 at 18:07
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Fine, but none of this addresses the Egyptians-dying aspect.
– msh210♦
Dec 6 at 6:31
1
What if you don't follow the Mehadrin?
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 11:32
Then I’ll have to reference your comment above @DoubleAA
– Dr. Shmuel
Dec 6 at 18:07
1
1
Fine, but none of this addresses the Egyptians-dying aspect.
– msh210♦
Dec 6 at 6:31
Fine, but none of this addresses the Egyptians-dying aspect.
– msh210♦
Dec 6 at 6:31
1
1
What if you don't follow the Mehadrin?
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 11:32
What if you don't follow the Mehadrin?
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 11:32
Then I’ll have to reference your comment above @DoubleAA
– Dr. Shmuel
Dec 6 at 18:07
Then I’ll have to reference your comment above @DoubleAA
– Dr. Shmuel
Dec 6 at 18:07
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Note that we do say whole Hallel on the first day(s) of Pesach, despite the death of the Egyptian firstborns that took place on the night of the fifteenth of Nissan.
– Joel K
Dec 6 at 4:44
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Maybe because that's not the main reason we say don't say full Hallel on every day of Pesach. It's just an extra Midrash.
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 11:27
Despite it's popularity, I don't think such a reason exists. Can you show that it does? AFAICT, the referenced opinion just explains why the one day that gets a full Hallel for the whole holiday of Pesach is day 1 not day 7 when we may have expected it bc of the song of the sea and the completion of the redemption. It is not a reason to not say full Hallel every day.
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 11:28
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Did many Greeks die? They were expelled but I've never heard of any dying (I'm sure some did, it's just not very notable or important)
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 12:00
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וקבעו שמונת ימי חנוכה אלו להודות ולהלל how could we imagine not saying Hallel all eight days when that's the whole point of the holiday?
– Double AA♦
Dec 6 at 12:13