Omnispell Adept and Entrancing Melody
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I want to use Omnispell Adept's ability
2U, Tap: You may cast an instant or sorcery card from your hand without paying its mana cost.
to cast Entrancing Melody. Its effect reads
Gain control of target creature with converted mana cost X.
What is X for the effect on that card?
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I want to use Omnispell Adept's ability
2U, Tap: You may cast an instant or sorcery card from your hand without paying its mana cost.
to cast Entrancing Melody. Its effect reads
Gain control of target creature with converted mana cost X.
What is X for the effect on that card?
magic-the-gathering
edited Dec 9 at 6:06
BJ Myers
3,6361429
asked Dec 7 at 21:45
reatter
1926
add a comment |
up vote
3
down vote
favorite
up vote
3
down vote
favorite
I want to use Omnispell Adept's ability
2U, Tap: You may cast an instant or sorcery card from your hand without paying its mana cost.
to cast Entrancing Melody. Its effect reads
Gain control of target creature with converted mana cost X.
What is X for the effect on that card?
magic-the-gathering
edited Dec 9 at 6:06
BJ Myers
3,6361429
asked Dec 7 at 21:45
reatter
1926
I want to use Omnispell Adept's ability
2U, Tap: You may cast an instant or sorcery card from your hand without paying its mana cost.
to cast Entrancing Melody. Its effect reads
Gain control of target creature with converted mana cost X.
What is X for the effect on that card?
magic-the-gathering
magic-the-gathering
edited Dec 9 at 6:06
BJ Myers
3,6361429
asked Dec 7 at 21:45
reatter
1926
edited Dec 9 at 6:06
BJ Myers
3,6361429
asked Dec 7 at 21:45
reatter
1926
edited Dec 9 at 6:06
BJ Myers
3,6361429
edited Dec 9 at 6:06
BJ Myers
3,6361429
edited Dec 9 at 6:06
BJ Myers
3,6361429
3,6361429
asked Dec 7 at 21:45
reatter
1926
asked Dec 7 at 21:45
reatter
1926
asked Dec 7 at 21:45
reatter
1926
1926
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The value of X is chosen when the spell is cast.
But the only legal choice for X is zero in this case.
107.3b If a player is casting a spell that has an {X} in its mana cost, the value of X isn’t defined by the text of that spell, and an effect lets that player cast that spell while paying neither its mana cost nor an alternative cost that includes X, then the only legal choice for X is 0. This doesn’t apply to effects that only reduce a cost, even if they reduce it to zero. See rule 601, “Casting Spells.”
This is confirmed by a ruling on Omnispell Adept.
If a spell has {X} in its mana cost, you must choose 0 as the value of X when casting it without paying its mana cost.
edited Dec 9 at 6:05
BJ Myers
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answered Dec 8 at 2:14
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Unfortunately for you, X=0. The Comprehensive Rules state:
107.3b If a player is casting a spell that has an {X} in its mana cost, the value of X isn’t defined by the text of that spell, and an effect lets that player cast that spell while paying neither its mana cost nor an alternative cost that includes X, then the only legal choice for X is 0. This doesn’t apply to effects that only reduce a cost, even if they reduce it to zero. See rule 601, “Casting Spells.”
This is also mentioned in the Rulings under the card in Gatherer:
If a spell has {X} in its mana cost, you must choose 0 as the value of X when casting it without paying its mana cost.
answered Dec 7 at 21:49
Glorfindel
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@Arthur and ikegami, thanks, I've corrected my mistake.
– Glorfindel
Dec 8 at 8:56
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I just found the rules clarification on Omnispell Adapts:
If a spell has {X} in its mana cost, you must choose 0 as the value of X when casting it without paying its mana cost.
In that case, Omnispell Adapt can only cast Entrancing Melody for X=0, which makes the effect on both cards quite useless.
Except on targets like Endless One, because its cost is X=0, when targeted by Entrancing Melody...
edited Dec 8 at 2:14
ikegami
39.5k362133
answered Dec 7 at 21:49
reatter
1926
Token creatures also have a CMC of 0 (unless they're copies of a creature, in which case they have the cloned creature's CMC) so you can steal someone's Wurm token.
– Veskah
Dec 8 at 0:18
@Veskah Tokens have a CMC of whatever is defined by the ability that created the token; and if the ability doesn’t define it; then CMC is used. So it’s not automatically 0.
– GendoIkari
Dec 8 at 16:14
To be fair the only kinds of tokens that have CMC at the moment are tokens that are copies of things (including Embalm/Eternalize).
– doppelgreener
Dec 9 at 10:47
And embalm tokens are specifically given a cost of 0. Seems unlikely that they would ever print an ability that creates a token with a different specific assigned CMC; but they could.
– GendoIkari
Dec 9 at 16:47
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The value of X is chosen when the spell is cast.
But the only legal choice for X is zero in this case.
107.3b If a player is casting a spell that has an {X} in its mana cost, the value of X isn’t defined by the text of that spell, and an effect lets that player cast that spell while paying neither its mana cost nor an alternative cost that includes X, then the only legal choice for X is 0. This doesn’t apply to effects that only reduce a cost, even if they reduce it to zero. See rule 601, “Casting Spells.”
This is confirmed by a ruling on Omnispell Adept.
If a spell has {X} in its mana cost, you must choose 0 as the value of X when casting it without paying its mana cost.
edited Dec 9 at 6:05
BJ Myers
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answered Dec 8 at 2:14
ikegami
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up vote
10
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accepted
The value of X is chosen when the spell is cast.
But the only legal choice for X is zero in this case.
107.3b If a player is casting a spell that has an {X} in its mana cost, the value of X isn’t defined by the text of that spell, and an effect lets that player cast that spell while paying neither its mana cost nor an alternative cost that includes X, then the only legal choice for X is 0. This doesn’t apply to effects that only reduce a cost, even if they reduce it to zero. See rule 601, “Casting Spells.”
This is confirmed by a ruling on Omnispell Adept.
If a spell has {X} in its mana cost, you must choose 0 as the value of X when casting it without paying its mana cost.
edited Dec 9 at 6:05
BJ Myers
3,6361429
answered Dec 8 at 2:14
ikegami
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add a comment |
up vote
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accepted
up vote
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The value of X is chosen when the spell is cast.
But the only legal choice for X is zero in this case.
107.3b If a player is casting a spell that has an {X} in its mana cost, the value of X isn’t defined by the text of that spell, and an effect lets that player cast that spell while paying neither its mana cost nor an alternative cost that includes X, then the only legal choice for X is 0. This doesn’t apply to effects that only reduce a cost, even if they reduce it to zero. See rule 601, “Casting Spells.”
This is confirmed by a ruling on Omnispell Adept.
If a spell has {X} in its mana cost, you must choose 0 as the value of X when casting it without paying its mana cost.
edited Dec 9 at 6:05
BJ Myers
3,6361429
answered Dec 8 at 2:14
ikegami
39.5k362133
The value of X is chosen when the spell is cast.
But the only legal choice for X is zero in this case.
107.3b If a player is casting a spell that has an {X} in its mana cost, the value of X isn’t defined by the text of that spell, and an effect lets that player cast that spell while paying neither its mana cost nor an alternative cost that includes X, then the only legal choice for X is 0. This doesn’t apply to effects that only reduce a cost, even if they reduce it to zero. See rule 601, “Casting Spells.”
This is confirmed by a ruling on Omnispell Adept.
If a spell has {X} in its mana cost, you must choose 0 as the value of X when casting it without paying its mana cost.
edited Dec 9 at 6:05
BJ Myers
3,6361429
answered Dec 8 at 2:14
ikegami
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edited Dec 9 at 6:05
BJ Myers
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edited Dec 9 at 6:05
BJ Myers
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BJ Myers
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answered Dec 8 at 2:14
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Unfortunately for you, X=0. The Comprehensive Rules state:
107.3b If a player is casting a spell that has an {X} in its mana cost, the value of X isn’t defined by the text of that spell, and an effect lets that player cast that spell while paying neither its mana cost nor an alternative cost that includes X, then the only legal choice for X is 0. This doesn’t apply to effects that only reduce a cost, even if they reduce it to zero. See rule 601, “Casting Spells.”
This is also mentioned in the Rulings under the card in Gatherer:
If a spell has {X} in its mana cost, you must choose 0 as the value of X when casting it without paying its mana cost.
answered Dec 7 at 21:49
Glorfindel
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@Arthur and ikegami, thanks, I've corrected my mistake.
– Glorfindel
Dec 8 at 8:56
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up vote
5
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Unfortunately for you, X=0. The Comprehensive Rules state:
107.3b If a player is casting a spell that has an {X} in its mana cost, the value of X isn’t defined by the text of that spell, and an effect lets that player cast that spell while paying neither its mana cost nor an alternative cost that includes X, then the only legal choice for X is 0. This doesn’t apply to effects that only reduce a cost, even if they reduce it to zero. See rule 601, “Casting Spells.”
This is also mentioned in the Rulings under the card in Gatherer:
If a spell has {X} in its mana cost, you must choose 0 as the value of X when casting it without paying its mana cost.
answered Dec 7 at 21:49
Glorfindel
1,8261824
@Arthur and ikegami, thanks, I've corrected my mistake.
– Glorfindel
Dec 8 at 8:56
add a comment |
up vote
5
down vote
up vote
5
down vote
Unfortunately for you, X=0. The Comprehensive Rules state:
107.3b If a player is casting a spell that has an {X} in its mana cost, the value of X isn’t defined by the text of that spell, and an effect lets that player cast that spell while paying neither its mana cost nor an alternative cost that includes X, then the only legal choice for X is 0. This doesn’t apply to effects that only reduce a cost, even if they reduce it to zero. See rule 601, “Casting Spells.”
This is also mentioned in the Rulings under the card in Gatherer:
If a spell has {X} in its mana cost, you must choose 0 as the value of X when casting it without paying its mana cost.
answered Dec 7 at 21:49
Glorfindel
1,8261824
Unfortunately for you, X=0. The Comprehensive Rules state:
107.3b If a player is casting a spell that has an {X} in its mana cost, the value of X isn’t defined by the text of that spell, and an effect lets that player cast that spell while paying neither its mana cost nor an alternative cost that includes X, then the only legal choice for X is 0. This doesn’t apply to effects that only reduce a cost, even if they reduce it to zero. See rule 601, “Casting Spells.”
This is also mentioned in the Rulings under the card in Gatherer:
If a spell has {X} in its mana cost, you must choose 0 as the value of X when casting it without paying its mana cost.
answered Dec 7 at 21:49
Glorfindel
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edited Dec 8 at 8:55
answered Dec 7 at 21:49
Glorfindel
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answered Dec 7 at 21:49
Glorfindel
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answered Dec 7 at 21:49
Glorfindel
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1,8261824
@Arthur and ikegami, thanks, I've corrected my mistake.
– Glorfindel
Dec 8 at 8:56
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@Arthur and ikegami, thanks, I've corrected my mistake.
– Glorfindel
Dec 8 at 8:56
@Arthur and ikegami, thanks, I've corrected my mistake.
– Glorfindel
Dec 8 at 8:56
@Arthur and ikegami, thanks, I've corrected my mistake.
– Glorfindel
Dec 8 at 8:56
add a comment |
up vote
2
down vote
I just found the rules clarification on Omnispell Adapts:
If a spell has {X} in its mana cost, you must choose 0 as the value of X when casting it without paying its mana cost.
In that case, Omnispell Adapt can only cast Entrancing Melody for X=0, which makes the effect on both cards quite useless.
Except on targets like Endless One, because its cost is X=0, when targeted by Entrancing Melody...
edited Dec 8 at 2:14
ikegami
39.5k362133
answered Dec 7 at 21:49
reatter
1926
Token creatures also have a CMC of 0 (unless they're copies of a creature, in which case they have the cloned creature's CMC) so you can steal someone's Wurm token.
– Veskah
Dec 8 at 0:18
@Veskah Tokens have a CMC of whatever is defined by the ability that created the token; and if the ability doesn’t define it; then CMC is used. So it’s not automatically 0.
– GendoIkari
Dec 8 at 16:14
To be fair the only kinds of tokens that have CMC at the moment are tokens that are copies of things (including Embalm/Eternalize).
– doppelgreener
Dec 9 at 10:47
And embalm tokens are specifically given a cost of 0. Seems unlikely that they would ever print an ability that creates a token with a different specific assigned CMC; but they could.
– GendoIkari
Dec 9 at 16:47
add a comment |
up vote
2
down vote
I just found the rules clarification on Omnispell Adapts:
If a spell has {X} in its mana cost, you must choose 0 as the value of X when casting it without paying its mana cost.
In that case, Omnispell Adapt can only cast Entrancing Melody for X=0, which makes the effect on both cards quite useless.
Except on targets like Endless One, because its cost is X=0, when targeted by Entrancing Melody...
edited Dec 8 at 2:14
ikegami
39.5k362133
answered Dec 7 at 21:49
reatter
1926
Token creatures also have a CMC of 0 (unless they're copies of a creature, in which case they have the cloned creature's CMC) so you can steal someone's Wurm token.
– Veskah
Dec 8 at 0:18
@Veskah Tokens have a CMC of whatever is defined by the ability that created the token; and if the ability doesn’t define it; then CMC is used. So it’s not automatically 0.
– GendoIkari
Dec 8 at 16:14
To be fair the only kinds of tokens that have CMC at the moment are tokens that are copies of things (including Embalm/Eternalize).
– doppelgreener
Dec 9 at 10:47
And embalm tokens are specifically given a cost of 0. Seems unlikely that they would ever print an ability that creates a token with a different specific assigned CMC; but they could.
– GendoIkari
Dec 9 at 16:47
add a comment |
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
I just found the rules clarification on Omnispell Adapts:
If a spell has {X} in its mana cost, you must choose 0 as the value of X when casting it without paying its mana cost.
In that case, Omnispell Adapt can only cast Entrancing Melody for X=0, which makes the effect on both cards quite useless.
Except on targets like Endless One, because its cost is X=0, when targeted by Entrancing Melody...
edited Dec 8 at 2:14
ikegami
39.5k362133
answered Dec 7 at 21:49
reatter
1926
I just found the rules clarification on Omnispell Adapts:
If a spell has {X} in its mana cost, you must choose 0 as the value of X when casting it without paying its mana cost.
In that case, Omnispell Adapt can only cast Entrancing Melody for X=0, which makes the effect on both cards quite useless.
Except on targets like Endless One, because its cost is X=0, when targeted by Entrancing Melody...
edited Dec 8 at 2:14
ikegami
39.5k362133
answered Dec 7 at 21:49
reatter
1926
edited Dec 8 at 2:14
ikegami
39.5k362133
edited Dec 8 at 2:14
ikegami
39.5k362133
edited Dec 8 at 2:14
ikegami
39.5k362133
39.5k362133
answered Dec 7 at 21:49
reatter
1926
answered Dec 7 at 21:49
reatter
1926
answered Dec 7 at 21:49
reatter
1926
1926
Token creatures also have a CMC of 0 (unless they're copies of a creature, in which case they have the cloned creature's CMC) so you can steal someone's Wurm token.
– Veskah
Dec 8 at 0:18
@Veskah Tokens have a CMC of whatever is defined by the ability that created the token; and if the ability doesn’t define it; then CMC is used. So it’s not automatically 0.
– GendoIkari
Dec 8 at 16:14
To be fair the only kinds of tokens that have CMC at the moment are tokens that are copies of things (including Embalm/Eternalize).
– doppelgreener
Dec 9 at 10:47
And embalm tokens are specifically given a cost of 0. Seems unlikely that they would ever print an ability that creates a token with a different specific assigned CMC; but they could.
– GendoIkari
Dec 9 at 16:47
add a comment |
Token creatures also have a CMC of 0 (unless they're copies of a creature, in which case they have the cloned creature's CMC) so you can steal someone's Wurm token.
– Veskah
Dec 8 at 0:18
@Veskah Tokens have a CMC of whatever is defined by the ability that created the token; and if the ability doesn’t define it; then CMC is used. So it’s not automatically 0.
– GendoIkari
Dec 8 at 16:14
To be fair the only kinds of tokens that have CMC at the moment are tokens that are copies of things (including Embalm/Eternalize).
– doppelgreener
Dec 9 at 10:47
And embalm tokens are specifically given a cost of 0. Seems unlikely that they would ever print an ability that creates a token with a different specific assigned CMC; but they could.
– GendoIkari
Dec 9 at 16:47
Token creatures also have a CMC of 0 (unless they're copies of a creature, in which case they have the cloned creature's CMC) so you can steal someone's Wurm token.
– Veskah
Dec 8 at 0:18
Token creatures also have a CMC of 0 (unless they're copies of a creature, in which case they have the cloned creature's CMC) so you can steal someone's Wurm token.
– Veskah
Dec 8 at 0:18
@Veskah Tokens have a CMC of whatever is defined by the ability that created the token; and if the ability doesn’t define it; then CMC is used. So it’s not automatically 0.
– GendoIkari
Dec 8 at 16:14
@Veskah Tokens have a CMC of whatever is defined by the ability that created the token; and if the ability doesn’t define it; then CMC is used. So it’s not automatically 0.
– GendoIkari
Dec 8 at 16:14
To be fair the only kinds of tokens that have CMC at the moment are tokens that are copies of things (including Embalm/Eternalize).
– doppelgreener
Dec 9 at 10:47
To be fair the only kinds of tokens that have CMC at the moment are tokens that are copies of things (including Embalm/Eternalize).
– doppelgreener
Dec 9 at 10:47
And embalm tokens are specifically given a cost of 0. Seems unlikely that they would ever print an ability that creates a token with a different specific assigned CMC; but they could.
– GendoIkari
Dec 9 at 16:47
And embalm tokens are specifically given a cost of 0. Seems unlikely that they would ever print an ability that creates a token with a different specific assigned CMC; but they could.
– GendoIkari
Dec 9 at 16:47
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