How to give Java the permissions to run a raw socket(Ping) [No-Solution] [closed]

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I have a Java library which runs the Ping command, however Java doesn't run the Ping command properly since it doesn't have the permissions to do so, even though I can ping in my terminal without root or su.

I would prefer if the answer did not involve the use of letting the app use root or su since I would not want to allow my app to become a vulnerability.

(I would like to look into the possibility of invoking a separate service user that holds those permissions, however that is not my question.)

Sorry, I'm new to linux.

edited Feb 11 at 2:04

asked Feb 7 at 21:04

TheSouthernSanta

closed as too broad by DavidPostill♦ Feb 7 at 21:12

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ll /bin/ping says -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 44168 May 7 2014 /bin/ping* so ping has a SUID bit set and runs as root.

– xenoid
Feb 7 at 21:50

(1) In case you don’t understand xenoid’s comment: In Unix, a process must be running as root to manipulate raw sockets. The reason why you (as an unprivileged user) can successfully run ping from the command line is that the ping process runs as root. (2) You seem to be confusing yourself with terminology. If you “have a Java library which runs the Ping command”, then it isn’t using raw sockets. Conversely, libraries like icmp4j that do ICMP echo requests don’t run the ping command. … (Cont’d)

– Scott
Feb 8 at 6:01

(Cont’d) … (3) Actually running the ping command (program) from your app may be the solution — see Ping value in Java.

– Scott
Feb 8 at 6:02

Thanks for explaining that for me Scott. Yeah, logging in today to read my comments I was confused with xenoid's comment. But that makes total sense. Funny you bring up icmp4j because that's the exact library I was referring to. I'll probably just ignore trying to send ICMP pings for my project.

– TheSouthernSanta
Feb 11 at 1:20

I looked into the source code of icmp4j and under their utils folder, they have a ProcessUtil class which does indeed run a ping command under Runtime.exec(). Alas there is no way to actually run a ping within java without being root or giving Java some sketchy SUID perms.

– TheSouthernSanta
Feb 11 at 2:01

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I would prefer if the answer did not involve the use of letting the app use root or su since I would not want to allow my app to become a vulnerability.

(I would like to look into the possibility of invoking a separate service user that holds those permissions, however that is not my question.)

Sorry, I'm new to linux.

edited Feb 11 at 2:04

asked Feb 7 at 21:04

TheSouthernSanta

closed as too broad by DavidPostill♦ Feb 7 at 21:12

ll /bin/ping says -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 44168 May 7 2014 /bin/ping* so ping has a SUID bit set and runs as root.

– xenoid
Feb 7 at 21:50

(1) In case you don’t understand xenoid’s comment: In Unix, a process must be running as root to manipulate raw sockets. The reason why you (as an unprivileged user) can successfully run ping from the command line is that the ping process runs as root. (2) You seem to be confusing yourself with terminology. If you “have a Java library which runs the Ping command”, then it isn’t using raw sockets. Conversely, libraries like icmp4j that do ICMP echo requests don’t run the ping command. … (Cont’d)

– Scott
Feb 8 at 6:01

(Cont’d) … (3) Actually running the ping command (program) from your app may be the solution — see Ping value in Java.

– Scott
Feb 8 at 6:02

Thanks for explaining that for me Scott. Yeah, logging in today to read my comments I was confused with xenoid's comment. But that makes total sense. Funny you bring up icmp4j because that's the exact library I was referring to. I'll probably just ignore trying to send ICMP pings for my project.

– TheSouthernSanta
Feb 11 at 1:20

I looked into the source code of icmp4j and under their utils folder, they have a ProcessUtil class which does indeed run a ping command under Runtime.exec(). Alas there is no way to actually run a ping within java without being root or giving Java some sketchy SUID perms.

– TheSouthernSanta
Feb 11 at 2:01

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I would prefer if the answer did not involve the use of letting the app use root or su since I would not want to allow my app to become a vulnerability.

(I would like to look into the possibility of invoking a separate service user that holds those permissions, however that is not my question.)

Sorry, I'm new to linux.

edited Feb 11 at 2:04

asked Feb 7 at 21:04

TheSouthernSanta

I would prefer if the answer did not involve the use of letting the app use root or su since I would not want to allow my app to become a vulnerability.

(I would like to look into the possibility of invoking a separate service user that holds those permissions, however that is not my question.)

Sorry, I'm new to linux.

linux permissions java ping

edited Feb 11 at 2:04

asked Feb 7 at 21:04

TheSouthernSanta

edited Feb 11 at 2:04

asked Feb 7 at 21:04

TheSouthernSanta

edited Feb 11 at 2:04

asked Feb 7 at 21:04

TheSouthernSanta

asked Feb 7 at 21:04

TheSouthernSanta

asked Feb 7 at 21:04

TheSouthernSanta

closed as too broad by DavidPostill♦ Feb 7 at 21:12

ll /bin/ping says -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 44168 May 7 2014 /bin/ping* so ping has a SUID bit set and runs as root.

– xenoid
Feb 7 at 21:50

(1) In case you don’t understand xenoid’s comment: In Unix, a process must be running as root to manipulate raw sockets. The reason why you (as an unprivileged user) can successfully run ping from the command line is that the ping process runs as root. (2) You seem to be confusing yourself with terminology. If you “have a Java library which runs the Ping command”, then it isn’t using raw sockets. Conversely, libraries like icmp4j that do ICMP echo requests don’t run the ping command. … (Cont’d)

– Scott
Feb 8 at 6:01

(Cont’d) … (3) Actually running the ping command (program) from your app may be the solution — see Ping value in Java.

– Scott
Feb 8 at 6:02

Thanks for explaining that for me Scott. Yeah, logging in today to read my comments I was confused with xenoid's comment. But that makes total sense. Funny you bring up icmp4j because that's the exact library I was referring to. I'll probably just ignore trying to send ICMP pings for my project.

– TheSouthernSanta
Feb 11 at 1:20

I looked into the source code of icmp4j and under their utils folder, they have a ProcessUtil class which does indeed run a ping command under Runtime.exec(). Alas there is no way to actually run a ping within java without being root or giving Java some sketchy SUID perms.

– TheSouthernSanta
Feb 11 at 2:01

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ll /bin/ping says -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 44168 May 7 2014 /bin/ping* so ping has a SUID bit set and runs as root.

– xenoid
Feb 7 at 21:50

(1) In case you don’t understand xenoid’s comment: In Unix, a process must be running as root to manipulate raw sockets. The reason why you (as an unprivileged user) can successfully run ping from the command line is that the ping process runs as root. (2) You seem to be confusing yourself with terminology. If you “have a Java library which runs the Ping command”, then it isn’t using raw sockets. Conversely, libraries like icmp4j that do ICMP echo requests don’t run the ping command. … (Cont’d)

– Scott
Feb 8 at 6:01

(Cont’d) … (3) Actually running the ping command (program) from your app may be the solution — see Ping value in Java.

– Scott
Feb 8 at 6:02

Thanks for explaining that for me Scott. Yeah, logging in today to read my comments I was confused with xenoid's comment. But that makes total sense. Funny you bring up icmp4j because that's the exact library I was referring to. I'll probably just ignore trying to send ICMP pings for my project.

– TheSouthernSanta
Feb 11 at 1:20

I looked into the source code of icmp4j and under their utils folder, they have a ProcessUtil class which does indeed run a ping command under Runtime.exec(). Alas there is no way to actually run a ping within java without being root or giving Java some sketchy SUID perms.

– TheSouthernSanta
Feb 11 at 2:01

ll /bin/ping says -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 44168 May 7 2014 /bin/ping* so ping has a SUID bit set and runs as root.

– xenoid
Feb 7 at 21:50

(1) In case you don’t understand xenoid’s comment: In Unix, a process must be running as root to manipulate raw sockets. The reason why you (as an unprivileged user) can successfully run ping from the command line is that the ping process runs as root. (2) You seem to be confusing yourself with terminology. If you “have a Java library which runs the Ping command”, then it isn’t using raw sockets. Conversely, libraries like icmp4j that do ICMP echo requests don’t run the ping command. … (Cont’d)

– Scott
Feb 8 at 6:01

(Cont’d) … (3) Actually running the ping command (program) from your app may be the solution — see Ping value in Java.

– Scott
Feb 8 at 6:02

Thanks for explaining that for me Scott. Yeah, logging in today to read my comments I was confused with xenoid's comment. But that makes total sense. Funny you bring up icmp4j because that's the exact library I was referring to. I'll probably just ignore trying to send ICMP pings for my project.

– TheSouthernSanta
Feb 11 at 1:20

I looked into the source code of icmp4j and under their utils folder, they have a ProcessUtil class which does indeed run a ping command under Runtime.exec(). Alas there is no way to actually run a ping within java without being root or giving Java some sketchy SUID perms.

– TheSouthernSanta
Feb 11 at 2:01

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