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I currently have a huge problem. Normally when you leave school in my country (Germany) you do a training for a specific job or start studying. Well I decided to try my, or let's say our, own way and started to be self-employed together with my parents. We started to be successful at first, but then it slowly went to financial crisis.



I early on found out that this concept won't be my future as I was bound into the family and all the problems that I and my other siblings who walked the "normal way" normally did not have "insight into" and as you can guess, if there were financial problems, I also received no money "because the family needs it". Therefore my motivation went to 0 quickly. But I started to continue doing my own thing and went into developing and creative work. I had the problem that I started many things but did not really finish them. I earned some bucks and also "respect" from companies for several things but in "special places" where they do not offer jobs.



And now my current situation. All the jobs I want to apply for want an application. I tried to ask for an internship but it ends up with "send us an application, we will look into it." The problem is: My application is shit. I cannot show exactly what I did, because there's nothing I've finished. I thought about creating a creative application with photoshop or some graphics, at other places I wanted to apply with a website but there I would use a bought template.



I had / have a chance to launch my first own project, but now I need to look for an apartment because we as a family again have financial problems and live in a small space where I'm extremely stressed and get to bed sometimes crying because I feel overwhelmed. Partly because of family issues and I partly problems with depression and worse, which makes it even harder (but I don't want to get deeper into this). I love being alone so I would love to have a very small apartment for myself. But till today there was always something preventing me to get one. So I am thinking to accept "any job" to get my own apartment and from there on continue my life.



So now to my question, you might have experienced similar issues: How can I apply in the best way? Does it sound bad if I tell the employer that in the last years I did nothing professionally but that I am ready to learn new things? And should I also go for "higher jobs"? And how can I overcome having low self confidence? When there's an opportunity, I always tell myself that I am too bad for it, they will find better guys and I cannot do this job or I do not have enough qualities for this. I really get nervous thinking about working at a job and not being good enough and then maybe even getting fired. And I look up to the team and see how experienced they all are, what school they visited and then there's me. I saw an offer for example for a level 1-2 support, which would be great because I work on a computer (what I like more than in a factory or store) but they for example require a training as mentioned above.










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    I would also add that you write in English (maybe even speak a bit?) that is an advantage you have that many people do not!

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    "And how can I overcome having low self confidence?" @Mark, nowadays there are specific, actual, methods and technologies to overcome low self-confidence. Over the last 50 years or so this has actually been worked-out. Simply google "Books on overcoming low self-confidence". I urge you to pick say 7 of such books and seriously study them. It's easy to find ........ nerdycreator.com/bookclub/top-10-self-esteem-books Enjoy! You are a couple of books study away from the solution.

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    For 10 euros you can change your life .. amazon.com/Days-Self-Esteem-David-M-D-Burns/dp/0688094554 You have to do the work though! Cheers

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    15 hours ago






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    Sounds like you are into web end user visual design (if one even desires such segmenting) which is very hard area, even highly functional areas which should require pure educationing and expertise, often turns into a bushwazee rat race, so I can imagine what a more artistical, "design" area would be like. I imagine its completely who you know and yes about money. Because there is limited supply of websites willing to pay for such things, and the fact that with templates and what not, just about anyone can produce a valid design.

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    Sure, self-help books can change your life … if you are the guy who writes the book, and pockets the dollars from the suckers who buy it thinking it will change their life.

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I currently have a huge problem. Normally when you leave school in my country (Germany) you do a training for a specific job or start studying. Well I decided to try my, or let's say our, own way and started to be self-employed together with my parents. We started to be successful at first, but then it slowly went to financial crisis.



I early on found out that this concept won't be my future as I was bound into the family and all the problems that I and my other siblings who walked the "normal way" normally did not have "insight into" and as you can guess, if there were financial problems, I also received no money "because the family needs it". Therefore my motivation went to 0 quickly. But I started to continue doing my own thing and went into developing and creative work. I had the problem that I started many things but did not really finish them. I earned some bucks and also "respect" from companies for several things but in "special places" where they do not offer jobs.



And now my current situation. All the jobs I want to apply for want an application. I tried to ask for an internship but it ends up with "send us an application, we will look into it." The problem is: My application is shit. I cannot show exactly what I did, because there's nothing I've finished. I thought about creating a creative application with photoshop or some graphics, at other places I wanted to apply with a website but there I would use a bought template.



I had / have a chance to launch my first own project, but now I need to look for an apartment because we as a family again have financial problems and live in a small space where I'm extremely stressed and get to bed sometimes crying because I feel overwhelmed. Partly because of family issues and I partly problems with depression and worse, which makes it even harder (but I don't want to get deeper into this). I love being alone so I would love to have a very small apartment for myself. But till today there was always something preventing me to get one. So I am thinking to accept "any job" to get my own apartment and from there on continue my life.



So now to my question, you might have experienced similar issues: How can I apply in the best way? Does it sound bad if I tell the employer that in the last years I did nothing professionally but that I am ready to learn new things? And should I also go for "higher jobs"? And how can I overcome having low self confidence? When there's an opportunity, I always tell myself that I am too bad for it, they will find better guys and I cannot do this job or I do not have enough qualities for this. I really get nervous thinking about working at a job and not being good enough and then maybe even getting fired. And I look up to the team and see how experienced they all are, what school they visited and then there's me. I saw an offer for example for a level 1-2 support, which would be great because I work on a computer (what I like more than in a factory or store) but they for example require a training as mentioned above.










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    – ChrisR
    15 hours ago






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    "And how can I overcome having low self confidence?" @Mark, nowadays there are specific, actual, methods and technologies to overcome low self-confidence. Over the last 50 years or so this has actually been worked-out. Simply google "Books on overcoming low self-confidence". I urge you to pick say 7 of such books and seriously study them. It's easy to find ........ nerdycreator.com/bookclub/top-10-self-esteem-books Enjoy! You are a couple of books study away from the solution.

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    For 10 euros you can change your life .. amazon.com/Days-Self-Esteem-David-M-D-Burns/dp/0688094554 You have to do the work though! Cheers

    – Fattie
    15 hours ago






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    Sounds like you are into web end user visual design (if one even desires such segmenting) which is very hard area, even highly functional areas which should require pure educationing and expertise, often turns into a bushwazee rat race, so I can imagine what a more artistical, "design" area would be like. I imagine its completely who you know and yes about money. Because there is limited supply of websites willing to pay for such things, and the fact that with templates and what not, just about anyone can produce a valid design.

    – marshal craft
    9 hours ago






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I currently have a huge problem. Normally when you leave school in my country (Germany) you do a training for a specific job or start studying. Well I decided to try my, or let's say our, own way and started to be self-employed together with my parents. We started to be successful at first, but then it slowly went to financial crisis.



I early on found out that this concept won't be my future as I was bound into the family and all the problems that I and my other siblings who walked the "normal way" normally did not have "insight into" and as you can guess, if there were financial problems, I also received no money "because the family needs it". Therefore my motivation went to 0 quickly. But I started to continue doing my own thing and went into developing and creative work. I had the problem that I started many things but did not really finish them. I earned some bucks and also "respect" from companies for several things but in "special places" where they do not offer jobs.



And now my current situation. All the jobs I want to apply for want an application. I tried to ask for an internship but it ends up with "send us an application, we will look into it." The problem is: My application is shit. I cannot show exactly what I did, because there's nothing I've finished. I thought about creating a creative application with photoshop or some graphics, at other places I wanted to apply with a website but there I would use a bought template.



I had / have a chance to launch my first own project, but now I need to look for an apartment because we as a family again have financial problems and live in a small space where I'm extremely stressed and get to bed sometimes crying because I feel overwhelmed. Partly because of family issues and I partly problems with depression and worse, which makes it even harder (but I don't want to get deeper into this). I love being alone so I would love to have a very small apartment for myself. But till today there was always something preventing me to get one. So I am thinking to accept "any job" to get my own apartment and from there on continue my life.



So now to my question, you might have experienced similar issues: How can I apply in the best way? Does it sound bad if I tell the employer that in the last years I did nothing professionally but that I am ready to learn new things? And should I also go for "higher jobs"? And how can I overcome having low self confidence? When there's an opportunity, I always tell myself that I am too bad for it, they will find better guys and I cannot do this job or I do not have enough qualities for this. I really get nervous thinking about working at a job and not being good enough and then maybe even getting fired. And I look up to the team and see how experienced they all are, what school they visited and then there's me. I saw an offer for example for a level 1-2 support, which would be great because I work on a computer (what I like more than in a factory or store) but they for example require a training as mentioned above.










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I currently have a huge problem. Normally when you leave school in my country (Germany) you do a training for a specific job or start studying. Well I decided to try my, or let's say our, own way and started to be self-employed together with my parents. We started to be successful at first, but then it slowly went to financial crisis.



I early on found out that this concept won't be my future as I was bound into the family and all the problems that I and my other siblings who walked the "normal way" normally did not have "insight into" and as you can guess, if there were financial problems, I also received no money "because the family needs it". Therefore my motivation went to 0 quickly. But I started to continue doing my own thing and went into developing and creative work. I had the problem that I started many things but did not really finish them. I earned some bucks and also "respect" from companies for several things but in "special places" where they do not offer jobs.



And now my current situation. All the jobs I want to apply for want an application. I tried to ask for an internship but it ends up with "send us an application, we will look into it." The problem is: My application is shit. I cannot show exactly what I did, because there's nothing I've finished. I thought about creating a creative application with photoshop or some graphics, at other places I wanted to apply with a website but there I would use a bought template.



I had / have a chance to launch my first own project, but now I need to look for an apartment because we as a family again have financial problems and live in a small space where I'm extremely stressed and get to bed sometimes crying because I feel overwhelmed. Partly because of family issues and I partly problems with depression and worse, which makes it even harder (but I don't want to get deeper into this). I love being alone so I would love to have a very small apartment for myself. But till today there was always something preventing me to get one. So I am thinking to accept "any job" to get my own apartment and from there on continue my life.



So now to my question, you might have experienced similar issues: How can I apply in the best way? Does it sound bad if I tell the employer that in the last years I did nothing professionally but that I am ready to learn new things? And should I also go for "higher jobs"? And how can I overcome having low self confidence? When there's an opportunity, I always tell myself that I am too bad for it, they will find better guys and I cannot do this job or I do not have enough qualities for this. I really get nervous thinking about working at a job and not being good enough and then maybe even getting fired. And I look up to the team and see how experienced they all are, what school they visited and then there's me. I saw an offer for example for a level 1-2 support, which would be great because I work on a computer (what I like more than in a factory or store) but they for example require a training as mentioned above.







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    I would also add that you write in English (maybe even speak a bit?) that is an advantage you have that many people do not!

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    "And how can I overcome having low self confidence?" @Mark, nowadays there are specific, actual, methods and technologies to overcome low self-confidence. Over the last 50 years or so this has actually been worked-out. Simply google "Books on overcoming low self-confidence". I urge you to pick say 7 of such books and seriously study them. It's easy to find ........ nerdycreator.com/bookclub/top-10-self-esteem-books Enjoy! You are a couple of books study away from the solution.

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    For 10 euros you can change your life .. amazon.com/Days-Self-Esteem-David-M-D-Burns/dp/0688094554 You have to do the work though! Cheers

    – Fattie
    15 hours ago






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    Sounds like you are into web end user visual design (if one even desires such segmenting) which is very hard area, even highly functional areas which should require pure educationing and expertise, often turns into a bushwazee rat race, so I can imagine what a more artistical, "design" area would be like. I imagine its completely who you know and yes about money. Because there is limited supply of websites willing to pay for such things, and the fact that with templates and what not, just about anyone can produce a valid design.

    – marshal craft
    9 hours ago






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    Sure, self-help books can change your life … if you are the guy who writes the book, and pockets the dollars from the suckers who buy it thinking it will change their life.

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    I would also add that you write in English (maybe even speak a bit?) that is an advantage you have that many people do not!

    – ChrisR
    15 hours ago






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    "And how can I overcome having low self confidence?" @Mark, nowadays there are specific, actual, methods and technologies to overcome low self-confidence. Over the last 50 years or so this has actually been worked-out. Simply google "Books on overcoming low self-confidence". I urge you to pick say 7 of such books and seriously study them. It's easy to find ........ nerdycreator.com/bookclub/top-10-self-esteem-books Enjoy! You are a couple of books study away from the solution.

    – Fattie
    15 hours ago






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    For 10 euros you can change your life .. amazon.com/Days-Self-Esteem-David-M-D-Burns/dp/0688094554 You have to do the work though! Cheers

    – Fattie
    15 hours ago






  • 2





    Sounds like you are into web end user visual design (if one even desires such segmenting) which is very hard area, even highly functional areas which should require pure educationing and expertise, often turns into a bushwazee rat race, so I can imagine what a more artistical, "design" area would be like. I imagine its completely who you know and yes about money. Because there is limited supply of websites willing to pay for such things, and the fact that with templates and what not, just about anyone can produce a valid design.

    – marshal craft
    9 hours ago






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    Sure, self-help books can change your life … if you are the guy who writes the book, and pockets the dollars from the suckers who buy it thinking it will change their life.

    – alephzero
    8 hours ago








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I would also add that you write in English (maybe even speak a bit?) that is an advantage you have that many people do not!

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I would also add that you write in English (maybe even speak a bit?) that is an advantage you have that many people do not!

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"And how can I overcome having low self confidence?" @Mark, nowadays there are specific, actual, methods and technologies to overcome low self-confidence. Over the last 50 years or so this has actually been worked-out. Simply google "Books on overcoming low self-confidence". I urge you to pick say 7 of such books and seriously study them. It's easy to find ........ nerdycreator.com/bookclub/top-10-self-esteem-books Enjoy! You are a couple of books study away from the solution.

– Fattie
15 hours ago





"And how can I overcome having low self confidence?" @Mark, nowadays there are specific, actual, methods and technologies to overcome low self-confidence. Over the last 50 years or so this has actually been worked-out. Simply google "Books on overcoming low self-confidence". I urge you to pick say 7 of such books and seriously study them. It's easy to find ........ nerdycreator.com/bookclub/top-10-self-esteem-books Enjoy! You are a couple of books study away from the solution.

– Fattie
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For 10 euros you can change your life .. amazon.com/Days-Self-Esteem-David-M-D-Burns/dp/0688094554 You have to do the work though! Cheers

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For 10 euros you can change your life .. amazon.com/Days-Self-Esteem-David-M-D-Burns/dp/0688094554 You have to do the work though! Cheers

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Sounds like you are into web end user visual design (if one even desires such segmenting) which is very hard area, even highly functional areas which should require pure educationing and expertise, often turns into a bushwazee rat race, so I can imagine what a more artistical, "design" area would be like. I imagine its completely who you know and yes about money. Because there is limited supply of websites willing to pay for such things, and the fact that with templates and what not, just about anyone can produce a valid design.

– marshal craft
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Sounds like you are into web end user visual design (if one even desires such segmenting) which is very hard area, even highly functional areas which should require pure educationing and expertise, often turns into a bushwazee rat race, so I can imagine what a more artistical, "design" area would be like. I imagine its completely who you know and yes about money. Because there is limited supply of websites willing to pay for such things, and the fact that with templates and what not, just about anyone can produce a valid design.

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Sure, self-help books can change your life … if you are the guy who writes the book, and pockets the dollars from the suckers who buy it thinking it will change their life.

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Sure, self-help books can change your life … if you are the guy who writes the book, and pockets the dollars from the suckers who buy it thinking it will change their life.

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The problem is: My application is shit




At your next visit to the Agentur für Arbeit, ask them for a Bewerbungstraining (application training). When your counselor believes that it might help you to find a job, then they will pay for it. I participated in such a training a long time ago and it really helped me a lot. There is really a lot you can learn about how to make your failures sound like successes, downplay your weaknesses and focus on your strengths. Such a training also helps a lot to build confidence.




Partly because of family issues and I partly problems with depression and worse




Seek professional help. Depression is a medical disorder which can affect anyone. It is not a sign of personal weakness. There is no shame in going to a psychotherapist.




And should I also go for "higher jobs"?




You might want to apply for a Ausbildung (apprenticeship). The pay is quite bad: Between 500€ and 1000€ per month depending on profession (IT professions are at the upper end, though). But it's easy to find an Ausbildungsplatz (apprenticeship position) without any work experience, because the whole system is designed for people straight out of school. Very few companies will be willing to hire people for any skilled jobs who have neither a university degree nor an apprenticeship, so this is often a necessary first step for a professional career.




I love being alone so I would love to have a very small apartment for myself.




This is more of a topic for Personal Finance & Money Stack Exchange, but there might actually be ways for you to finance one:





  • Apprentices can receive BAföG (government-sponsored student loans) in some situations.

  • When you can't get BAföG you can often get Wohngeld (the government pays part of your rent).

  • When your salary as an apprentice still isn't enough for an own appartment and living with your parents is no longer feasible for personal and mental health reasons, you might be eligible for partial welfare ("Aufstocken")






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    But it's easy to find an Ausbildungsplatz (apprenticeship position) without any work experience Highly dependant on the position. IT apprenticeships are not free, they usually want at least Gymnasium education and reasonably good grades in math. Generally speaking you're correct, but apprenticeships still aren't an option for everyone.

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    @Magisch I am hiring and managing apprentices myself at a large-ish IT company. I usually pay more attention to the application than to the grades. When someone writes that they already did some IT stuff on their own, then that usually outweights a few bad grades for me.

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  • Actually that was already a problem for me. All my then-friends had to chose any apprenticeship because of their parents. I had the luck that I was not forced into doing any apprenticeship and being able to decide where to go on my own. Actually I have applied at much apprenticeship positions where I would like to work but didn't have any help on my application. I had no such person. Then with the time, over the years, I wrote better applications but still was rejected. But anyway an apprenticeship somehow was my last option because I thought I could learn stuff anyway and I hated school.

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  • I then did a few applications anyway but they somehow did always have chosen anyone else. Maybe my grades did shock them because they're not that good. I was like mediocre in the Realschule (secondary school?) but extremely bad in the Berufsschule (professional school?) which I then later left. But I saw there that if I want something, I can be good at it. I had like 4-5 on every subjects, but in programming I had a 2 (actually a 2+, teacher told me I should not be that lazy and can easily get a 1).

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So, finish some stuff.



You can do what a lot of people do, find a job that pays the bills while you work on your skills and projects for the industry you want to be in. I did everything from manual labouring, to bouncing, to office cleaning before breaking into IT, but when I finally did I did so fully qualified with work to show.



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    Thank you, that are exactly my plans. Do a "not-so-fine" job but having room and space for myself and building me up. Thank you!

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    +1, I worked in a call centre, post office etc and didn't have my first programming job till I was 28. I did work experience in IT support and sharpened my skills in my own time waiting for a chance.

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    When possible, try to find a job in a company that has a job that you would like to do one day, e.g. work in the mail room for google because you want to be a programmer one day, etc. Do your job well, move up to higher paying positions with more responsibilities, take advantage of training available within the company, make your desire to succeed at your current job and future plans to gain additional skills and potentially move to other departments known. Most have to start at the "bottom"... or at least a job that is less than desirable. What you do after that determines future success.

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  • Thank you, @JeffC. That sounds understandable and reachable for me.

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All the jobs I want to apply for want an application. I tried to ask for an internship but it ends up with "send us an application, we will look into it."




Well, yes. I'm not really sure how else you'd expect it to work?




My application is shit. I cannot show exactly what I did, because there's nothing I've finished.




Focus on what you did - you mention having done some paid work. Get descriptions of that on your CV, what you did, what skills you used and who you did it for. Contact some of the companies that you say "respect" you and see if they would be willing to provide references to this effect. If you're not sure whether your application/CV is any good or not then get a friend or family member to check it over and give you some pointers. Heck, there's usually someone kicking around in Workplace Chat who will be happy to give it a once over for you.




I thought about creating a creative application with photoshops or some graphics




If you're applying to a creative/design position then this can be useful. Anything else don't - nothing screams "I'm trying to distract you from my flimsy application" quite like graphics and other fripperies.




I wanted to apply with a website but there I would use a bought template.




If you're using a website to showcase your creative/design skills I'd avoid using a template.




How can I apply in the best way? Does it sound bad if I tell the employer that in the last years I did nothing professionally but that I am ready to learn new things?




It depends on the position you're applying for - everyone has to "start" somewhere so there are entry level jobs where there isn't the same expectation of having experience. In these cases "I am ready to learn new things" is exactly the right attitude!



Regarding "I did nothing professionally" while it might not feel like it you have. You mention some paid design/development work, even your family business venture counts! So rather than saying "I've done nothing" say something like:




After school I joined a family business that unfortunately was unsuccessful and I've been doing some freelance work since then but I'm really keen to grow and develop that into a career using those skills so I'm very motivated to learn and develop my skills.




Success in getting entry level jobs is at least 50% showing the right mindset!




And should I also go for "higher jobs"?




With all kindness I have to say no. The higher level the job the more likely companies are to want to be seeing some pretty substantial evidence that you've got experience and can do what they need. The rewards are greater certainly but so is the expectation and it just doesn't sound like you are there yet.



Regarding the depression



This isn't really something we can help with here at The Workplace SE but I didn't want to just ignore it - depression royally sucks and can have an inordinately crippling effect on your ability just to get through the day. But you aren't alone and it's not your fault and it can be treated/beaten, see your doctor, see a counselor, do both and above all cut yourself some slack and be nice to yourself.



Hope things start looking up for you soon!






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  • Thank you very much. My initial goal was to apply for a "higher job" as an intern. I do not mean professional job when saying "higher" as almost everything above working in a production, like even working in an office doing entry stuff, is for me already a higher job because it feels like I'm not able to do them yet. But you pointed me some important things, thank you for this! Regarding the depression, it's not that it destroys me or so, but it had a deep impact regarding my life and especially social life. The thing with my "creative application" is, that I can cover the years with more t...

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  • ... with more than text. For example instead of "I tried to learn X" I show for example a graphic I did or explain the exact task I did but in a creative way. I am not a professional webdesigner so I would need to use templates. But the company I wanted to apply at also used templates on their homepage, even one from 2012. That's where I could have helped.

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    "even your family business venture counts!" I upvoted just for this. @Mark: You grow up/learn a lot more through something like this than by attending any course. I've experienced this. And if you put it the right way, this is really something that can actually be a huge plus in an interview.

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Your low self confidence and harsh self-criticism are results of your abusive family



Look at your language when talking about your family:




Well I decided to try my, or let's say our, own way




This is a red flag. There should be a clear boundary between what's 'my' way and what's 'our' way. It sounds like those two were entangled in the past. I'm glad they aren't anymore and you are starting to think about leaving.




I was bound into the family




Your family is holding you back.




I also received no money "because the family needs it"




Your family is not treating you well.




live in a small space where I'm extremely stressed




Your family is not healthy for you.




get to bed sometimes crying because I feel overwhelmed




Where is your family when that happens? Are they concerned about you? Are they helping you? They should be holding you when you cry. If they are not, then they are not being family to you at all. If they never have, and they never will, then don't try to fix them. Just leave.




Partly because of family issues and I partly problems with depression and worse, which makes it even harder (but I don't want to get deeper into this)




You must get deeper into this if you want to solve the confidence, the harsh self-criticism, and the never finishing projects.




So I am thinking to accept "any job" to get my own apartment and from there on continue my life.




Do it. And start reading as much as you can about abusive and neglectful families. When possible you will eventually benefit from severing the unhealthy relationships you have with your family. It doesn't necessarily mean no-contact, but you should focus on gaining independence from them and keeping them at a healthy distance.




how can I overcome having low self confidence? When there's an opportunity, I always tell myself that I am too bad for it, they will find better guys and I cannot do this job or I do not have enough qualities for this. I really get nervous thinking about working at a job and not being good enough and then maybe even getting fired.




These are all results of emotionally abusive parenting. I can recommend books that may help you heal from this. Specifically you might want to look for books on CPTSD.



My email address is listed in my Stack Exchange profile page. I am being serious when I say that if you email me, I will send you a copy of the book that helped me.






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  • I lived in an appartment with a good friend for a year before going back to my parents. Since I am back I really regret not enjoying the freedom I had there and I also learned through all of your comments in this thread that I actually am already on the right way - going my way - but did hold myself back because of things that shouldn't be my thing. Actually, yes, you're right, I experienced a life that some people didn't and I wish, that my grandpa, who was quiet the only one who helped me at black points, did not go that early.

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    I learned a lot today, because your objective comments helped me a lot to clear my mind. I won't take an appartment with any of my family members, despite loving them, but I now need place for myself. Thanks for a comment that brought me some tears...

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Hello and welcome to the workplace!



I have been in your place before (sort of).



When I moved to the UK I did so alone, I stayed at a family friend's house for 3 weeks but then it was time to move. Moved into a room in a shared house and eventually into a flat and now into a house.



Things take time, take one step at a time and don't worry about the rest.



My first job in the UK was in a factory, it took me some time to get into customer service as I was branded as a factory worker as that was my first job. I have recently (2 years ago) moved into IT through internal applications and I am now working as a business analyst.



As you can see, things can be achieved, but you have to break it down into processable chunks.



For what you mentioned your first priority is leaving alone so:



1 - Get a job anywhere! - Use agencies, local businesses, fastfood chains.
Keep a steady income from your workplace and move out.



2 - Move out! - No this is a tricky one. You want to go into IT so you will need to use most of your disposable income in training/certification for you to achieve this. Budget, budget, budget. Check how much you can safely pay each month for acommodation + expenses. Ensure you can always safe at least 10% of your income for a "rainy day" fund and still have some disposable income to use for the courses.



3 - Set yourself goals! - Set a goal of how long until you sign up for a MCSA or Comptia certification course. Set a goal for what your salary needs to be to sustain your lifestyle + further certificates (which are usually pricier than the entry level ones).



4 - apply for support jobs, apply for anything that has any sort of IT component in the title or specification. Use all the interviews as training sources so that when the job you REALLY want shows up, you know how to behave.



5 - (possibly should be number 2) Find a hobby! If you struggle with depression being alone might not be the best if all you do everyday is work. Find a hobby that makes you stretch. This can be anything from gaming (TCG like magic the gathering are great for this) or indie game development and anything in-between.



That is my 2c piece of advice regarding your job position. Regarding the depression and personal problems, please seek professional help. All of this means nothing if you are not happy nor enjoy life.






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  • Thank you, your 2c are way more worth than that for me! Your story really motivates me and it becomes clearer for me, what steps I have to take. My first step therefor is taking any job and an appartment. Then I have much less stress but time for me. And from there on build up step by step. Thank you, really appreciate that!

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    @Mark just remember life is not a lone walk. Surround yourself of people you love, friends, family, whatever they may be. Religion can be a good comforter as well. I have been in the UK now for 7 years and went from earning 12.000 a year to 41.000 a year. You get out of life as much as you put in, but there will be stumbling blocks on the way. Always have the attitude that, other than death, any problem has a solution. But there is no need wasting your time worrying about the problem, the solution is what matters.

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  • Thank you very much! Actually I currently prefer being alone or selecting a few friends as I had only fake friends over the past years even tho I only had like 1-2 at the same time. Thank you!

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    MTG can be an expensive hobby so maybe not the best choice until Mark has some income coming in. Once you do have a little disposable income though I agree it's a great way to get out of the house and meet people and those people are likely to be reasonably non-judgmental types!

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You might want to try some accredited courses in the field that you want to work. This is if you are set on a specific field and somewhat sure that you want to pursue a certain career, because this would mean a couple of months when you just learn, not earn any money and also have to pay for the courses. During this time you could get "any job" to cover the costs (I believe most jobs are paid decently in Germany). This could help you build a better CV even if the school system failed to teach you marketable skills. It's never too late to change your career direction, if you're willing to learn.



About being afraid to apply or not being good enough at your job after you get it, this is something most people experience at the start of their career. What you need to focus on here is that it's the company's job to decide if you're good enough and it's your duty to apply no matter what if you desire that position (and be truthful in your CV). After that, if they select you and despite you doing your best, you are still not up to the tasks, it's their recruiting process that failed. Good luck!






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  • We in germany have a minimum-wage which covers the most needed costs. Depending on where I want to live (I actually could live quiet cheap), I could have some money left to use it for education and learning. For me it's more the fear of applying and especially losing / not being good enough that holds me back.

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    In that case, focus on the second part of my answer. Study and finish personal projects until you are confident enough and don't let interviews that go badly bring you down, we've all been through them. And if your employer decides you're good enough to be employed, odds are that if you put some effort, you'll do well

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  • Thank you very much! I look more positive now into my future. You guys are helpful!

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Your first problem is money and living space, so fix those. Get a job at Aldi's if you have to - but get a job. Then find a place to live. Somewhere cheap, 'roommate needed', whatever.



Then, spend time working on your own website, and design work, and whatever else you can. For pay if you can find it, for yourself if you can't; but that's how you get a portfolio going.





I graduated college with a useless degree during an economic downturn, and failed to find a job for months. Eventually I found a job working at a bookstore, and spent about five years there working my way up - proving my customer service and management skills.



Finally, I managed to find a position doing what I should've gone to college for in the first place - programming/development - and have been happily employed in that field, making plenty of money, ever since.



The key was to start with a job, though, instead of holding out for the perfect job (that I wasn't really qualified for either) - just finding a job. Once you have a job, you can do the rest in your own time; and if it takes five years of working at Aldi's, well, at least your meals will be cheap.






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    And added to this - come on over to Personal Finance & Money once you are ready to start budgeting in order to move out, we've got lots of good questions on the subject, and lots of folks over there who can help!

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    This seems US specific, OP is in Germany. Or am I reading you wrong?

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    Aldi started in Germany. But it may be just an example. Could also be Lidl or Simply or fast food or some other low-skill minimum wage place to start.

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    Yes, Aldi is an example, but it's an example of a German chain (my sister lived in Germany down the road from one, in fact!)

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  • Yes, Joe was right. I get what he tells me, and he is absolutely correct. Here in germany you get easily into such jobs. Not that easily but they're some great starting points because the tasks mainly are ready for everyone. You're right and that's the path I will take. The beginning will be hard but I am sure that with the additional own space it will be way easier than it is for now.

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Although I'm not based in Germany, I experienced a similar situation where companies were particularly critical of applications (often with the catch-22 of 'you need experience to get experience') and equally as dismissive of apprenticeships (in my experience they just did a fast turnover to get cheap labour and preferred younger candidates).




The problem is: My application is shit. I cannot show exactly what I did, because there's nothing I've finished.




Gain experience by doing volunteering



If there's a specific sector of work you want to get into, the easiest way to gain experience and overcome the hurdle of 'need experience to get experience' is to do volunteering in the charity sector in a job similar to the area you're interested in. For example, I did IT work for an animal rescue shelter.



Although the work is unpaid, you'll be getting several things in return; experience to put on your CV, references, and even social contacts.



Charities are less picky than corporations when it comes to applications, because of course, the work is free. Note that there is an uptick in volunteering so there might be some declinations, but persist.



Once you gain sufficient experience, you can use volunteering as a foot in the door to get a paying job.




How can I apply in the best way?




Personalise your applciations



Whether it's the cover letter or the CV. Learn about the company you want to apply for, and modify your CV to list only skills that are relevant to the job. Omission of data isn't dishonest, either - you're saving the interviewer important time by narrowing to only the facts they would be interested in.



I got more interview offers with custom CVs and letters than I did with boilerplate sendouts.




Does it sound bad if I tell the employer that in the last years I did nothing professionally but that I am ready to learn new things?




Focus on the positives, or what you've learned



You should just say you're eager to learn things. Avoid mentioning negatives about yourself. Regarding any 'failures', they're not failures - they're learning experiences. Focus on what you learned from it. If something went wrong, what did you learn from it? What will you do differently next time?




And should I also go for "higher jobs"?




Keep it realistic



Your application might not be suitable for netting higher jobs - yet. You should aim for lateral job prospects, which means you start off in a job less relevant to your skills, but within the company, you demonstrate the skills for the job role you want.



I was once offered a web development role after applying for a cleaning job (as I had hinted at having web dev skills), and in another role I was promoted from a temporary job role to fixed term because of my demonstrated IT skillsets (which were demo'd whilst working at the company).



One way to do this is to show any interesting side projects that you've done at home in your free time to your manager if you feel they're might be receptive to it. Obviously, don't share anything you not okay with the company taking for themselves.




And how can I overcome having low self confidence?




It'll come with time



You'll naturally start to overcome some of it when you see your work being valued by others, for example, at a charity or within an organisation. I think at the moment you're seeing all these false signals that make you think you're worthless (like 'agh, my CV has gaps in it!') but in truth everyone has been through an empty CV at some point, and you'll gain that confidence with time.



Focus on small steps



Break any problems down into the smallest unit possible, and then try to solve that problem. With small steps, eventually everything else will start to fall into place.



And I wanted to add, for the record, you're not a loser, you're a human being like the rest of us. Don't feel like mistakes define you, everybody makes mistakes. The way to win is to learn at much as you can from them.






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    The problem is: My application is shit




    At your next visit to the Agentur für Arbeit, ask them for a Bewerbungstraining (application training). When your counselor believes that it might help you to find a job, then they will pay for it. I participated in such a training a long time ago and it really helped me a lot. There is really a lot you can learn about how to make your failures sound like successes, downplay your weaknesses and focus on your strengths. Such a training also helps a lot to build confidence.




    Partly because of family issues and I partly problems with depression and worse




    Seek professional help. Depression is a medical disorder which can affect anyone. It is not a sign of personal weakness. There is no shame in going to a psychotherapist.




    And should I also go for "higher jobs"?




    You might want to apply for a Ausbildung (apprenticeship). The pay is quite bad: Between 500€ and 1000€ per month depending on profession (IT professions are at the upper end, though). But it's easy to find an Ausbildungsplatz (apprenticeship position) without any work experience, because the whole system is designed for people straight out of school. Very few companies will be willing to hire people for any skilled jobs who have neither a university degree nor an apprenticeship, so this is often a necessary first step for a professional career.




    I love being alone so I would love to have a very small apartment for myself.




    This is more of a topic for Personal Finance & Money Stack Exchange, but there might actually be ways for you to finance one:





    • Apprentices can receive BAföG (government-sponsored student loans) in some situations.

    • When you can't get BAföG you can often get Wohngeld (the government pays part of your rent).

    • When your salary as an apprentice still isn't enough for an own appartment and living with your parents is no longer feasible for personal and mental health reasons, you might be eligible for partial welfare ("Aufstocken")






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      But it's easy to find an Ausbildungsplatz (apprenticeship position) without any work experience Highly dependant on the position. IT apprenticeships are not free, they usually want at least Gymnasium education and reasonably good grades in math. Generally speaking you're correct, but apprenticeships still aren't an option for everyone.

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      @Magisch I am hiring and managing apprentices myself at a large-ish IT company. I usually pay more attention to the application than to the grades. When someone writes that they already did some IT stuff on their own, then that usually outweights a few bad grades for me.

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      +1 for practical actionable advice for the specific country of the OP.

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    • Actually that was already a problem for me. All my then-friends had to chose any apprenticeship because of their parents. I had the luck that I was not forced into doing any apprenticeship and being able to decide where to go on my own. Actually I have applied at much apprenticeship positions where I would like to work but didn't have any help on my application. I had no such person. Then with the time, over the years, I wrote better applications but still was rejected. But anyway an apprenticeship somehow was my last option because I thought I could learn stuff anyway and I hated school.

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    • I then did a few applications anyway but they somehow did always have chosen anyone else. Maybe my grades did shock them because they're not that good. I was like mediocre in the Realschule (secondary school?) but extremely bad in the Berufsschule (professional school?) which I then later left. But I saw there that if I want something, I can be good at it. I had like 4-5 on every subjects, but in programming I had a 2 (actually a 2+, teacher told me I should not be that lazy and can easily get a 1).

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    The problem is: My application is shit




    At your next visit to the Agentur für Arbeit, ask them for a Bewerbungstraining (application training). When your counselor believes that it might help you to find a job, then they will pay for it. I participated in such a training a long time ago and it really helped me a lot. There is really a lot you can learn about how to make your failures sound like successes, downplay your weaknesses and focus on your strengths. Such a training also helps a lot to build confidence.




    Partly because of family issues and I partly problems with depression and worse




    Seek professional help. Depression is a medical disorder which can affect anyone. It is not a sign of personal weakness. There is no shame in going to a psychotherapist.




    And should I also go for "higher jobs"?




    You might want to apply for a Ausbildung (apprenticeship). The pay is quite bad: Between 500€ and 1000€ per month depending on profession (IT professions are at the upper end, though). But it's easy to find an Ausbildungsplatz (apprenticeship position) without any work experience, because the whole system is designed for people straight out of school. Very few companies will be willing to hire people for any skilled jobs who have neither a university degree nor an apprenticeship, so this is often a necessary first step for a professional career.




    I love being alone so I would love to have a very small apartment for myself.




    This is more of a topic for Personal Finance & Money Stack Exchange, but there might actually be ways for you to finance one:





    • Apprentices can receive BAföG (government-sponsored student loans) in some situations.

    • When you can't get BAföG you can often get Wohngeld (the government pays part of your rent).

    • When your salary as an apprentice still isn't enough for an own appartment and living with your parents is no longer feasible for personal and mental health reasons, you might be eligible for partial welfare ("Aufstocken")






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      But it's easy to find an Ausbildungsplatz (apprenticeship position) without any work experience Highly dependant on the position. IT apprenticeships are not free, they usually want at least Gymnasium education and reasonably good grades in math. Generally speaking you're correct, but apprenticeships still aren't an option for everyone.

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      @Magisch I am hiring and managing apprentices myself at a large-ish IT company. I usually pay more attention to the application than to the grades. When someone writes that they already did some IT stuff on their own, then that usually outweights a few bad grades for me.

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      +1 for practical actionable advice for the specific country of the OP.

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    • Actually that was already a problem for me. All my then-friends had to chose any apprenticeship because of their parents. I had the luck that I was not forced into doing any apprenticeship and being able to decide where to go on my own. Actually I have applied at much apprenticeship positions where I would like to work but didn't have any help on my application. I had no such person. Then with the time, over the years, I wrote better applications but still was rejected. But anyway an apprenticeship somehow was my last option because I thought I could learn stuff anyway and I hated school.

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    • I then did a few applications anyway but they somehow did always have chosen anyone else. Maybe my grades did shock them because they're not that good. I was like mediocre in the Realschule (secondary school?) but extremely bad in the Berufsschule (professional school?) which I then later left. But I saw there that if I want something, I can be good at it. I had like 4-5 on every subjects, but in programming I had a 2 (actually a 2+, teacher told me I should not be that lazy and can easily get a 1).

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    The problem is: My application is shit




    At your next visit to the Agentur für Arbeit, ask them for a Bewerbungstraining (application training). When your counselor believes that it might help you to find a job, then they will pay for it. I participated in such a training a long time ago and it really helped me a lot. There is really a lot you can learn about how to make your failures sound like successes, downplay your weaknesses and focus on your strengths. Such a training also helps a lot to build confidence.




    Partly because of family issues and I partly problems with depression and worse




    Seek professional help. Depression is a medical disorder which can affect anyone. It is not a sign of personal weakness. There is no shame in going to a psychotherapist.




    And should I also go for "higher jobs"?




    You might want to apply for a Ausbildung (apprenticeship). The pay is quite bad: Between 500€ and 1000€ per month depending on profession (IT professions are at the upper end, though). But it's easy to find an Ausbildungsplatz (apprenticeship position) without any work experience, because the whole system is designed for people straight out of school. Very few companies will be willing to hire people for any skilled jobs who have neither a university degree nor an apprenticeship, so this is often a necessary first step for a professional career.




    I love being alone so I would love to have a very small apartment for myself.




    This is more of a topic for Personal Finance & Money Stack Exchange, but there might actually be ways for you to finance one:





    • Apprentices can receive BAföG (government-sponsored student loans) in some situations.

    • When you can't get BAföG you can often get Wohngeld (the government pays part of your rent).

    • When your salary as an apprentice still isn't enough for an own appartment and living with your parents is no longer feasible for personal and mental health reasons, you might be eligible for partial welfare ("Aufstocken")






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    The problem is: My application is shit




    At your next visit to the Agentur für Arbeit, ask them for a Bewerbungstraining (application training). When your counselor believes that it might help you to find a job, then they will pay for it. I participated in such a training a long time ago and it really helped me a lot. There is really a lot you can learn about how to make your failures sound like successes, downplay your weaknesses and focus on your strengths. Such a training also helps a lot to build confidence.




    Partly because of family issues and I partly problems with depression and worse




    Seek professional help. Depression is a medical disorder which can affect anyone. It is not a sign of personal weakness. There is no shame in going to a psychotherapist.




    And should I also go for "higher jobs"?




    You might want to apply for a Ausbildung (apprenticeship). The pay is quite bad: Between 500€ and 1000€ per month depending on profession (IT professions are at the upper end, though). But it's easy to find an Ausbildungsplatz (apprenticeship position) without any work experience, because the whole system is designed for people straight out of school. Very few companies will be willing to hire people for any skilled jobs who have neither a university degree nor an apprenticeship, so this is often a necessary first step for a professional career.




    I love being alone so I would love to have a very small apartment for myself.




    This is more of a topic for Personal Finance & Money Stack Exchange, but there might actually be ways for you to finance one:





    • Apprentices can receive BAföG (government-sponsored student loans) in some situations.

    • When you can't get BAföG you can often get Wohngeld (the government pays part of your rent).

    • When your salary as an apprentice still isn't enough for an own appartment and living with your parents is no longer feasible for personal and mental health reasons, you might be eligible for partial welfare ("Aufstocken")







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      But it's easy to find an Ausbildungsplatz (apprenticeship position) without any work experience Highly dependant on the position. IT apprenticeships are not free, they usually want at least Gymnasium education and reasonably good grades in math. Generally speaking you're correct, but apprenticeships still aren't an option for everyone.

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      @Magisch I am hiring and managing apprentices myself at a large-ish IT company. I usually pay more attention to the application than to the grades. When someone writes that they already did some IT stuff on their own, then that usually outweights a few bad grades for me.

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      – fridaymeetssunday
      11 hours ago











    • Actually that was already a problem for me. All my then-friends had to chose any apprenticeship because of their parents. I had the luck that I was not forced into doing any apprenticeship and being able to decide where to go on my own. Actually I have applied at much apprenticeship positions where I would like to work but didn't have any help on my application. I had no such person. Then with the time, over the years, I wrote better applications but still was rejected. But anyway an apprenticeship somehow was my last option because I thought I could learn stuff anyway and I hated school.

      – Mark
      11 hours ago











    • I then did a few applications anyway but they somehow did always have chosen anyone else. Maybe my grades did shock them because they're not that good. I was like mediocre in the Realschule (secondary school?) but extremely bad in the Berufsschule (professional school?) which I then later left. But I saw there that if I want something, I can be good at it. I had like 4-5 on every subjects, but in programming I had a 2 (actually a 2+, teacher told me I should not be that lazy and can easily get a 1).

      – Mark
      11 hours ago














    • 1





      But it's easy to find an Ausbildungsplatz (apprenticeship position) without any work experience Highly dependant on the position. IT apprenticeships are not free, they usually want at least Gymnasium education and reasonably good grades in math. Generally speaking you're correct, but apprenticeships still aren't an option for everyone.

      – Magisch
      12 hours ago








    • 12





      @Magisch I am hiring and managing apprentices myself at a large-ish IT company. I usually pay more attention to the application than to the grades. When someone writes that they already did some IT stuff on their own, then that usually outweights a few bad grades for me.

      – Philipp
      11 hours ago








    • 37





      +1 for practical actionable advice for the specific country of the OP.

      – fridaymeetssunday
      11 hours ago











    • Actually that was already a problem for me. All my then-friends had to chose any apprenticeship because of their parents. I had the luck that I was not forced into doing any apprenticeship and being able to decide where to go on my own. Actually I have applied at much apprenticeship positions where I would like to work but didn't have any help on my application. I had no such person. Then with the time, over the years, I wrote better applications but still was rejected. But anyway an apprenticeship somehow was my last option because I thought I could learn stuff anyway and I hated school.

      – Mark
      11 hours ago











    • I then did a few applications anyway but they somehow did always have chosen anyone else. Maybe my grades did shock them because they're not that good. I was like mediocre in the Realschule (secondary school?) but extremely bad in the Berufsschule (professional school?) which I then later left. But I saw there that if I want something, I can be good at it. I had like 4-5 on every subjects, but in programming I had a 2 (actually a 2+, teacher told me I should not be that lazy and can easily get a 1).

      – Mark
      11 hours ago








    1




    1





    But it's easy to find an Ausbildungsplatz (apprenticeship position) without any work experience Highly dependant on the position. IT apprenticeships are not free, they usually want at least Gymnasium education and reasonably good grades in math. Generally speaking you're correct, but apprenticeships still aren't an option for everyone.

    – Magisch
    12 hours ago







    But it's easy to find an Ausbildungsplatz (apprenticeship position) without any work experience Highly dependant on the position. IT apprenticeships are not free, they usually want at least Gymnasium education and reasonably good grades in math. Generally speaking you're correct, but apprenticeships still aren't an option for everyone.

    – Magisch
    12 hours ago






    12




    12





    @Magisch I am hiring and managing apprentices myself at a large-ish IT company. I usually pay more attention to the application than to the grades. When someone writes that they already did some IT stuff on their own, then that usually outweights a few bad grades for me.

    – Philipp
    11 hours ago







    @Magisch I am hiring and managing apprentices myself at a large-ish IT company. I usually pay more attention to the application than to the grades. When someone writes that they already did some IT stuff on their own, then that usually outweights a few bad grades for me.

    – Philipp
    11 hours ago






    37




    37





    +1 for practical actionable advice for the specific country of the OP.

    – fridaymeetssunday
    11 hours ago





    +1 for practical actionable advice for the specific country of the OP.

    – fridaymeetssunday
    11 hours ago













    Actually that was already a problem for me. All my then-friends had to chose any apprenticeship because of their parents. I had the luck that I was not forced into doing any apprenticeship and being able to decide where to go on my own. Actually I have applied at much apprenticeship positions where I would like to work but didn't have any help on my application. I had no such person. Then with the time, over the years, I wrote better applications but still was rejected. But anyway an apprenticeship somehow was my last option because I thought I could learn stuff anyway and I hated school.

    – Mark
    11 hours ago





    Actually that was already a problem for me. All my then-friends had to chose any apprenticeship because of their parents. I had the luck that I was not forced into doing any apprenticeship and being able to decide where to go on my own. Actually I have applied at much apprenticeship positions where I would like to work but didn't have any help on my application. I had no such person. Then with the time, over the years, I wrote better applications but still was rejected. But anyway an apprenticeship somehow was my last option because I thought I could learn stuff anyway and I hated school.

    – Mark
    11 hours ago













    I then did a few applications anyway but they somehow did always have chosen anyone else. Maybe my grades did shock them because they're not that good. I was like mediocre in the Realschule (secondary school?) but extremely bad in the Berufsschule (professional school?) which I then later left. But I saw there that if I want something, I can be good at it. I had like 4-5 on every subjects, but in programming I had a 2 (actually a 2+, teacher told me I should not be that lazy and can easily get a 1).

    – Mark
    11 hours ago





    I then did a few applications anyway but they somehow did always have chosen anyone else. Maybe my grades did shock them because they're not that good. I was like mediocre in the Realschule (secondary school?) but extremely bad in the Berufsschule (professional school?) which I then later left. But I saw there that if I want something, I can be good at it. I had like 4-5 on every subjects, but in programming I had a 2 (actually a 2+, teacher told me I should not be that lazy and can easily get a 1).

    – Mark
    11 hours ago













    49















    because there's nothing I've finished.




    So, finish some stuff.



    You can do what a lot of people do, find a job that pays the bills while you work on your skills and projects for the industry you want to be in. I did everything from manual labouring, to bouncing, to office cleaning before breaking into IT, but when I finally did I did so fully qualified with work to show.



    Give yourself advantages, don't set yourself up for failure.






    share|improve this answer



















    • 5





      Thank you, that are exactly my plans. Do a "not-so-fine" job but having room and space for myself and building me up. Thank you!

      – Mark
      15 hours ago






    • 5





      +1, I worked in a call centre, post office etc and didn't have my first programming job till I was 28. I did work experience in IT support and sharpened my skills in my own time waiting for a chance.

      – Dustybin80
      15 hours ago






    • 3





      When possible, try to find a job in a company that has a job that you would like to do one day, e.g. work in the mail room for google because you want to be a programmer one day, etc. Do your job well, move up to higher paying positions with more responsibilities, take advantage of training available within the company, make your desire to succeed at your current job and future plans to gain additional skills and potentially move to other departments known. Most have to start at the "bottom"... or at least a job that is less than desirable. What you do after that determines future success.

      – JeffC
      8 hours ago











    • Thank you, @JeffC. That sounds understandable and reachable for me.

      – Mark
      4 hours ago
















    49















    because there's nothing I've finished.




    So, finish some stuff.



    You can do what a lot of people do, find a job that pays the bills while you work on your skills and projects for the industry you want to be in. I did everything from manual labouring, to bouncing, to office cleaning before breaking into IT, but when I finally did I did so fully qualified with work to show.



    Give yourself advantages, don't set yourself up for failure.






    share|improve this answer



















    • 5





      Thank you, that are exactly my plans. Do a "not-so-fine" job but having room and space for myself and building me up. Thank you!

      – Mark
      15 hours ago






    • 5





      +1, I worked in a call centre, post office etc and didn't have my first programming job till I was 28. I did work experience in IT support and sharpened my skills in my own time waiting for a chance.

      – Dustybin80
      15 hours ago






    • 3





      When possible, try to find a job in a company that has a job that you would like to do one day, e.g. work in the mail room for google because you want to be a programmer one day, etc. Do your job well, move up to higher paying positions with more responsibilities, take advantage of training available within the company, make your desire to succeed at your current job and future plans to gain additional skills and potentially move to other departments known. Most have to start at the "bottom"... or at least a job that is less than desirable. What you do after that determines future success.

      – JeffC
      8 hours ago











    • Thank you, @JeffC. That sounds understandable and reachable for me.

      – Mark
      4 hours ago














    49












    49








    49








    because there's nothing I've finished.




    So, finish some stuff.



    You can do what a lot of people do, find a job that pays the bills while you work on your skills and projects for the industry you want to be in. I did everything from manual labouring, to bouncing, to office cleaning before breaking into IT, but when I finally did I did so fully qualified with work to show.



    Give yourself advantages, don't set yourself up for failure.






    share|improve this answer














    because there's nothing I've finished.




    So, finish some stuff.



    You can do what a lot of people do, find a job that pays the bills while you work on your skills and projects for the industry you want to be in. I did everything from manual labouring, to bouncing, to office cleaning before breaking into IT, but when I finally did I did so fully qualified with work to show.



    Give yourself advantages, don't set yourself up for failure.







    share|improve this answer












    share|improve this answer



    share|improve this answer










    answered 15 hours ago









    KilisiKilisi

    120k69267460




    120k69267460








    • 5





      Thank you, that are exactly my plans. Do a "not-so-fine" job but having room and space for myself and building me up. Thank you!

      – Mark
      15 hours ago






    • 5





      +1, I worked in a call centre, post office etc and didn't have my first programming job till I was 28. I did work experience in IT support and sharpened my skills in my own time waiting for a chance.

      – Dustybin80
      15 hours ago






    • 3





      When possible, try to find a job in a company that has a job that you would like to do one day, e.g. work in the mail room for google because you want to be a programmer one day, etc. Do your job well, move up to higher paying positions with more responsibilities, take advantage of training available within the company, make your desire to succeed at your current job and future plans to gain additional skills and potentially move to other departments known. Most have to start at the "bottom"... or at least a job that is less than desirable. What you do after that determines future success.

      – JeffC
      8 hours ago











    • Thank you, @JeffC. That sounds understandable and reachable for me.

      – Mark
      4 hours ago














    • 5





      Thank you, that are exactly my plans. Do a "not-so-fine" job but having room and space for myself and building me up. Thank you!

      – Mark
      15 hours ago






    • 5





      +1, I worked in a call centre, post office etc and didn't have my first programming job till I was 28. I did work experience in IT support and sharpened my skills in my own time waiting for a chance.

      – Dustybin80
      15 hours ago






    • 3





      When possible, try to find a job in a company that has a job that you would like to do one day, e.g. work in the mail room for google because you want to be a programmer one day, etc. Do your job well, move up to higher paying positions with more responsibilities, take advantage of training available within the company, make your desire to succeed at your current job and future plans to gain additional skills and potentially move to other departments known. Most have to start at the "bottom"... or at least a job that is less than desirable. What you do after that determines future success.

      – JeffC
      8 hours ago











    • Thank you, @JeffC. That sounds understandable and reachable for me.

      – Mark
      4 hours ago








    5




    5





    Thank you, that are exactly my plans. Do a "not-so-fine" job but having room and space for myself and building me up. Thank you!

    – Mark
    15 hours ago





    Thank you, that are exactly my plans. Do a "not-so-fine" job but having room and space for myself and building me up. Thank you!

    – Mark
    15 hours ago




    5




    5





    +1, I worked in a call centre, post office etc and didn't have my first programming job till I was 28. I did work experience in IT support and sharpened my skills in my own time waiting for a chance.

    – Dustybin80
    15 hours ago





    +1, I worked in a call centre, post office etc and didn't have my first programming job till I was 28. I did work experience in IT support and sharpened my skills in my own time waiting for a chance.

    – Dustybin80
    15 hours ago




    3




    3





    When possible, try to find a job in a company that has a job that you would like to do one day, e.g. work in the mail room for google because you want to be a programmer one day, etc. Do your job well, move up to higher paying positions with more responsibilities, take advantage of training available within the company, make your desire to succeed at your current job and future plans to gain additional skills and potentially move to other departments known. Most have to start at the "bottom"... or at least a job that is less than desirable. What you do after that determines future success.

    – JeffC
    8 hours ago





    When possible, try to find a job in a company that has a job that you would like to do one day, e.g. work in the mail room for google because you want to be a programmer one day, etc. Do your job well, move up to higher paying positions with more responsibilities, take advantage of training available within the company, make your desire to succeed at your current job and future plans to gain additional skills and potentially move to other departments known. Most have to start at the "bottom"... or at least a job that is less than desirable. What you do after that determines future success.

    – JeffC
    8 hours ago













    Thank you, @JeffC. That sounds understandable and reachable for me.

    – Mark
    4 hours ago





    Thank you, @JeffC. That sounds understandable and reachable for me.

    – Mark
    4 hours ago











    10















    All the jobs I want to apply for want an application. I tried to ask for an internship but it ends up with "send us an application, we will look into it."




    Well, yes. I'm not really sure how else you'd expect it to work?




    My application is shit. I cannot show exactly what I did, because there's nothing I've finished.




    Focus on what you did - you mention having done some paid work. Get descriptions of that on your CV, what you did, what skills you used and who you did it for. Contact some of the companies that you say "respect" you and see if they would be willing to provide references to this effect. If you're not sure whether your application/CV is any good or not then get a friend or family member to check it over and give you some pointers. Heck, there's usually someone kicking around in Workplace Chat who will be happy to give it a once over for you.




    I thought about creating a creative application with photoshops or some graphics




    If you're applying to a creative/design position then this can be useful. Anything else don't - nothing screams "I'm trying to distract you from my flimsy application" quite like graphics and other fripperies.




    I wanted to apply with a website but there I would use a bought template.




    If you're using a website to showcase your creative/design skills I'd avoid using a template.




    How can I apply in the best way? Does it sound bad if I tell the employer that in the last years I did nothing professionally but that I am ready to learn new things?




    It depends on the position you're applying for - everyone has to "start" somewhere so there are entry level jobs where there isn't the same expectation of having experience. In these cases "I am ready to learn new things" is exactly the right attitude!



    Regarding "I did nothing professionally" while it might not feel like it you have. You mention some paid design/development work, even your family business venture counts! So rather than saying "I've done nothing" say something like:




    After school I joined a family business that unfortunately was unsuccessful and I've been doing some freelance work since then but I'm really keen to grow and develop that into a career using those skills so I'm very motivated to learn and develop my skills.




    Success in getting entry level jobs is at least 50% showing the right mindset!




    And should I also go for "higher jobs"?




    With all kindness I have to say no. The higher level the job the more likely companies are to want to be seeing some pretty substantial evidence that you've got experience and can do what they need. The rewards are greater certainly but so is the expectation and it just doesn't sound like you are there yet.



    Regarding the depression



    This isn't really something we can help with here at The Workplace SE but I didn't want to just ignore it - depression royally sucks and can have an inordinately crippling effect on your ability just to get through the day. But you aren't alone and it's not your fault and it can be treated/beaten, see your doctor, see a counselor, do both and above all cut yourself some slack and be nice to yourself.



    Hope things start looking up for you soon!






    share|improve this answer
























    • Thank you very much. My initial goal was to apply for a "higher job" as an intern. I do not mean professional job when saying "higher" as almost everything above working in a production, like even working in an office doing entry stuff, is for me already a higher job because it feels like I'm not able to do them yet. But you pointed me some important things, thank you for this! Regarding the depression, it's not that it destroys me or so, but it had a deep impact regarding my life and especially social life. The thing with my "creative application" is, that I can cover the years with more t...

      – Mark
      15 hours ago











    • ... with more than text. For example instead of "I tried to learn X" I show for example a graphic I did or explain the exact task I did but in a creative way. I am not a professional webdesigner so I would need to use templates. But the company I wanted to apply at also used templates on their homepage, even one from 2012. That's where I could have helped.

      – Mark
      15 hours ago






    • 1





      "even your family business venture counts!" I upvoted just for this. @Mark: You grow up/learn a lot more through something like this than by attending any course. I've experienced this. And if you put it the right way, this is really something that can actually be a huge plus in an interview.

      – dim
      4 hours ago
















    10















    All the jobs I want to apply for want an application. I tried to ask for an internship but it ends up with "send us an application, we will look into it."




    Well, yes. I'm not really sure how else you'd expect it to work?




    My application is shit. I cannot show exactly what I did, because there's nothing I've finished.




    Focus on what you did - you mention having done some paid work. Get descriptions of that on your CV, what you did, what skills you used and who you did it for. Contact some of the companies that you say "respect" you and see if they would be willing to provide references to this effect. If you're not sure whether your application/CV is any good or not then get a friend or family member to check it over and give you some pointers. Heck, there's usually someone kicking around in Workplace Chat who will be happy to give it a once over for you.




    I thought about creating a creative application with photoshops or some graphics




    If you're applying to a creative/design position then this can be useful. Anything else don't - nothing screams "I'm trying to distract you from my flimsy application" quite like graphics and other fripperies.




    I wanted to apply with a website but there I would use a bought template.




    If you're using a website to showcase your creative/design skills I'd avoid using a template.




    How can I apply in the best way? Does it sound bad if I tell the employer that in the last years I did nothing professionally but that I am ready to learn new things?




    It depends on the position you're applying for - everyone has to "start" somewhere so there are entry level jobs where there isn't the same expectation of having experience. In these cases "I am ready to learn new things" is exactly the right attitude!



    Regarding "I did nothing professionally" while it might not feel like it you have. You mention some paid design/development work, even your family business venture counts! So rather than saying "I've done nothing" say something like:




    After school I joined a family business that unfortunately was unsuccessful and I've been doing some freelance work since then but I'm really keen to grow and develop that into a career using those skills so I'm very motivated to learn and develop my skills.




    Success in getting entry level jobs is at least 50% showing the right mindset!




    And should I also go for "higher jobs"?




    With all kindness I have to say no. The higher level the job the more likely companies are to want to be seeing some pretty substantial evidence that you've got experience and can do what they need. The rewards are greater certainly but so is the expectation and it just doesn't sound like you are there yet.



    Regarding the depression



    This isn't really something we can help with here at The Workplace SE but I didn't want to just ignore it - depression royally sucks and can have an inordinately crippling effect on your ability just to get through the day. But you aren't alone and it's not your fault and it can be treated/beaten, see your doctor, see a counselor, do both and above all cut yourself some slack and be nice to yourself.



    Hope things start looking up for you soon!






    share|improve this answer
























    • Thank you very much. My initial goal was to apply for a "higher job" as an intern. I do not mean professional job when saying "higher" as almost everything above working in a production, like even working in an office doing entry stuff, is for me already a higher job because it feels like I'm not able to do them yet. But you pointed me some important things, thank you for this! Regarding the depression, it's not that it destroys me or so, but it had a deep impact regarding my life and especially social life. The thing with my "creative application" is, that I can cover the years with more t...

      – Mark
      15 hours ago











    • ... with more than text. For example instead of "I tried to learn X" I show for example a graphic I did or explain the exact task I did but in a creative way. I am not a professional webdesigner so I would need to use templates. But the company I wanted to apply at also used templates on their homepage, even one from 2012. That's where I could have helped.

      – Mark
      15 hours ago






    • 1





      "even your family business venture counts!" I upvoted just for this. @Mark: You grow up/learn a lot more through something like this than by attending any course. I've experienced this. And if you put it the right way, this is really something that can actually be a huge plus in an interview.

      – dim
      4 hours ago














    10












    10








    10








    All the jobs I want to apply for want an application. I tried to ask for an internship but it ends up with "send us an application, we will look into it."




    Well, yes. I'm not really sure how else you'd expect it to work?




    My application is shit. I cannot show exactly what I did, because there's nothing I've finished.




    Focus on what you did - you mention having done some paid work. Get descriptions of that on your CV, what you did, what skills you used and who you did it for. Contact some of the companies that you say "respect" you and see if they would be willing to provide references to this effect. If you're not sure whether your application/CV is any good or not then get a friend or family member to check it over and give you some pointers. Heck, there's usually someone kicking around in Workplace Chat who will be happy to give it a once over for you.




    I thought about creating a creative application with photoshops or some graphics




    If you're applying to a creative/design position then this can be useful. Anything else don't - nothing screams "I'm trying to distract you from my flimsy application" quite like graphics and other fripperies.




    I wanted to apply with a website but there I would use a bought template.




    If you're using a website to showcase your creative/design skills I'd avoid using a template.




    How can I apply in the best way? Does it sound bad if I tell the employer that in the last years I did nothing professionally but that I am ready to learn new things?




    It depends on the position you're applying for - everyone has to "start" somewhere so there are entry level jobs where there isn't the same expectation of having experience. In these cases "I am ready to learn new things" is exactly the right attitude!



    Regarding "I did nothing professionally" while it might not feel like it you have. You mention some paid design/development work, even your family business venture counts! So rather than saying "I've done nothing" say something like:




    After school I joined a family business that unfortunately was unsuccessful and I've been doing some freelance work since then but I'm really keen to grow and develop that into a career using those skills so I'm very motivated to learn and develop my skills.




    Success in getting entry level jobs is at least 50% showing the right mindset!




    And should I also go for "higher jobs"?




    With all kindness I have to say no. The higher level the job the more likely companies are to want to be seeing some pretty substantial evidence that you've got experience and can do what they need. The rewards are greater certainly but so is the expectation and it just doesn't sound like you are there yet.



    Regarding the depression



    This isn't really something we can help with here at The Workplace SE but I didn't want to just ignore it - depression royally sucks and can have an inordinately crippling effect on your ability just to get through the day. But you aren't alone and it's not your fault and it can be treated/beaten, see your doctor, see a counselor, do both and above all cut yourself some slack and be nice to yourself.



    Hope things start looking up for you soon!






    share|improve this answer














    All the jobs I want to apply for want an application. I tried to ask for an internship but it ends up with "send us an application, we will look into it."




    Well, yes. I'm not really sure how else you'd expect it to work?




    My application is shit. I cannot show exactly what I did, because there's nothing I've finished.




    Focus on what you did - you mention having done some paid work. Get descriptions of that on your CV, what you did, what skills you used and who you did it for. Contact some of the companies that you say "respect" you and see if they would be willing to provide references to this effect. If you're not sure whether your application/CV is any good or not then get a friend or family member to check it over and give you some pointers. Heck, there's usually someone kicking around in Workplace Chat who will be happy to give it a once over for you.




    I thought about creating a creative application with photoshops or some graphics




    If you're applying to a creative/design position then this can be useful. Anything else don't - nothing screams "I'm trying to distract you from my flimsy application" quite like graphics and other fripperies.




    I wanted to apply with a website but there I would use a bought template.




    If you're using a website to showcase your creative/design skills I'd avoid using a template.




    How can I apply in the best way? Does it sound bad if I tell the employer that in the last years I did nothing professionally but that I am ready to learn new things?




    It depends on the position you're applying for - everyone has to "start" somewhere so there are entry level jobs where there isn't the same expectation of having experience. In these cases "I am ready to learn new things" is exactly the right attitude!



    Regarding "I did nothing professionally" while it might not feel like it you have. You mention some paid design/development work, even your family business venture counts! So rather than saying "I've done nothing" say something like:




    After school I joined a family business that unfortunately was unsuccessful and I've been doing some freelance work since then but I'm really keen to grow and develop that into a career using those skills so I'm very motivated to learn and develop my skills.




    Success in getting entry level jobs is at least 50% showing the right mindset!




    And should I also go for "higher jobs"?




    With all kindness I have to say no. The higher level the job the more likely companies are to want to be seeing some pretty substantial evidence that you've got experience and can do what they need. The rewards are greater certainly but so is the expectation and it just doesn't sound like you are there yet.



    Regarding the depression



    This isn't really something we can help with here at The Workplace SE but I didn't want to just ignore it - depression royally sucks and can have an inordinately crippling effect on your ability just to get through the day. But you aren't alone and it's not your fault and it can be treated/beaten, see your doctor, see a counselor, do both and above all cut yourself some slack and be nice to yourself.



    Hope things start looking up for you soon!







    share|improve this answer












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    answered 15 hours ago









    motosubatsumotosubatsu

    49.2k27133192




    49.2k27133192













    • Thank you very much. My initial goal was to apply for a "higher job" as an intern. I do not mean professional job when saying "higher" as almost everything above working in a production, like even working in an office doing entry stuff, is for me already a higher job because it feels like I'm not able to do them yet. But you pointed me some important things, thank you for this! Regarding the depression, it's not that it destroys me or so, but it had a deep impact regarding my life and especially social life. The thing with my "creative application" is, that I can cover the years with more t...

      – Mark
      15 hours ago











    • ... with more than text. For example instead of "I tried to learn X" I show for example a graphic I did or explain the exact task I did but in a creative way. I am not a professional webdesigner so I would need to use templates. But the company I wanted to apply at also used templates on their homepage, even one from 2012. That's where I could have helped.

      – Mark
      15 hours ago






    • 1





      "even your family business venture counts!" I upvoted just for this. @Mark: You grow up/learn a lot more through something like this than by attending any course. I've experienced this. And if you put it the right way, this is really something that can actually be a huge plus in an interview.

      – dim
      4 hours ago



















    • Thank you very much. My initial goal was to apply for a "higher job" as an intern. I do not mean professional job when saying "higher" as almost everything above working in a production, like even working in an office doing entry stuff, is for me already a higher job because it feels like I'm not able to do them yet. But you pointed me some important things, thank you for this! Regarding the depression, it's not that it destroys me or so, but it had a deep impact regarding my life and especially social life. The thing with my "creative application" is, that I can cover the years with more t...

      – Mark
      15 hours ago











    • ... with more than text. For example instead of "I tried to learn X" I show for example a graphic I did or explain the exact task I did but in a creative way. I am not a professional webdesigner so I would need to use templates. But the company I wanted to apply at also used templates on their homepage, even one from 2012. That's where I could have helped.

      – Mark
      15 hours ago






    • 1





      "even your family business venture counts!" I upvoted just for this. @Mark: You grow up/learn a lot more through something like this than by attending any course. I've experienced this. And if you put it the right way, this is really something that can actually be a huge plus in an interview.

      – dim
      4 hours ago

















    Thank you very much. My initial goal was to apply for a "higher job" as an intern. I do not mean professional job when saying "higher" as almost everything above working in a production, like even working in an office doing entry stuff, is for me already a higher job because it feels like I'm not able to do them yet. But you pointed me some important things, thank you for this! Regarding the depression, it's not that it destroys me or so, but it had a deep impact regarding my life and especially social life. The thing with my "creative application" is, that I can cover the years with more t...

    – Mark
    15 hours ago





    Thank you very much. My initial goal was to apply for a "higher job" as an intern. I do not mean professional job when saying "higher" as almost everything above working in a production, like even working in an office doing entry stuff, is for me already a higher job because it feels like I'm not able to do them yet. But you pointed me some important things, thank you for this! Regarding the depression, it's not that it destroys me or so, but it had a deep impact regarding my life and especially social life. The thing with my "creative application" is, that I can cover the years with more t...

    – Mark
    15 hours ago













    ... with more than text. For example instead of "I tried to learn X" I show for example a graphic I did or explain the exact task I did but in a creative way. I am not a professional webdesigner so I would need to use templates. But the company I wanted to apply at also used templates on their homepage, even one from 2012. That's where I could have helped.

    – Mark
    15 hours ago





    ... with more than text. For example instead of "I tried to learn X" I show for example a graphic I did or explain the exact task I did but in a creative way. I am not a professional webdesigner so I would need to use templates. But the company I wanted to apply at also used templates on their homepage, even one from 2012. That's where I could have helped.

    – Mark
    15 hours ago




    1




    1





    "even your family business venture counts!" I upvoted just for this. @Mark: You grow up/learn a lot more through something like this than by attending any course. I've experienced this. And if you put it the right way, this is really something that can actually be a huge plus in an interview.

    – dim
    4 hours ago





    "even your family business venture counts!" I upvoted just for this. @Mark: You grow up/learn a lot more through something like this than by attending any course. I've experienced this. And if you put it the right way, this is really something that can actually be a huge plus in an interview.

    – dim
    4 hours ago











    7














    Your low self confidence and harsh self-criticism are results of your abusive family



    Look at your language when talking about your family:




    Well I decided to try my, or let's say our, own way




    This is a red flag. There should be a clear boundary between what's 'my' way and what's 'our' way. It sounds like those two were entangled in the past. I'm glad they aren't anymore and you are starting to think about leaving.




    I was bound into the family




    Your family is holding you back.




    I also received no money "because the family needs it"




    Your family is not treating you well.




    live in a small space where I'm extremely stressed




    Your family is not healthy for you.




    get to bed sometimes crying because I feel overwhelmed




    Where is your family when that happens? Are they concerned about you? Are they helping you? They should be holding you when you cry. If they are not, then they are not being family to you at all. If they never have, and they never will, then don't try to fix them. Just leave.




    Partly because of family issues and I partly problems with depression and worse, which makes it even harder (but I don't want to get deeper into this)




    You must get deeper into this if you want to solve the confidence, the harsh self-criticism, and the never finishing projects.




    So I am thinking to accept "any job" to get my own apartment and from there on continue my life.




    Do it. And start reading as much as you can about abusive and neglectful families. When possible you will eventually benefit from severing the unhealthy relationships you have with your family. It doesn't necessarily mean no-contact, but you should focus on gaining independence from them and keeping them at a healthy distance.




    how can I overcome having low self confidence? When there's an opportunity, I always tell myself that I am too bad for it, they will find better guys and I cannot do this job or I do not have enough qualities for this. I really get nervous thinking about working at a job and not being good enough and then maybe even getting fired.




    These are all results of emotionally abusive parenting. I can recommend books that may help you heal from this. Specifically you might want to look for books on CPTSD.



    My email address is listed in my Stack Exchange profile page. I am being serious when I say that if you email me, I will send you a copy of the book that helped me.






    share|improve this answer


























    • I lived in an appartment with a good friend for a year before going back to my parents. Since I am back I really regret not enjoying the freedom I had there and I also learned through all of your comments in this thread that I actually am already on the right way - going my way - but did hold myself back because of things that shouldn't be my thing. Actually, yes, you're right, I experienced a life that some people didn't and I wish, that my grandpa, who was quiet the only one who helped me at black points, did not go that early.

      – Mark
      4 hours ago








    • 1





      I learned a lot today, because your objective comments helped me a lot to clear my mind. I won't take an appartment with any of my family members, despite loving them, but I now need place for myself. Thanks for a comment that brought me some tears...

      – Mark
      4 hours ago
















    7














    Your low self confidence and harsh self-criticism are results of your abusive family



    Look at your language when talking about your family:




    Well I decided to try my, or let's say our, own way




    This is a red flag. There should be a clear boundary between what's 'my' way and what's 'our' way. It sounds like those two were entangled in the past. I'm glad they aren't anymore and you are starting to think about leaving.




    I was bound into the family




    Your family is holding you back.




    I also received no money "because the family needs it"




    Your family is not treating you well.




    live in a small space where I'm extremely stressed




    Your family is not healthy for you.




    get to bed sometimes crying because I feel overwhelmed




    Where is your family when that happens? Are they concerned about you? Are they helping you? They should be holding you when you cry. If they are not, then they are not being family to you at all. If they never have, and they never will, then don't try to fix them. Just leave.




    Partly because of family issues and I partly problems with depression and worse, which makes it even harder (but I don't want to get deeper into this)




    You must get deeper into this if you want to solve the confidence, the harsh self-criticism, and the never finishing projects.




    So I am thinking to accept "any job" to get my own apartment and from there on continue my life.




    Do it. And start reading as much as you can about abusive and neglectful families. When possible you will eventually benefit from severing the unhealthy relationships you have with your family. It doesn't necessarily mean no-contact, but you should focus on gaining independence from them and keeping them at a healthy distance.




    how can I overcome having low self confidence? When there's an opportunity, I always tell myself that I am too bad for it, they will find better guys and I cannot do this job or I do not have enough qualities for this. I really get nervous thinking about working at a job and not being good enough and then maybe even getting fired.




    These are all results of emotionally abusive parenting. I can recommend books that may help you heal from this. Specifically you might want to look for books on CPTSD.



    My email address is listed in my Stack Exchange profile page. I am being serious when I say that if you email me, I will send you a copy of the book that helped me.






    share|improve this answer


























    • I lived in an appartment with a good friend for a year before going back to my parents. Since I am back I really regret not enjoying the freedom I had there and I also learned through all of your comments in this thread that I actually am already on the right way - going my way - but did hold myself back because of things that shouldn't be my thing. Actually, yes, you're right, I experienced a life that some people didn't and I wish, that my grandpa, who was quiet the only one who helped me at black points, did not go that early.

      – Mark
      4 hours ago








    • 1





      I learned a lot today, because your objective comments helped me a lot to clear my mind. I won't take an appartment with any of my family members, despite loving them, but I now need place for myself. Thanks for a comment that brought me some tears...

      – Mark
      4 hours ago














    7












    7








    7







    Your low self confidence and harsh self-criticism are results of your abusive family



    Look at your language when talking about your family:




    Well I decided to try my, or let's say our, own way




    This is a red flag. There should be a clear boundary between what's 'my' way and what's 'our' way. It sounds like those two were entangled in the past. I'm glad they aren't anymore and you are starting to think about leaving.




    I was bound into the family




    Your family is holding you back.




    I also received no money "because the family needs it"




    Your family is not treating you well.




    live in a small space where I'm extremely stressed




    Your family is not healthy for you.




    get to bed sometimes crying because I feel overwhelmed




    Where is your family when that happens? Are they concerned about you? Are they helping you? They should be holding you when you cry. If they are not, then they are not being family to you at all. If they never have, and they never will, then don't try to fix them. Just leave.




    Partly because of family issues and I partly problems with depression and worse, which makes it even harder (but I don't want to get deeper into this)




    You must get deeper into this if you want to solve the confidence, the harsh self-criticism, and the never finishing projects.




    So I am thinking to accept "any job" to get my own apartment and from there on continue my life.




    Do it. And start reading as much as you can about abusive and neglectful families. When possible you will eventually benefit from severing the unhealthy relationships you have with your family. It doesn't necessarily mean no-contact, but you should focus on gaining independence from them and keeping them at a healthy distance.




    how can I overcome having low self confidence? When there's an opportunity, I always tell myself that I am too bad for it, they will find better guys and I cannot do this job or I do not have enough qualities for this. I really get nervous thinking about working at a job and not being good enough and then maybe even getting fired.




    These are all results of emotionally abusive parenting. I can recommend books that may help you heal from this. Specifically you might want to look for books on CPTSD.



    My email address is listed in my Stack Exchange profile page. I am being serious when I say that if you email me, I will send you a copy of the book that helped me.






    share|improve this answer















    Your low self confidence and harsh self-criticism are results of your abusive family



    Look at your language when talking about your family:




    Well I decided to try my, or let's say our, own way




    This is a red flag. There should be a clear boundary between what's 'my' way and what's 'our' way. It sounds like those two were entangled in the past. I'm glad they aren't anymore and you are starting to think about leaving.




    I was bound into the family




    Your family is holding you back.




    I also received no money "because the family needs it"




    Your family is not treating you well.




    live in a small space where I'm extremely stressed




    Your family is not healthy for you.




    get to bed sometimes crying because I feel overwhelmed




    Where is your family when that happens? Are they concerned about you? Are they helping you? They should be holding you when you cry. If they are not, then they are not being family to you at all. If they never have, and they never will, then don't try to fix them. Just leave.




    Partly because of family issues and I partly problems with depression and worse, which makes it even harder (but I don't want to get deeper into this)




    You must get deeper into this if you want to solve the confidence, the harsh self-criticism, and the never finishing projects.




    So I am thinking to accept "any job" to get my own apartment and from there on continue my life.




    Do it. And start reading as much as you can about abusive and neglectful families. When possible you will eventually benefit from severing the unhealthy relationships you have with your family. It doesn't necessarily mean no-contact, but you should focus on gaining independence from them and keeping them at a healthy distance.




    how can I overcome having low self confidence? When there's an opportunity, I always tell myself that I am too bad for it, they will find better guys and I cannot do this job or I do not have enough qualities for this. I really get nervous thinking about working at a job and not being good enough and then maybe even getting fired.




    These are all results of emotionally abusive parenting. I can recommend books that may help you heal from this. Specifically you might want to look for books on CPTSD.



    My email address is listed in my Stack Exchange profile page. I am being serious when I say that if you email me, I will send you a copy of the book that helped me.







    share|improve this answer














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    answered 7 hours ago









    Jared KJared K

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    • I lived in an appartment with a good friend for a year before going back to my parents. Since I am back I really regret not enjoying the freedom I had there and I also learned through all of your comments in this thread that I actually am already on the right way - going my way - but did hold myself back because of things that shouldn't be my thing. Actually, yes, you're right, I experienced a life that some people didn't and I wish, that my grandpa, who was quiet the only one who helped me at black points, did not go that early.

      – Mark
      4 hours ago








    • 1





      I learned a lot today, because your objective comments helped me a lot to clear my mind. I won't take an appartment with any of my family members, despite loving them, but I now need place for myself. Thanks for a comment that brought me some tears...

      – Mark
      4 hours ago



















    • I lived in an appartment with a good friend for a year before going back to my parents. Since I am back I really regret not enjoying the freedom I had there and I also learned through all of your comments in this thread that I actually am already on the right way - going my way - but did hold myself back because of things that shouldn't be my thing. Actually, yes, you're right, I experienced a life that some people didn't and I wish, that my grandpa, who was quiet the only one who helped me at black points, did not go that early.

      – Mark
      4 hours ago








    • 1





      I learned a lot today, because your objective comments helped me a lot to clear my mind. I won't take an appartment with any of my family members, despite loving them, but I now need place for myself. Thanks for a comment that brought me some tears...

      – Mark
      4 hours ago

















    I lived in an appartment with a good friend for a year before going back to my parents. Since I am back I really regret not enjoying the freedom I had there and I also learned through all of your comments in this thread that I actually am already on the right way - going my way - but did hold myself back because of things that shouldn't be my thing. Actually, yes, you're right, I experienced a life that some people didn't and I wish, that my grandpa, who was quiet the only one who helped me at black points, did not go that early.

    – Mark
    4 hours ago







    I lived in an appartment with a good friend for a year before going back to my parents. Since I am back I really regret not enjoying the freedom I had there and I also learned through all of your comments in this thread that I actually am already on the right way - going my way - but did hold myself back because of things that shouldn't be my thing. Actually, yes, you're right, I experienced a life that some people didn't and I wish, that my grandpa, who was quiet the only one who helped me at black points, did not go that early.

    – Mark
    4 hours ago






    1




    1





    I learned a lot today, because your objective comments helped me a lot to clear my mind. I won't take an appartment with any of my family members, despite loving them, but I now need place for myself. Thanks for a comment that brought me some tears...

    – Mark
    4 hours ago





    I learned a lot today, because your objective comments helped me a lot to clear my mind. I won't take an appartment with any of my family members, despite loving them, but I now need place for myself. Thanks for a comment that brought me some tears...

    – Mark
    4 hours ago











    5














    Hello and welcome to the workplace!



    I have been in your place before (sort of).



    When I moved to the UK I did so alone, I stayed at a family friend's house for 3 weeks but then it was time to move. Moved into a room in a shared house and eventually into a flat and now into a house.



    Things take time, take one step at a time and don't worry about the rest.



    My first job in the UK was in a factory, it took me some time to get into customer service as I was branded as a factory worker as that was my first job. I have recently (2 years ago) moved into IT through internal applications and I am now working as a business analyst.



    As you can see, things can be achieved, but you have to break it down into processable chunks.



    For what you mentioned your first priority is leaving alone so:



    1 - Get a job anywhere! - Use agencies, local businesses, fastfood chains.
    Keep a steady income from your workplace and move out.



    2 - Move out! - No this is a tricky one. You want to go into IT so you will need to use most of your disposable income in training/certification for you to achieve this. Budget, budget, budget. Check how much you can safely pay each month for acommodation + expenses. Ensure you can always safe at least 10% of your income for a "rainy day" fund and still have some disposable income to use for the courses.



    3 - Set yourself goals! - Set a goal of how long until you sign up for a MCSA or Comptia certification course. Set a goal for what your salary needs to be to sustain your lifestyle + further certificates (which are usually pricier than the entry level ones).



    4 - apply for support jobs, apply for anything that has any sort of IT component in the title or specification. Use all the interviews as training sources so that when the job you REALLY want shows up, you know how to behave.



    5 - (possibly should be number 2) Find a hobby! If you struggle with depression being alone might not be the best if all you do everyday is work. Find a hobby that makes you stretch. This can be anything from gaming (TCG like magic the gathering are great for this) or indie game development and anything in-between.



    That is my 2c piece of advice regarding your job position. Regarding the depression and personal problems, please seek professional help. All of this means nothing if you are not happy nor enjoy life.






    share|improve this answer
























    • Thank you, your 2c are way more worth than that for me! Your story really motivates me and it becomes clearer for me, what steps I have to take. My first step therefor is taking any job and an appartment. Then I have much less stress but time for me. And from there on build up step by step. Thank you, really appreciate that!

      – Mark
      15 hours ago






    • 1





      @Mark just remember life is not a lone walk. Surround yourself of people you love, friends, family, whatever they may be. Religion can be a good comforter as well. I have been in the UK now for 7 years and went from earning 12.000 a year to 41.000 a year. You get out of life as much as you put in, but there will be stumbling blocks on the way. Always have the attitude that, other than death, any problem has a solution. But there is no need wasting your time worrying about the problem, the solution is what matters.

      – fireshark519
      15 hours ago











    • Thank you very much! Actually I currently prefer being alone or selecting a few friends as I had only fake friends over the past years even tho I only had like 1-2 at the same time. Thank you!

      – Mark
      15 hours ago






    • 1





      MTG can be an expensive hobby so maybe not the best choice until Mark has some income coming in. Once you do have a little disposable income though I agree it's a great way to get out of the house and meet people and those people are likely to be reasonably non-judgmental types!

      – Tim B
      11 hours ago











    • Sorry, but what is MTG?

      – Mark
      4 hours ago
















    5














    Hello and welcome to the workplace!



    I have been in your place before (sort of).



    When I moved to the UK I did so alone, I stayed at a family friend's house for 3 weeks but then it was time to move. Moved into a room in a shared house and eventually into a flat and now into a house.



    Things take time, take one step at a time and don't worry about the rest.



    My first job in the UK was in a factory, it took me some time to get into customer service as I was branded as a factory worker as that was my first job. I have recently (2 years ago) moved into IT through internal applications and I am now working as a business analyst.



    As you can see, things can be achieved, but you have to break it down into processable chunks.



    For what you mentioned your first priority is leaving alone so:



    1 - Get a job anywhere! - Use agencies, local businesses, fastfood chains.
    Keep a steady income from your workplace and move out.



    2 - Move out! - No this is a tricky one. You want to go into IT so you will need to use most of your disposable income in training/certification for you to achieve this. Budget, budget, budget. Check how much you can safely pay each month for acommodation + expenses. Ensure you can always safe at least 10% of your income for a "rainy day" fund and still have some disposable income to use for the courses.



    3 - Set yourself goals! - Set a goal of how long until you sign up for a MCSA or Comptia certification course. Set a goal for what your salary needs to be to sustain your lifestyle + further certificates (which are usually pricier than the entry level ones).



    4 - apply for support jobs, apply for anything that has any sort of IT component in the title or specification. Use all the interviews as training sources so that when the job you REALLY want shows up, you know how to behave.



    5 - (possibly should be number 2) Find a hobby! If you struggle with depression being alone might not be the best if all you do everyday is work. Find a hobby that makes you stretch. This can be anything from gaming (TCG like magic the gathering are great for this) or indie game development and anything in-between.



    That is my 2c piece of advice regarding your job position. Regarding the depression and personal problems, please seek professional help. All of this means nothing if you are not happy nor enjoy life.






    share|improve this answer
























    • Thank you, your 2c are way more worth than that for me! Your story really motivates me and it becomes clearer for me, what steps I have to take. My first step therefor is taking any job and an appartment. Then I have much less stress but time for me. And from there on build up step by step. Thank you, really appreciate that!

      – Mark
      15 hours ago






    • 1





      @Mark just remember life is not a lone walk. Surround yourself of people you love, friends, family, whatever they may be. Religion can be a good comforter as well. I have been in the UK now for 7 years and went from earning 12.000 a year to 41.000 a year. You get out of life as much as you put in, but there will be stumbling blocks on the way. Always have the attitude that, other than death, any problem has a solution. But there is no need wasting your time worrying about the problem, the solution is what matters.

      – fireshark519
      15 hours ago











    • Thank you very much! Actually I currently prefer being alone or selecting a few friends as I had only fake friends over the past years even tho I only had like 1-2 at the same time. Thank you!

      – Mark
      15 hours ago






    • 1





      MTG can be an expensive hobby so maybe not the best choice until Mark has some income coming in. Once you do have a little disposable income though I agree it's a great way to get out of the house and meet people and those people are likely to be reasonably non-judgmental types!

      – Tim B
      11 hours ago











    • Sorry, but what is MTG?

      – Mark
      4 hours ago














    5












    5








    5







    Hello and welcome to the workplace!



    I have been in your place before (sort of).



    When I moved to the UK I did so alone, I stayed at a family friend's house for 3 weeks but then it was time to move. Moved into a room in a shared house and eventually into a flat and now into a house.



    Things take time, take one step at a time and don't worry about the rest.



    My first job in the UK was in a factory, it took me some time to get into customer service as I was branded as a factory worker as that was my first job. I have recently (2 years ago) moved into IT through internal applications and I am now working as a business analyst.



    As you can see, things can be achieved, but you have to break it down into processable chunks.



    For what you mentioned your first priority is leaving alone so:



    1 - Get a job anywhere! - Use agencies, local businesses, fastfood chains.
    Keep a steady income from your workplace and move out.



    2 - Move out! - No this is a tricky one. You want to go into IT so you will need to use most of your disposable income in training/certification for you to achieve this. Budget, budget, budget. Check how much you can safely pay each month for acommodation + expenses. Ensure you can always safe at least 10% of your income for a "rainy day" fund and still have some disposable income to use for the courses.



    3 - Set yourself goals! - Set a goal of how long until you sign up for a MCSA or Comptia certification course. Set a goal for what your salary needs to be to sustain your lifestyle + further certificates (which are usually pricier than the entry level ones).



    4 - apply for support jobs, apply for anything that has any sort of IT component in the title or specification. Use all the interviews as training sources so that when the job you REALLY want shows up, you know how to behave.



    5 - (possibly should be number 2) Find a hobby! If you struggle with depression being alone might not be the best if all you do everyday is work. Find a hobby that makes you stretch. This can be anything from gaming (TCG like magic the gathering are great for this) or indie game development and anything in-between.



    That is my 2c piece of advice regarding your job position. Regarding the depression and personal problems, please seek professional help. All of this means nothing if you are not happy nor enjoy life.






    share|improve this answer













    Hello and welcome to the workplace!



    I have been in your place before (sort of).



    When I moved to the UK I did so alone, I stayed at a family friend's house for 3 weeks but then it was time to move. Moved into a room in a shared house and eventually into a flat and now into a house.



    Things take time, take one step at a time and don't worry about the rest.



    My first job in the UK was in a factory, it took me some time to get into customer service as I was branded as a factory worker as that was my first job. I have recently (2 years ago) moved into IT through internal applications and I am now working as a business analyst.



    As you can see, things can be achieved, but you have to break it down into processable chunks.



    For what you mentioned your first priority is leaving alone so:



    1 - Get a job anywhere! - Use agencies, local businesses, fastfood chains.
    Keep a steady income from your workplace and move out.



    2 - Move out! - No this is a tricky one. You want to go into IT so you will need to use most of your disposable income in training/certification for you to achieve this. Budget, budget, budget. Check how much you can safely pay each month for acommodation + expenses. Ensure you can always safe at least 10% of your income for a "rainy day" fund and still have some disposable income to use for the courses.



    3 - Set yourself goals! - Set a goal of how long until you sign up for a MCSA or Comptia certification course. Set a goal for what your salary needs to be to sustain your lifestyle + further certificates (which are usually pricier than the entry level ones).



    4 - apply for support jobs, apply for anything that has any sort of IT component in the title or specification. Use all the interviews as training sources so that when the job you REALLY want shows up, you know how to behave.



    5 - (possibly should be number 2) Find a hobby! If you struggle with depression being alone might not be the best if all you do everyday is work. Find a hobby that makes you stretch. This can be anything from gaming (TCG like magic the gathering are great for this) or indie game development and anything in-between.



    That is my 2c piece of advice regarding your job position. Regarding the depression and personal problems, please seek professional help. All of this means nothing if you are not happy nor enjoy life.







    share|improve this answer












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    answered 15 hours ago









    fireshark519fireshark519

    938112




    938112













    • Thank you, your 2c are way more worth than that for me! Your story really motivates me and it becomes clearer for me, what steps I have to take. My first step therefor is taking any job and an appartment. Then I have much less stress but time for me. And from there on build up step by step. Thank you, really appreciate that!

      – Mark
      15 hours ago






    • 1





      @Mark just remember life is not a lone walk. Surround yourself of people you love, friends, family, whatever they may be. Religion can be a good comforter as well. I have been in the UK now for 7 years and went from earning 12.000 a year to 41.000 a year. You get out of life as much as you put in, but there will be stumbling blocks on the way. Always have the attitude that, other than death, any problem has a solution. But there is no need wasting your time worrying about the problem, the solution is what matters.

      – fireshark519
      15 hours ago











    • Thank you very much! Actually I currently prefer being alone or selecting a few friends as I had only fake friends over the past years even tho I only had like 1-2 at the same time. Thank you!

      – Mark
      15 hours ago






    • 1





      MTG can be an expensive hobby so maybe not the best choice until Mark has some income coming in. Once you do have a little disposable income though I agree it's a great way to get out of the house and meet people and those people are likely to be reasonably non-judgmental types!

      – Tim B
      11 hours ago











    • Sorry, but what is MTG?

      – Mark
      4 hours ago



















    • Thank you, your 2c are way more worth than that for me! Your story really motivates me and it becomes clearer for me, what steps I have to take. My first step therefor is taking any job and an appartment. Then I have much less stress but time for me. And from there on build up step by step. Thank you, really appreciate that!

      – Mark
      15 hours ago






    • 1





      @Mark just remember life is not a lone walk. Surround yourself of people you love, friends, family, whatever they may be. Religion can be a good comforter as well. I have been in the UK now for 7 years and went from earning 12.000 a year to 41.000 a year. You get out of life as much as you put in, but there will be stumbling blocks on the way. Always have the attitude that, other than death, any problem has a solution. But there is no need wasting your time worrying about the problem, the solution is what matters.

      – fireshark519
      15 hours ago











    • Thank you very much! Actually I currently prefer being alone or selecting a few friends as I had only fake friends over the past years even tho I only had like 1-2 at the same time. Thank you!

      – Mark
      15 hours ago






    • 1





      MTG can be an expensive hobby so maybe not the best choice until Mark has some income coming in. Once you do have a little disposable income though I agree it's a great way to get out of the house and meet people and those people are likely to be reasonably non-judgmental types!

      – Tim B
      11 hours ago











    • Sorry, but what is MTG?

      – Mark
      4 hours ago

















    Thank you, your 2c are way more worth than that for me! Your story really motivates me and it becomes clearer for me, what steps I have to take. My first step therefor is taking any job and an appartment. Then I have much less stress but time for me. And from there on build up step by step. Thank you, really appreciate that!

    – Mark
    15 hours ago





    Thank you, your 2c are way more worth than that for me! Your story really motivates me and it becomes clearer for me, what steps I have to take. My first step therefor is taking any job and an appartment. Then I have much less stress but time for me. And from there on build up step by step. Thank you, really appreciate that!

    – Mark
    15 hours ago




    1




    1





    @Mark just remember life is not a lone walk. Surround yourself of people you love, friends, family, whatever they may be. Religion can be a good comforter as well. I have been in the UK now for 7 years and went from earning 12.000 a year to 41.000 a year. You get out of life as much as you put in, but there will be stumbling blocks on the way. Always have the attitude that, other than death, any problem has a solution. But there is no need wasting your time worrying about the problem, the solution is what matters.

    – fireshark519
    15 hours ago





    @Mark just remember life is not a lone walk. Surround yourself of people you love, friends, family, whatever they may be. Religion can be a good comforter as well. I have been in the UK now for 7 years and went from earning 12.000 a year to 41.000 a year. You get out of life as much as you put in, but there will be stumbling blocks on the way. Always have the attitude that, other than death, any problem has a solution. But there is no need wasting your time worrying about the problem, the solution is what matters.

    – fireshark519
    15 hours ago













    Thank you very much! Actually I currently prefer being alone or selecting a few friends as I had only fake friends over the past years even tho I only had like 1-2 at the same time. Thank you!

    – Mark
    15 hours ago





    Thank you very much! Actually I currently prefer being alone or selecting a few friends as I had only fake friends over the past years even tho I only had like 1-2 at the same time. Thank you!

    – Mark
    15 hours ago




    1




    1





    MTG can be an expensive hobby so maybe not the best choice until Mark has some income coming in. Once you do have a little disposable income though I agree it's a great way to get out of the house and meet people and those people are likely to be reasonably non-judgmental types!

    – Tim B
    11 hours ago





    MTG can be an expensive hobby so maybe not the best choice until Mark has some income coming in. Once you do have a little disposable income though I agree it's a great way to get out of the house and meet people and those people are likely to be reasonably non-judgmental types!

    – Tim B
    11 hours ago













    Sorry, but what is MTG?

    – Mark
    4 hours ago





    Sorry, but what is MTG?

    – Mark
    4 hours ago











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    You might want to try some accredited courses in the field that you want to work. This is if you are set on a specific field and somewhat sure that you want to pursue a certain career, because this would mean a couple of months when you just learn, not earn any money and also have to pay for the courses. During this time you could get "any job" to cover the costs (I believe most jobs are paid decently in Germany). This could help you build a better CV even if the school system failed to teach you marketable skills. It's never too late to change your career direction, if you're willing to learn.



    About being afraid to apply or not being good enough at your job after you get it, this is something most people experience at the start of their career. What you need to focus on here is that it's the company's job to decide if you're good enough and it's your duty to apply no matter what if you desire that position (and be truthful in your CV). After that, if they select you and despite you doing your best, you are still not up to the tasks, it's their recruiting process that failed. Good luck!






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    • We in germany have a minimum-wage which covers the most needed costs. Depending on where I want to live (I actually could live quiet cheap), I could have some money left to use it for education and learning. For me it's more the fear of applying and especially losing / not being good enough that holds me back.

      – Mark
      15 hours ago






    • 1





      In that case, focus on the second part of my answer. Study and finish personal projects until you are confident enough and don't let interviews that go badly bring you down, we've all been through them. And if your employer decides you're good enough to be employed, odds are that if you put some effort, you'll do well

      – Sarbus
      14 hours ago











    • Thank you very much! I look more positive now into my future. You guys are helpful!

      – Mark
      13 hours ago
















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    You might want to try some accredited courses in the field that you want to work. This is if you are set on a specific field and somewhat sure that you want to pursue a certain career, because this would mean a couple of months when you just learn, not earn any money and also have to pay for the courses. During this time you could get "any job" to cover the costs (I believe most jobs are paid decently in Germany). This could help you build a better CV even if the school system failed to teach you marketable skills. It's never too late to change your career direction, if you're willing to learn.



    About being afraid to apply or not being good enough at your job after you get it, this is something most people experience at the start of their career. What you need to focus on here is that it's the company's job to decide if you're good enough and it's your duty to apply no matter what if you desire that position (and be truthful in your CV). After that, if they select you and despite you doing your best, you are still not up to the tasks, it's their recruiting process that failed. Good luck!






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    • We in germany have a minimum-wage which covers the most needed costs. Depending on where I want to live (I actually could live quiet cheap), I could have some money left to use it for education and learning. For me it's more the fear of applying and especially losing / not being good enough that holds me back.

      – Mark
      15 hours ago






    • 1





      In that case, focus on the second part of my answer. Study and finish personal projects until you are confident enough and don't let interviews that go badly bring you down, we've all been through them. And if your employer decides you're good enough to be employed, odds are that if you put some effort, you'll do well

      – Sarbus
      14 hours ago











    • Thank you very much! I look more positive now into my future. You guys are helpful!

      – Mark
      13 hours ago














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    3








    3







    You might want to try some accredited courses in the field that you want to work. This is if you are set on a specific field and somewhat sure that you want to pursue a certain career, because this would mean a couple of months when you just learn, not earn any money and also have to pay for the courses. During this time you could get "any job" to cover the costs (I believe most jobs are paid decently in Germany). This could help you build a better CV even if the school system failed to teach you marketable skills. It's never too late to change your career direction, if you're willing to learn.



    About being afraid to apply or not being good enough at your job after you get it, this is something most people experience at the start of their career. What you need to focus on here is that it's the company's job to decide if you're good enough and it's your duty to apply no matter what if you desire that position (and be truthful in your CV). After that, if they select you and despite you doing your best, you are still not up to the tasks, it's their recruiting process that failed. Good luck!






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    You might want to try some accredited courses in the field that you want to work. This is if you are set on a specific field and somewhat sure that you want to pursue a certain career, because this would mean a couple of months when you just learn, not earn any money and also have to pay for the courses. During this time you could get "any job" to cover the costs (I believe most jobs are paid decently in Germany). This could help you build a better CV even if the school system failed to teach you marketable skills. It's never too late to change your career direction, if you're willing to learn.



    About being afraid to apply or not being good enough at your job after you get it, this is something most people experience at the start of their career. What you need to focus on here is that it's the company's job to decide if you're good enough and it's your duty to apply no matter what if you desire that position (and be truthful in your CV). After that, if they select you and despite you doing your best, you are still not up to the tasks, it's their recruiting process that failed. Good luck!







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    • We in germany have a minimum-wage which covers the most needed costs. Depending on where I want to live (I actually could live quiet cheap), I could have some money left to use it for education and learning. For me it's more the fear of applying and especially losing / not being good enough that holds me back.

      – Mark
      15 hours ago






    • 1





      In that case, focus on the second part of my answer. Study and finish personal projects until you are confident enough and don't let interviews that go badly bring you down, we've all been through them. And if your employer decides you're good enough to be employed, odds are that if you put some effort, you'll do well

      – Sarbus
      14 hours ago











    • Thank you very much! I look more positive now into my future. You guys are helpful!

      – Mark
      13 hours ago



















    • We in germany have a minimum-wage which covers the most needed costs. Depending on where I want to live (I actually could live quiet cheap), I could have some money left to use it for education and learning. For me it's more the fear of applying and especially losing / not being good enough that holds me back.

      – Mark
      15 hours ago






    • 1





      In that case, focus on the second part of my answer. Study and finish personal projects until you are confident enough and don't let interviews that go badly bring you down, we've all been through them. And if your employer decides you're good enough to be employed, odds are that if you put some effort, you'll do well

      – Sarbus
      14 hours ago











    • Thank you very much! I look more positive now into my future. You guys are helpful!

      – Mark
      13 hours ago

















    We in germany have a minimum-wage which covers the most needed costs. Depending on where I want to live (I actually could live quiet cheap), I could have some money left to use it for education and learning. For me it's more the fear of applying and especially losing / not being good enough that holds me back.

    – Mark
    15 hours ago





    We in germany have a minimum-wage which covers the most needed costs. Depending on where I want to live (I actually could live quiet cheap), I could have some money left to use it for education and learning. For me it's more the fear of applying and especially losing / not being good enough that holds me back.

    – Mark
    15 hours ago




    1




    1





    In that case, focus on the second part of my answer. Study and finish personal projects until you are confident enough and don't let interviews that go badly bring you down, we've all been through them. And if your employer decides you're good enough to be employed, odds are that if you put some effort, you'll do well

    – Sarbus
    14 hours ago





    In that case, focus on the second part of my answer. Study and finish personal projects until you are confident enough and don't let interviews that go badly bring you down, we've all been through them. And if your employer decides you're good enough to be employed, odds are that if you put some effort, you'll do well

    – Sarbus
    14 hours ago













    Thank you very much! I look more positive now into my future. You guys are helpful!

    – Mark
    13 hours ago





    Thank you very much! I look more positive now into my future. You guys are helpful!

    – Mark
    13 hours ago











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    Your first problem is money and living space, so fix those. Get a job at Aldi's if you have to - but get a job. Then find a place to live. Somewhere cheap, 'roommate needed', whatever.



    Then, spend time working on your own website, and design work, and whatever else you can. For pay if you can find it, for yourself if you can't; but that's how you get a portfolio going.





    I graduated college with a useless degree during an economic downturn, and failed to find a job for months. Eventually I found a job working at a bookstore, and spent about five years there working my way up - proving my customer service and management skills.



    Finally, I managed to find a position doing what I should've gone to college for in the first place - programming/development - and have been happily employed in that field, making plenty of money, ever since.



    The key was to start with a job, though, instead of holding out for the perfect job (that I wasn't really qualified for either) - just finding a job. Once you have a job, you can do the rest in your own time; and if it takes five years of working at Aldi's, well, at least your meals will be cheap.






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      And added to this - come on over to Personal Finance & Money once you are ready to start budgeting in order to move out, we've got lots of good questions on the subject, and lots of folks over there who can help!

      – Joe
      10 hours ago






    • 1





      This seems US specific, OP is in Germany. Or am I reading you wrong?

      – Jared Smith
      10 hours ago






    • 4





      Aldi started in Germany. But it may be just an example. Could also be Lidl or Simply or fast food or some other low-skill minimum wage place to start.

      – WGroleau
      10 hours ago








    • 1





      Yes, Aldi is an example, but it's an example of a German chain (my sister lived in Germany down the road from one, in fact!)

      – Joe
      8 hours ago













    • Yes, Joe was right. I get what he tells me, and he is absolutely correct. Here in germany you get easily into such jobs. Not that easily but they're some great starting points because the tasks mainly are ready for everyone. You're right and that's the path I will take. The beginning will be hard but I am sure that with the additional own space it will be way easier than it is for now.

      – Mark
      4 hours ago
















    2














    Your first problem is money and living space, so fix those. Get a job at Aldi's if you have to - but get a job. Then find a place to live. Somewhere cheap, 'roommate needed', whatever.



    Then, spend time working on your own website, and design work, and whatever else you can. For pay if you can find it, for yourself if you can't; but that's how you get a portfolio going.





    I graduated college with a useless degree during an economic downturn, and failed to find a job for months. Eventually I found a job working at a bookstore, and spent about five years there working my way up - proving my customer service and management skills.



    Finally, I managed to find a position doing what I should've gone to college for in the first place - programming/development - and have been happily employed in that field, making plenty of money, ever since.



    The key was to start with a job, though, instead of holding out for the perfect job (that I wasn't really qualified for either) - just finding a job. Once you have a job, you can do the rest in your own time; and if it takes five years of working at Aldi's, well, at least your meals will be cheap.






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    • 2





      And added to this - come on over to Personal Finance & Money once you are ready to start budgeting in order to move out, we've got lots of good questions on the subject, and lots of folks over there who can help!

      – Joe
      10 hours ago






    • 1





      This seems US specific, OP is in Germany. Or am I reading you wrong?

      – Jared Smith
      10 hours ago






    • 4





      Aldi started in Germany. But it may be just an example. Could also be Lidl or Simply or fast food or some other low-skill minimum wage place to start.

      – WGroleau
      10 hours ago








    • 1





      Yes, Aldi is an example, but it's an example of a German chain (my sister lived in Germany down the road from one, in fact!)

      – Joe
      8 hours ago













    • Yes, Joe was right. I get what he tells me, and he is absolutely correct. Here in germany you get easily into such jobs. Not that easily but they're some great starting points because the tasks mainly are ready for everyone. You're right and that's the path I will take. The beginning will be hard but I am sure that with the additional own space it will be way easier than it is for now.

      – Mark
      4 hours ago














    2












    2








    2







    Your first problem is money and living space, so fix those. Get a job at Aldi's if you have to - but get a job. Then find a place to live. Somewhere cheap, 'roommate needed', whatever.



    Then, spend time working on your own website, and design work, and whatever else you can. For pay if you can find it, for yourself if you can't; but that's how you get a portfolio going.





    I graduated college with a useless degree during an economic downturn, and failed to find a job for months. Eventually I found a job working at a bookstore, and spent about five years there working my way up - proving my customer service and management skills.



    Finally, I managed to find a position doing what I should've gone to college for in the first place - programming/development - and have been happily employed in that field, making plenty of money, ever since.



    The key was to start with a job, though, instead of holding out for the perfect job (that I wasn't really qualified for either) - just finding a job. Once you have a job, you can do the rest in your own time; and if it takes five years of working at Aldi's, well, at least your meals will be cheap.






    share|improve this answer













    Your first problem is money and living space, so fix those. Get a job at Aldi's if you have to - but get a job. Then find a place to live. Somewhere cheap, 'roommate needed', whatever.



    Then, spend time working on your own website, and design work, and whatever else you can. For pay if you can find it, for yourself if you can't; but that's how you get a portfolio going.





    I graduated college with a useless degree during an economic downturn, and failed to find a job for months. Eventually I found a job working at a bookstore, and spent about five years there working my way up - proving my customer service and management skills.



    Finally, I managed to find a position doing what I should've gone to college for in the first place - programming/development - and have been happily employed in that field, making plenty of money, ever since.



    The key was to start with a job, though, instead of holding out for the perfect job (that I wasn't really qualified for either) - just finding a job. Once you have a job, you can do the rest in your own time; and if it takes five years of working at Aldi's, well, at least your meals will be cheap.







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    answered 10 hours ago









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    • 2





      And added to this - come on over to Personal Finance & Money once you are ready to start budgeting in order to move out, we've got lots of good questions on the subject, and lots of folks over there who can help!

      – Joe
      10 hours ago






    • 1





      This seems US specific, OP is in Germany. Or am I reading you wrong?

      – Jared Smith
      10 hours ago






    • 4





      Aldi started in Germany. But it may be just an example. Could also be Lidl or Simply or fast food or some other low-skill minimum wage place to start.

      – WGroleau
      10 hours ago








    • 1





      Yes, Aldi is an example, but it's an example of a German chain (my sister lived in Germany down the road from one, in fact!)

      – Joe
      8 hours ago













    • Yes, Joe was right. I get what he tells me, and he is absolutely correct. Here in germany you get easily into such jobs. Not that easily but they're some great starting points because the tasks mainly are ready for everyone. You're right and that's the path I will take. The beginning will be hard but I am sure that with the additional own space it will be way easier than it is for now.

      – Mark
      4 hours ago














    • 2





      And added to this - come on over to Personal Finance & Money once you are ready to start budgeting in order to move out, we've got lots of good questions on the subject, and lots of folks over there who can help!

      – Joe
      10 hours ago






    • 1





      This seems US specific, OP is in Germany. Or am I reading you wrong?

      – Jared Smith
      10 hours ago






    • 4





      Aldi started in Germany. But it may be just an example. Could also be Lidl or Simply or fast food or some other low-skill minimum wage place to start.

      – WGroleau
      10 hours ago








    • 1





      Yes, Aldi is an example, but it's an example of a German chain (my sister lived in Germany down the road from one, in fact!)

      – Joe
      8 hours ago













    • Yes, Joe was right. I get what he tells me, and he is absolutely correct. Here in germany you get easily into such jobs. Not that easily but they're some great starting points because the tasks mainly are ready for everyone. You're right and that's the path I will take. The beginning will be hard but I am sure that with the additional own space it will be way easier than it is for now.

      – Mark
      4 hours ago








    2




    2





    And added to this - come on over to Personal Finance & Money once you are ready to start budgeting in order to move out, we've got lots of good questions on the subject, and lots of folks over there who can help!

    – Joe
    10 hours ago





    And added to this - come on over to Personal Finance & Money once you are ready to start budgeting in order to move out, we've got lots of good questions on the subject, and lots of folks over there who can help!

    – Joe
    10 hours ago




    1




    1





    This seems US specific, OP is in Germany. Or am I reading you wrong?

    – Jared Smith
    10 hours ago





    This seems US specific, OP is in Germany. Or am I reading you wrong?

    – Jared Smith
    10 hours ago




    4




    4





    Aldi started in Germany. But it may be just an example. Could also be Lidl or Simply or fast food or some other low-skill minimum wage place to start.

    – WGroleau
    10 hours ago







    Aldi started in Germany. But it may be just an example. Could also be Lidl or Simply or fast food or some other low-skill minimum wage place to start.

    – WGroleau
    10 hours ago






    1




    1





    Yes, Aldi is an example, but it's an example of a German chain (my sister lived in Germany down the road from one, in fact!)

    – Joe
    8 hours ago







    Yes, Aldi is an example, but it's an example of a German chain (my sister lived in Germany down the road from one, in fact!)

    – Joe
    8 hours ago















    Yes, Joe was right. I get what he tells me, and he is absolutely correct. Here in germany you get easily into such jobs. Not that easily but they're some great starting points because the tasks mainly are ready for everyone. You're right and that's the path I will take. The beginning will be hard but I am sure that with the additional own space it will be way easier than it is for now.

    – Mark
    4 hours ago





    Yes, Joe was right. I get what he tells me, and he is absolutely correct. Here in germany you get easily into such jobs. Not that easily but they're some great starting points because the tasks mainly are ready for everyone. You're right and that's the path I will take. The beginning will be hard but I am sure that with the additional own space it will be way easier than it is for now.

    – Mark
    4 hours ago











    1














    Although I'm not based in Germany, I experienced a similar situation where companies were particularly critical of applications (often with the catch-22 of 'you need experience to get experience') and equally as dismissive of apprenticeships (in my experience they just did a fast turnover to get cheap labour and preferred younger candidates).




    The problem is: My application is shit. I cannot show exactly what I did, because there's nothing I've finished.




    Gain experience by doing volunteering



    If there's a specific sector of work you want to get into, the easiest way to gain experience and overcome the hurdle of 'need experience to get experience' is to do volunteering in the charity sector in a job similar to the area you're interested in. For example, I did IT work for an animal rescue shelter.



    Although the work is unpaid, you'll be getting several things in return; experience to put on your CV, references, and even social contacts.



    Charities are less picky than corporations when it comes to applications, because of course, the work is free. Note that there is an uptick in volunteering so there might be some declinations, but persist.



    Once you gain sufficient experience, you can use volunteering as a foot in the door to get a paying job.




    How can I apply in the best way?




    Personalise your applciations



    Whether it's the cover letter or the CV. Learn about the company you want to apply for, and modify your CV to list only skills that are relevant to the job. Omission of data isn't dishonest, either - you're saving the interviewer important time by narrowing to only the facts they would be interested in.



    I got more interview offers with custom CVs and letters than I did with boilerplate sendouts.




    Does it sound bad if I tell the employer that in the last years I did nothing professionally but that I am ready to learn new things?




    Focus on the positives, or what you've learned



    You should just say you're eager to learn things. Avoid mentioning negatives about yourself. Regarding any 'failures', they're not failures - they're learning experiences. Focus on what you learned from it. If something went wrong, what did you learn from it? What will you do differently next time?




    And should I also go for "higher jobs"?




    Keep it realistic



    Your application might not be suitable for netting higher jobs - yet. You should aim for lateral job prospects, which means you start off in a job less relevant to your skills, but within the company, you demonstrate the skills for the job role you want.



    I was once offered a web development role after applying for a cleaning job (as I had hinted at having web dev skills), and in another role I was promoted from a temporary job role to fixed term because of my demonstrated IT skillsets (which were demo'd whilst working at the company).



    One way to do this is to show any interesting side projects that you've done at home in your free time to your manager if you feel they're might be receptive to it. Obviously, don't share anything you not okay with the company taking for themselves.




    And how can I overcome having low self confidence?




    It'll come with time



    You'll naturally start to overcome some of it when you see your work being valued by others, for example, at a charity or within an organisation. I think at the moment you're seeing all these false signals that make you think you're worthless (like 'agh, my CV has gaps in it!') but in truth everyone has been through an empty CV at some point, and you'll gain that confidence with time.



    Focus on small steps



    Break any problems down into the smallest unit possible, and then try to solve that problem. With small steps, eventually everything else will start to fall into place.



    And I wanted to add, for the record, you're not a loser, you're a human being like the rest of us. Don't feel like mistakes define you, everybody makes mistakes. The way to win is to learn at much as you can from them.






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      Although I'm not based in Germany, I experienced a similar situation where companies were particularly critical of applications (often with the catch-22 of 'you need experience to get experience') and equally as dismissive of apprenticeships (in my experience they just did a fast turnover to get cheap labour and preferred younger candidates).




      The problem is: My application is shit. I cannot show exactly what I did, because there's nothing I've finished.




      Gain experience by doing volunteering



      If there's a specific sector of work you want to get into, the easiest way to gain experience and overcome the hurdle of 'need experience to get experience' is to do volunteering in the charity sector in a job similar to the area you're interested in. For example, I did IT work for an animal rescue shelter.



      Although the work is unpaid, you'll be getting several things in return; experience to put on your CV, references, and even social contacts.



      Charities are less picky than corporations when it comes to applications, because of course, the work is free. Note that there is an uptick in volunteering so there might be some declinations, but persist.



      Once you gain sufficient experience, you can use volunteering as a foot in the door to get a paying job.




      How can I apply in the best way?




      Personalise your applciations



      Whether it's the cover letter or the CV. Learn about the company you want to apply for, and modify your CV to list only skills that are relevant to the job. Omission of data isn't dishonest, either - you're saving the interviewer important time by narrowing to only the facts they would be interested in.



      I got more interview offers with custom CVs and letters than I did with boilerplate sendouts.




      Does it sound bad if I tell the employer that in the last years I did nothing professionally but that I am ready to learn new things?




      Focus on the positives, or what you've learned



      You should just say you're eager to learn things. Avoid mentioning negatives about yourself. Regarding any 'failures', they're not failures - they're learning experiences. Focus on what you learned from it. If something went wrong, what did you learn from it? What will you do differently next time?




      And should I also go for "higher jobs"?




      Keep it realistic



      Your application might not be suitable for netting higher jobs - yet. You should aim for lateral job prospects, which means you start off in a job less relevant to your skills, but within the company, you demonstrate the skills for the job role you want.



      I was once offered a web development role after applying for a cleaning job (as I had hinted at having web dev skills), and in another role I was promoted from a temporary job role to fixed term because of my demonstrated IT skillsets (which were demo'd whilst working at the company).



      One way to do this is to show any interesting side projects that you've done at home in your free time to your manager if you feel they're might be receptive to it. Obviously, don't share anything you not okay with the company taking for themselves.




      And how can I overcome having low self confidence?




      It'll come with time



      You'll naturally start to overcome some of it when you see your work being valued by others, for example, at a charity or within an organisation. I think at the moment you're seeing all these false signals that make you think you're worthless (like 'agh, my CV has gaps in it!') but in truth everyone has been through an empty CV at some point, and you'll gain that confidence with time.



      Focus on small steps



      Break any problems down into the smallest unit possible, and then try to solve that problem. With small steps, eventually everything else will start to fall into place.



      And I wanted to add, for the record, you're not a loser, you're a human being like the rest of us. Don't feel like mistakes define you, everybody makes mistakes. The way to win is to learn at much as you can from them.






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        Although I'm not based in Germany, I experienced a similar situation where companies were particularly critical of applications (often with the catch-22 of 'you need experience to get experience') and equally as dismissive of apprenticeships (in my experience they just did a fast turnover to get cheap labour and preferred younger candidates).




        The problem is: My application is shit. I cannot show exactly what I did, because there's nothing I've finished.




        Gain experience by doing volunteering



        If there's a specific sector of work you want to get into, the easiest way to gain experience and overcome the hurdle of 'need experience to get experience' is to do volunteering in the charity sector in a job similar to the area you're interested in. For example, I did IT work for an animal rescue shelter.



        Although the work is unpaid, you'll be getting several things in return; experience to put on your CV, references, and even social contacts.



        Charities are less picky than corporations when it comes to applications, because of course, the work is free. Note that there is an uptick in volunteering so there might be some declinations, but persist.



        Once you gain sufficient experience, you can use volunteering as a foot in the door to get a paying job.




        How can I apply in the best way?




        Personalise your applciations



        Whether it's the cover letter or the CV. Learn about the company you want to apply for, and modify your CV to list only skills that are relevant to the job. Omission of data isn't dishonest, either - you're saving the interviewer important time by narrowing to only the facts they would be interested in.



        I got more interview offers with custom CVs and letters than I did with boilerplate sendouts.




        Does it sound bad if I tell the employer that in the last years I did nothing professionally but that I am ready to learn new things?




        Focus on the positives, or what you've learned



        You should just say you're eager to learn things. Avoid mentioning negatives about yourself. Regarding any 'failures', they're not failures - they're learning experiences. Focus on what you learned from it. If something went wrong, what did you learn from it? What will you do differently next time?




        And should I also go for "higher jobs"?




        Keep it realistic



        Your application might not be suitable for netting higher jobs - yet. You should aim for lateral job prospects, which means you start off in a job less relevant to your skills, but within the company, you demonstrate the skills for the job role you want.



        I was once offered a web development role after applying for a cleaning job (as I had hinted at having web dev skills), and in another role I was promoted from a temporary job role to fixed term because of my demonstrated IT skillsets (which were demo'd whilst working at the company).



        One way to do this is to show any interesting side projects that you've done at home in your free time to your manager if you feel they're might be receptive to it. Obviously, don't share anything you not okay with the company taking for themselves.




        And how can I overcome having low self confidence?




        It'll come with time



        You'll naturally start to overcome some of it when you see your work being valued by others, for example, at a charity or within an organisation. I think at the moment you're seeing all these false signals that make you think you're worthless (like 'agh, my CV has gaps in it!') but in truth everyone has been through an empty CV at some point, and you'll gain that confidence with time.



        Focus on small steps



        Break any problems down into the smallest unit possible, and then try to solve that problem. With small steps, eventually everything else will start to fall into place.



        And I wanted to add, for the record, you're not a loser, you're a human being like the rest of us. Don't feel like mistakes define you, everybody makes mistakes. The way to win is to learn at much as you can from them.






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        Although I'm not based in Germany, I experienced a similar situation where companies were particularly critical of applications (often with the catch-22 of 'you need experience to get experience') and equally as dismissive of apprenticeships (in my experience they just did a fast turnover to get cheap labour and preferred younger candidates).




        The problem is: My application is shit. I cannot show exactly what I did, because there's nothing I've finished.




        Gain experience by doing volunteering



        If there's a specific sector of work you want to get into, the easiest way to gain experience and overcome the hurdle of 'need experience to get experience' is to do volunteering in the charity sector in a job similar to the area you're interested in. For example, I did IT work for an animal rescue shelter.



        Although the work is unpaid, you'll be getting several things in return; experience to put on your CV, references, and even social contacts.



        Charities are less picky than corporations when it comes to applications, because of course, the work is free. Note that there is an uptick in volunteering so there might be some declinations, but persist.



        Once you gain sufficient experience, you can use volunteering as a foot in the door to get a paying job.




        How can I apply in the best way?




        Personalise your applciations



        Whether it's the cover letter or the CV. Learn about the company you want to apply for, and modify your CV to list only skills that are relevant to the job. Omission of data isn't dishonest, either - you're saving the interviewer important time by narrowing to only the facts they would be interested in.



        I got more interview offers with custom CVs and letters than I did with boilerplate sendouts.




        Does it sound bad if I tell the employer that in the last years I did nothing professionally but that I am ready to learn new things?




        Focus on the positives, or what you've learned



        You should just say you're eager to learn things. Avoid mentioning negatives about yourself. Regarding any 'failures', they're not failures - they're learning experiences. Focus on what you learned from it. If something went wrong, what did you learn from it? What will you do differently next time?




        And should I also go for "higher jobs"?




        Keep it realistic



        Your application might not be suitable for netting higher jobs - yet. You should aim for lateral job prospects, which means you start off in a job less relevant to your skills, but within the company, you demonstrate the skills for the job role you want.



        I was once offered a web development role after applying for a cleaning job (as I had hinted at having web dev skills), and in another role I was promoted from a temporary job role to fixed term because of my demonstrated IT skillsets (which were demo'd whilst working at the company).



        One way to do this is to show any interesting side projects that you've done at home in your free time to your manager if you feel they're might be receptive to it. Obviously, don't share anything you not okay with the company taking for themselves.




        And how can I overcome having low self confidence?




        It'll come with time



        You'll naturally start to overcome some of it when you see your work being valued by others, for example, at a charity or within an organisation. I think at the moment you're seeing all these false signals that make you think you're worthless (like 'agh, my CV has gaps in it!') but in truth everyone has been through an empty CV at some point, and you'll gain that confidence with time.



        Focus on small steps



        Break any problems down into the smallest unit possible, and then try to solve that problem. With small steps, eventually everything else will start to fall into place.



        And I wanted to add, for the record, you're not a loser, you're a human being like the rest of us. Don't feel like mistakes define you, everybody makes mistakes. The way to win is to learn at much as you can from them.







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