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There are some non-classical carbocations, such as the 2-norbornyl cation, in which the positive charge is heavily delocalised. Have non-classical carbanions also been discovered? I have not seen any non-classical carbanions in books. If there are any non-classical carbanions, please provide some examples.










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There are some non-classical carbocations, such as the 2-norbornyl cation, in which the positive charge is heavily delocalised. Have non-classical carbanions also been discovered? I have not seen any non-classical carbanions in books. If there are any non-classical carbanions, please provide some examples.










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There are some non-classical carbocations, such as the 2-norbornyl cation, in which the positive charge is heavily delocalised. Have non-classical carbanions also been discovered? I have not seen any non-classical carbanions in books. If there are any non-classical carbanions, please provide some examples.










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There are some non-classical carbocations, such as the 2-norbornyl cation, in which the positive charge is heavily delocalised. Have non-classical carbanions also been discovered? I have not seen any non-classical carbanions in books. If there are any non-classical carbanions, please provide some examples.







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In addition to the species mentioned in the answer above, I found another one in Organic Chemistry by Morrison and Boyd(Seventh Edition)enter image description here






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Interesting question. It is much less studied and reported on than the case of non-classical carbocations, but I did find a few papers. Brown and Occolowitz (Brown, J. M.; Occolowitz, J. L. Chem. Commun. 1965, 376–377) reported that deuterated bicyclo[3.2.1]octa-2,6-diene 1b, below, undergoes base-catalysed de-deuteration (potassium tert-butoxide in DMSO) to give 1a much faster (ca. 3 x 10^4) than the bicyclo[3.2.1]octa-2-ene counterpart, ie. 2b -> 2a. They suggested this is evidence for the intermediacy of a 6π-electron, delocalised (non-classical) carbanion 3.



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Much more recently, Brown reviewed and provided additional DFT computational evidence for stabilisation and charge delocalisation in these species (Brown, J. M. Aust. J. Chem. 2014, 67, 1296–1300).






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    Interesting question. It is much less studied and reported on than the case of non-classical carbocations, but I did find a few papers. Brown and Occolowitz (Brown, J. M.; Occolowitz, J. L. Chem. Commun. 1965, 376–377) reported that deuterated bicyclo[3.2.1]octa-2,6-diene 1b, below, undergoes base-catalysed de-deuteration (potassium tert-butoxide in DMSO) to give 1a much faster (ca. 3 x 10^4) than the bicyclo[3.2.1]octa-2-ene counterpart, ie. 2b -> 2a. They suggested this is evidence for the intermediacy of a 6π-electron, delocalised (non-classical) carbanion 3.



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    Much more recently, Brown reviewed and provided additional DFT computational evidence for stabilisation and charge delocalisation in these species (Brown, J. M. Aust. J. Chem. 2014, 67, 1296–1300).






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      Interesting question. It is much less studied and reported on than the case of non-classical carbocations, but I did find a few papers. Brown and Occolowitz (Brown, J. M.; Occolowitz, J. L. Chem. Commun. 1965, 376–377) reported that deuterated bicyclo[3.2.1]octa-2,6-diene 1b, below, undergoes base-catalysed de-deuteration (potassium tert-butoxide in DMSO) to give 1a much faster (ca. 3 x 10^4) than the bicyclo[3.2.1]octa-2-ene counterpart, ie. 2b -> 2a. They suggested this is evidence for the intermediacy of a 6π-electron, delocalised (non-classical) carbanion 3.



      enter image description here



      Much more recently, Brown reviewed and provided additional DFT computational evidence for stabilisation and charge delocalisation in these species (Brown, J. M. Aust. J. Chem. 2014, 67, 1296–1300).






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        Interesting question. It is much less studied and reported on than the case of non-classical carbocations, but I did find a few papers. Brown and Occolowitz (Brown, J. M.; Occolowitz, J. L. Chem. Commun. 1965, 376–377) reported that deuterated bicyclo[3.2.1]octa-2,6-diene 1b, below, undergoes base-catalysed de-deuteration (potassium tert-butoxide in DMSO) to give 1a much faster (ca. 3 x 10^4) than the bicyclo[3.2.1]octa-2-ene counterpart, ie. 2b -> 2a. They suggested this is evidence for the intermediacy of a 6π-electron, delocalised (non-classical) carbanion 3.



        enter image description here



        Much more recently, Brown reviewed and provided additional DFT computational evidence for stabilisation and charge delocalisation in these species (Brown, J. M. Aust. J. Chem. 2014, 67, 1296–1300).






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        Interesting question. It is much less studied and reported on than the case of non-classical carbocations, but I did find a few papers. Brown and Occolowitz (Brown, J. M.; Occolowitz, J. L. Chem. Commun. 1965, 376–377) reported that deuterated bicyclo[3.2.1]octa-2,6-diene 1b, below, undergoes base-catalysed de-deuteration (potassium tert-butoxide in DMSO) to give 1a much faster (ca. 3 x 10^4) than the bicyclo[3.2.1]octa-2-ene counterpart, ie. 2b -> 2a. They suggested this is evidence for the intermediacy of a 6π-electron, delocalised (non-classical) carbanion 3.



        enter image description here



        Much more recently, Brown reviewed and provided additional DFT computational evidence for stabilisation and charge delocalisation in these species (Brown, J. M. Aust. J. Chem. 2014, 67, 1296–1300).







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